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Al Borland posted:Amen! Bash rats have a good time. and skipping the loot grind allows one to do that faster and easier
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Al Borland posted:I don't have a mouse button like that:( I just have it bound to middle mouse click, works out fine for me. Also loot chat remains dumb. If you want to grind the same map over and over to exploit for new gear, so be it. If you want to have fun and go actually play the game, that is cool too. I guess everyone has their own idea of fun, even if I can't comprehend them. Personally, "look at this cool weapon I got by cheating" is a lot more hollow than "look at this cool weapon I got by slogging through the fur and blood", even if it is random drops. But that is just me v  v
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WoodrowSkillson posted:enlighten me Blue and green weapons are completely unneeded for hard and only barely needed for nightmare. I was running hard as a witch hunter that only had white weapons and as an empire soldier who had a white hammer and green blunderbuss last weekend and did fine in both cases. In 95‰ of cases, if your group wiped in whites they would still wipe in blues and oranges. I refuse to do black powder because I remember launch Payday 2 and everyone including myself making GBS threads themselves grinding the jewelry store heist mission because that's where loot lived. That poo poo burned me out and ruined the game for me. DeathSandwich fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Oct 29, 2015 |
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Oct 29, 2015 14:39
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Fanzay posted:noo don't break my heart I guess this attitude is pretty common, which would explain why I occasionally get randomly kicked 10 seconds after joining a game. Pubbies are literal trash.
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Oct 29, 2015 14:41
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DeathSandwich posted:jewelry store heist mission Oh god don't remind me. The worst part isn't even that it gave you that much loot, it was just fast if you stealthed it and got away clean. Which at first NO ONE could do properly in pub groups, but eventually it got to be such a farm that you would run one fun map and the host would go "okay guys jewelry store next right? Right"  E. Also elf is a great ratblender but long range sniping specials with her is retarded because her arrows aren't hitscan like the guns are.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Personally, "look at this cool weapon I got by cheating" is a lot more hollow than "look at this cool weapon I got by slogging through the fur and blood", even if it is random drops. But that is just me v and considering i still have not even had time to go run the exploit even once, im probably never even going to do it. I also have no intention of only ever doing it. My goal is maybe run it a few times tonight after work and be able to have some blues so i can jump to the harder difficulties easily and then enjoy the game there instead of going through the laborious process of fusing whites to get a chance at something ok. There will be plenty of time to go "oh man look at this cool orange i got while playing the game on the highest difficulty"
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Oct 29, 2015 14:42
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A blue Witch Hunter's brace of pistols will two-shot clan rats with body shots on Cataclysm, headshots are an instakill. Hoping the orange brace can one-shot normal rats with a body shot. Also, 40% spread reduction turns pistol brace into a rapid fire sniper's tool. Re: bugsploiting. Trinkets make a big difference at harder difficulties, in particular stuff like "take almost no damage from globadiers" and "share healing items with party". Since the rats are so unforgiving, every little bit helps quite a lot. Also, it's not particularly fun to need a dozen slashes to kill a single normal rat either (white weapons).
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SealHammer posted:I guess this attitude is pretty common, which would explain why I occasionally get randomly kicked 10 seconds after joining a game. Pubbies are literal trash. I mean, it's been a thing in most fantasy multiplayer games that the elf race and archer/hunter class is generally an idiot magnet. I don't know what it is about both of those things that attracts idiots but it is what it is.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:and considering i still have not even had time to go run the exploit even once, im probably never even going to do it. I also have no intention of only ever doing it. My goal is maybe run it a few times tonight after work and be able to have some blues so i can jump to the harder difficulties easily and then enjoy the game there instead of going through the laborious process of fusing whites to get a chance at something ok. There will be plenty of time to go "oh man look at this cool orange i got while playing the game on the highest difficulty" Why the desire to charge headlong into Cataclysm? That difficulty is the "you have broken nightmare over your knee and now can't get it up anymore" expert mode, and really the only difficulty where gear is strictly necessary
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SealHammer posted:I guess this attitude is pretty common, which would explain why I occasionally get randomly kicked 10 seconds after joining a game. Pubbies are literal trash. 
