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Twerkteam Pizza posted:Can we go back to talking about this internet cult that is based around the ideology of neo-fascism? You're new here so I can understand why you'd be confused, this is actually the anime and videogames thread, the thread titles are just chosen at random out of a big bucket 
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Merdifex posted:Does Levine ever have any interesting ideas? Or is he lovely at implementing them? Bioshock was loving excellent, and a brilliant point-by-point takedown of why Objectivism does not work. Ken Levine has made it clear in interviews that he did not intend Bioshock to be a takedown of Objectivism, and in fact has no idea why Bioshock was good, but that doesn't detract from Bioshock being really, really good.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:49
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DStecks posted:The central concept of Assassin's Creed, if you really want to get into it, is that all ideologies are secretly bullshit used by people in power to justify their power. Like, from their very inception, every single one of them. Which, really, is a Glibertarian take on history. It started out as outright Marxist, in the true sense of the word, when it was about the Assassins fighting for freedom from Templar world-domination; but eventually they decided that actually having good guys and bad guys was too political, so you get the Glibertarian ultra-cynicism of the latter games. It's the kind of bullshit moral equivocation that only the truly privileged can write. See also: Bioshock Infinite. Marxism very precisely is cynical in this sense; it's just that the actors who create ideology to justify their raw power aspirations are classes, rather than individuals.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:49
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DStecks posted:Bioshock was loving excellent, and a brilliant point-by-point takedown of why Objectivism does not work. Ken Levine has made it clear in interviews that he did not intend Bioshock to be a takedown of Objectivism, and in fact has no idea why Bioshock was good, but that doesn't detract from Bioshock being really, really good. Then who made it a critique of Objectivism, if not Levine?
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Oct 28, 2015 19:11
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Heresiarch posted:Want AC2 the one where the producer was a woman and GamerDom lost its poo poo, to the point of simultaneously accusing her of using her gender to sell games and drawing porn of her? It was prior to the release of the first one and it got Lowtax sued by Ubisoft
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Oct 28, 2015 19:19
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Samovar posted:Then who made it a critique of Objectivism, if not Levine? The players, obviously  Didn't we have a Death of the Author derail several pages back?
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Oct 28, 2015 19:20
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Merdifex posted:To keep things relevant, look at this poo poo: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=az7ZwW1bff8 You tried to trick me into watching half an hour of Yorick Aurini. Nobody deserves that.
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Oct 28, 2015 19:47
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Terrible Opinions posted:I'm talking about Ezio and da Vinci. I'm pretty sure you invented that
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Oct 28, 2015 19:49
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Reminder that AC2 opens with you climbing in a girls window for forbidden nookie and you hit a button to push her dress down
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Oct 28, 2015 19:50
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Oligopsony posted:Marxism very precisely is cynical in this sense; it's just that the actors who create ideology to justify their raw power aspirations are classes, rather than individuals. I think the subconscious nature of it is important though, you can analyze it as existing to protect privilege, but the people who subscribe to the naive soft-libertarianism of upper middle class white males aren't aware of it, and that's what gives it so much of its power icantfindaname has a new favorite as of 20:23 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Oct 28, 2015 20:14
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Samovar posted:Then who made it a critique of Objectivism, if not Levine? Artists are sometimes the worst interpreters of their own work. Anyway, here's an objectivist battling a racist http://www.skepticink.com/prussian/2014/09/26/reason-over-radish/
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Oct 28, 2015 22:07
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Literally The Worst posted:Reminder that AC2 opens with you climbing in a girls window for forbidden nookie and you hit a button to push her dress down You can like both. 
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Literally The Worst posted:I'm pretty sure you invented that I didn't make up the romantic gondola ride.
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Oct 28, 2015 22:25
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DStecks posted:You can like both. Two men can be close without being gay, even when one (or both) of them is a homosexual. 
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Oct 28, 2015 22:27
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Artists are sometimes the worst interpreters of their own work. Gentlemen, white gentlemen. You are both idiotic assholes without functional brains
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Oct 28, 2015 22:51
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icantfindaname posted:i want to play a django unchained game where you are encouraged to kill as many white people as possible
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Oct 28, 2015 23:04
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Yesterday, Scott posted a blogpost about middle class interclass divisions are shaped by social justice warrior purges. Then he deleted it. Unfortunately for him, this is the internet
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What does he think constitutes a purge? Does he think Stalin just went around writing mean letters to the editor or something?
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Oct 28, 2015 23:33
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Jack Gladney posted:What does he think constitutes a purge? Does he think Stalin just went around writing mean letters to the editor or something? Losing one's job, I suppose. Still not a good post. As he comes close to realizing at the end, the whole thing reeks of typical mind fallacy: I care about making other people think I'm smart, therefore that's what motivates everyone else. Silver2195 has a new favorite as of 00:16 on Oct 29, 2015 |
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Oct 29, 2015 00:12
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Silver2195 posted:Still not a good post. As he comes close to realizing at the end, the whole thing reeks of typical mind fallacy: I care about making other people think I'm smart, therefore that's what motivates everyone else. Isn't that every neo-reactionary/internet libertarian/dark enlightenment type though? "I'm a huge backstabbing prick, so obviously everyone else is."
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Oct 29, 2015 00:54
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Night10194 posted:It's a good theme to build around. I personally have my fingers crossed that the next Wolfenstein makes the subplot the main plot, honestly. Certainly most white Americans would have been perfectly comfortable to throw black Americans to the Nazis in order to protect their privilege. 
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Oct 29, 2015 01:01
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Yesterday, Scott posted a blogpost about middle class interclass divisions are shaped by social justice warrior purges. Then he deleted it. The answer is of course that the outgroup all have toxoplasmosis! How could it have been otherwise. Deleting it is particularly odd given how widely it had already been reblogged, on Tumblr, which is a platform for reblogging things. Perhaps he was just curating his blog.
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Oct 29, 2015 01:42
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divabot posted:The answer is of course that the outgroup all have toxoplasmosis! How could it have been otherwise. I'm not sure how Scott has this little self-awareness. Like, it's a sobering reminder of the frailty of human reasoning.
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Oct 29, 2015 02:42
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Klaus88 posted:The tea party sincerely reusing Bioshock Infinite's racist and xenophobic imagery will never not be funny, though. That alone justifies Infinite's existence.. The soundtrack justifies its existence. Hell, this one song justifies it.
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Oct 29, 2015 03:59
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Klaus88 posted:I personally have my fingers crossed that the next Wolfenstein makes the subplot the main plot, honestly. They still would, too.Sometimes I despair over whether an end to white racism is even possible. Racism is so central to the way whites understand and identify themselves that many of them would never give it up, no matter what. 
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Oct 29, 2015 06:33
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Woolie Wool posted:They still would, too.Sometimes I despair over whether an end to white racism is even possible. Racism is so central to the way whites understand and identify themselves that many of them would never give it up, no matter what. Okay, I know this is weird, but you can't fall into this depressed thinking. Even if it's only marginally, we've made strides in subduing racism since loving WW2. Yeah, there's still a lot of white racism both consciously and unconsciously, but we're moving (slowly) in the best direction as a people. Like, when I went to a protest against Israeli's Apartheid on Palestinians, there were like 60 (of roughly 350) people who weren't palestinian or jewish there! Also if you need some more good vibes send me a PM. 
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Don't worry dude, Cthulhu always swims left.
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I don't think we'll ever completely abolish subconscious grouping of people into "soft" outgrip and in-group status based on superficial differences. Brains are lazy. Or even: the main thing they do is put stuff into boxes. The only way out of this is highly intrusive. Twerkteam Pizza posted:Like, when I went to a protest against Israeli's Apartheid on Palestinians, there were like 60 (of roughly 350) people who weren't palestinian or jewish there!
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Oct 29, 2015 13:11
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:You tried to trick me into watching half an hour of Yorick Aurini. Nobody deserves that. Edit: Ah fucks sake, hes already done "parody" videos where he acts out C&C cutscenes. Plus there is this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0L_KiP9GPY Gorn Myson has a new favorite as of 13:18 on Oct 29, 2015 |
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Gorn Myson posted:If I had any talent with video software, I would go back and start editing clips of Aurini directly into old Command and Conquer cutscenes. That would be the only time he would be even remotely bearable to watch.