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Why the desire to charge headlong into Cataclysm? That difficulty is the "you have broken nightmare over your knee and now can't get it up anymore" expert mode, and really the only difficulty where gear is strictly necessary if the gear is unnecessary, it should not be in the game then, and in fact, it would be better without it since it creates this exact situation
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Fanzay posted:This is not an emptyquote I swear Glad to see my pointless Photoshop is being put to use hating those fuckin' Elf bastards.
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Oct 29, 2015 14:49
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WoodrowSkillson posted:enlighten me You have a broken brain and you're ugly. HTH.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:if the gear is unnecessary, it should not be in the game then, and in fact, it would be better without it since it creates this exact situation Because the loot is the reason you come back to the game. It's the skinner box that keeps people playing. It's strictly unnecessary mechanically but also gives you a neat way to differentiate yourself from others (your hammer has extra guard and mighty shoves? That's cool, mine heals on hit and feeds me ammo!). Granted I'm not real jazzed about the semi random loot drops (I say semi random because they tend to be weighted toward the character you are playing) due to my previously mentioned Payday 2 grinding allergy, but you know what I do instead of breaking the developers core gameplay loop exploiting a bug? I play the game. It's actually kind of fun, you should try it sometime. If goons give you poo poo about hobo gear then that's a bad goon you shouldn't play with.
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DeathSandwich posted:Because the loot is the reason you come back to the game. It's the skinner box that keeps people playing. It's strictly unnecessary mechanically but also gives you a neat way to differentiate yourself from others (your hammer has extra guard and mighty shoves? That's cool, mine heals on hit and feeds me ammo!). People still play l4d2, constantly. There is 0 inherent reason this game need loot to be viable. None.
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I feel this problem with black powder is distracting else from the real issue at hand, which is gently caress the elf.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:People still play l4d2, constantly. There is 0 inherent reason this game need loot to be viable. None. It's a fun, unusual mechanic that helps set it apart from the game it's based upon? Just because you're overestimating the importance of the loot doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the game. It just means you should calm down about loot.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:gently caress the elf. no thanks
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Kamikaze Raider posted:It's a fun, unusual mechanic that helps set it apart from the game it's based upon? Just because you're overestimating the importance of the loot doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the game. It just means you should calm down about loot. im quite calm, my original response that started this was responding to the person who was getting real mad about his friend doing it since cheaters are scum which is lol
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People are stupid and don't realize you can have even more fun using Field of Glory rulesets and historical 1/72 scale figures, or even just use old editions of Warhams and use these non-games workshop figures: http://www.hobbylinc.com/1:72-scale-plastic-model-fantasy-figures 44 dwarven figures that don't fall apart on use for $15? Hell yeah sign me up. Compare that to Games Workshop's $35 for 16 figures, that while more detailed fall apart frequently through use, and due to the new "high quality" resins they use also have giant gaping pock-marked bubble cavities throughout the surface.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:People still play l4d2, constantly. There is 0 inherent reason this game need loot to be viable. None. People still play tf2 constantly and the transition to free to play and the loot grinds were seen as a big shot in the arm for them too. If your logic is "I'm going to exploit the gently caress out of this mechanic that is also BAD AND IT SHOULDN'T BE IN THE GAME" then I agree with the poster who said your brain is broken. It's a bug, it will be fixed. I wonder if the devs will go to the length of actually punishing exploiters and /or rewarding people that didn't exploit like what tf2 did when they first started introducing hat grinds that were cheat-engine-able
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CountingWizard posted:People are stupid and don't realize you can have even more fun using Field of Glory rulesets and historical 1/72 scale figures, or even just use old editions of Warhams and use these non-games workshop figures: http://www.hobbylinc.com/1:72-scale-plastic-model-fantasy-figures The orcs on this page are straight outta early MTG.
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Trier posted:I wanna play the game for real NOW, I was wondering why people were complaining about Black Powder, I've been missing out on the fun because of this guy. My e-honor 
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DeathSandwich posted:
Loot grind = bad, less loot grind = good. i am really missing the lack of logic here. I think the loot system is unneeded and dumb, so getting to skip some of it sounds really appealing to me, since then i can go back to just playing the game to play the game and not chasing a weapon i want, or being annoying that only one character has a good set of weapons but my friend wants to play that one and im stuck with all whites again
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Drythe posted:My e-honor exactly lol
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can't loving wait for fotshork to shart out the fix to the exploit so unfunny goons (especially me) will shut the gently caress up about my e-honor or my loot/hour so we can go back to the proper discussion aka does the pubby make the elf bad, or is the elf responsible for the worst pubbie
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Yeah the never ending bitching about elves is what this thread should really be about! 
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never ending bitching about games workshop is also acceptible 
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Oct 29, 2015 15:18
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In the Wizard's Tower, is the big open room in the middle of the map randomized, or does it correspond to the character you pick? It seems like it might be the latter but I've only gone through a few times.
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You guys are so weird, like given half the chance with the elf you all totally would Push her down some stairs
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PantsOptional posted:In the Wizard's Tower, is the big open room in the middle of the map randomized, or does it correspond to the character you pick? It seems like it might be the latter but I've only gone through a few times. Every character sees something different. Elf sees a forest, wizard a town on fire, Kruber a castle courtyard, etc.
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PantsOptional posted:In the Wizard's Tower, is the big open room in the middle of the map randomized, or does it correspond to the character you pick? It seems like it might be the latter but I've only gone through a few times. Every member of the group sees the same illusion, which is based on the first person in the group to enter the area. The ones I've seen... Kruber first: a pastoral setting Saltzpyre first: the hall of his order (or at least some castle setting) Sienna: a fire blasted hellscape.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:im quite calm, my original response that started this was responding to the person who was getting real mad about his friend doing it since cheaters are scum which is lol If your friend is exploiting when you don't want them to when you're in the same game that is pretty lovely. Like, you want to kill rats and he is like "Nah dude, there won't be any rats if I stand here, you just carry barrels".
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Nah its always unique to each character, you don't have to be the first person in. Basically every character sees their "happy place".
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El Cid posted:If your friend is exploiting when you don't want them to when you're in the same game that is pretty lovely. Like, you want to kill rats and he is like "Nah dude, there won't be any rats if I stand here, you just carry barrels". hmm which side should i give the benefit of the doubt to, the one doing a shortcut, or the one who mentioned honor in regards to video games...
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Nah its always unique to each character, you don't have to be the first person in. Basically every character sees their "happy place". It must be bugged then because I've definitely experienced mismatches (like being Kruber and seeing the whole world on fire). e: Actually I'm pretty sure you're wrong anyway because the different illusions are not the same geographically. It wouldn't work. People would be walking on air or into invisible walls from other player's perspectives.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:hmm which side should i give the benefit of the doubt to, the one doing a shortcut, or the one who mentioned honor in regards to video games... It is a subject near and dear to my heart. My roommate asked if I wanted to play Vermintide last night and after one map was like "Want to go exploit Cata BP?" and I was like "Nah, let's just play through some stuff on hard." "Alright, well I'm going to go do Cata BP runs for a few hours, peace." Lame, roommate. Lame.
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Chomp8645 posted:Every member of the group sees the same illusion, which is based on the first person in the group to enter the area. The ones I've seen... Where are you getting that from? Everyone gets his own illusion, it doesn't matter who goes in first.
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it's great to see people complaining so much about the elves when the fact of the matter is that a bad bright wizard will torch your rear end sky high 
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DreamShipWrecked posted:You guys are so weird, like given half the chance with the elf you all totally would rear end in a top hat Tony's long lost Pubbie sister.
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