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Twerkteam Pizza posted:Okay, I know this is weird, but you can't fall into this depressed thinking. Even if it's only marginally, we've made strides in subduing racism since loving WW2. Yeah, there's still a lot of white racism both consciously and unconsciously, but we're moving (slowly) in the best direction as a people. There was an interesting thread about Hitler a while ago put up by a grad student who was pretty much studying hitlerology or something. Anyway someone in the thread asked him if he thought it was worrying that a lot of politicians and public figures and Fox News or whatever say a lot of hate speech these days and if we hadn't really advanced as a society since Hitler's time. He pointed out that the sheer fact that we have a concept of what hate speech is puts us light years ahead of even the Allies back then, and that so many people recognize it as such and condemn it is something that probably would never happen in the 40's and definitely shows we're "getting there" as a society.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:There was an interesting thread about Hitler a while ago put up by a grad student who was pretty much studying hitlerology or something. Anyway someone in the thread asked him if he thought it was worrying that a lot of politicians and public figures and Fox News or whatever say a lot of hate speech these days and if we hadn't really advanced as a society since Hitler's time. He pointed out that the sheer fact that we have a concept of what hate speech is puts us light years ahead of even the Allies back then, and that so many people recognize it as such and condemn it is something that probably would never happen in the 40's and definitely shows we're "getting there" as a society. That sounds really interesting and I want to read it. Also, "Hitlerology" is an inherently funny word.
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Woolie Wool posted:That sounds really interesting and I want to read it. It's probably in the archives but I don't have access or remember exactly what it was called, sorry  Something like "Ask Me About Hitler" maybe? I can't remember if it was in Ask/Tell or D&D...
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coyo7e posted:Did you at any point not assume he has a Kane costume in his closet so he can quickly and efficiently get ready for cons? Did I think he'd deliberately dress as Kane multiple times? No. Did I think he just so happened to have clothing that, when worn together, makes him look like he's stealing Kane's style? Certainly. Stealth edit: Now that I think about it, it should have been obvious that he would.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:It's probably in the archives but I don't have access or remember exactly what it was called, sorry It also reminds me of a conversation I had with someone yesterday where we discussed how even the Allies during WWII operated on a mindset that is borderline incomprehensible to people today. Like probably everyone has heard of how rapidly military R&D happened in WWII and how the P-51 Mustang was developed in four months and blah blah blah, and they basically developed those planes by building a crude prototype, and when the pilot crashed it and died, they make some refinements so hopefully the next test pilot wouldn't die, and then the next test pilot dies, repeat. OK, that's probably an oversimplification but they pretty much did not care about safety or if their new weapon malfunctioned or killed one or a few or a few dozen of its users. Those were just acceptable losses (and of course people killed on the business ends of the weapons didn't count at all). This sort of thinking is inconceivable today. E: but the chief thing that sustains racism is not policies of any kind but the very idea of "white people". "White people" are the artificial construct that generates all the other parts of racism, and you can ameliorate it by attacking the end products, but you can't get rid of it unless you attack the underlying structure, and it is incredibly resistant to attack as it's firmly embedded in the self-image and self-esteem of nearly every person of European descent. Woolie Wool has a new favorite as of 15:53 on Oct 29, 2015 |
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Woolie Wool posted:E: but the chief thing that sustains racism is not policies of any kind but the very idea of "white people". "White people" are the artificial construct that generates all the other parts of racism, and you can ameliorate it by attacking the end products, but you can't get rid of it unless you attack the underlying structure, and it is incredibly resistant to attack as it's firmly embedded in the self-image and self-esteem of nearly every person of European descent.
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An end to notions of race or whiteness alone wouldn't do much more than redefine who is the oppressed and who is the oppressor.
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Woolie Wool posted:it's firmly embedded in the self-image and self-esteem of nearly every person of European descent. You can be European without being part of the group called "white". It's called being a Latino. Or travel back in time a few decades and it's called being Jewish. A bit further, being Irish. Ideas of who and what constitutes a race of people fluctuate fast. Racism isn't some indestructable problem of human nature, it's a part of our culture, and a recent one at that.
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DStecks posted:You can be European without being part of the group called "white". It's called being a Latino. Or travel back in time a few decades and it's called being Jewish. A bit further, being Irish. Ideas of who and what constitutes a race of people fluctuate fast. Racism isn't some indestructable problem of human nature, it's a part of our culture, and a recent one at that. In all of those examples though it was "white people" vs. "not white people", while who constitutes white people has changed over the years the existence of and perceived superiority of a group called "white people" has been pretty constant for a long time. I mean calling it "white people" implies it's entirely based on skin color when that's not really the case historically (but pretty much is now) but there has definitely been a coherent "in-group" for at least a few hundred years now, regardless of changes in membership.
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Cingulate posted:I don't think we'll ever completely abolish subconscious grouping of people into "soft" outgrip and in-group status based on superficial differences. Brains are lazy. Or even: the main thing they do is put stuff into boxes. Columbus
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