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Mike the TV posted:It's hard for me to believe that people still blame Nader for Gore not becoming president in 2000 despite it not being true even a little bit, but I guess the media narrative at the time was popular among defeatist liberals. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's absolutely true that if Nader had not run then Gore certainly would have been president. Nader is not the sole reason that Gore lost, but he definitely made it easier for Bush to win.
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Oct 29, 2015 18:37
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Kaal posted:Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's absolutely true that if Nader had not run then Gore certainly would have been president. Nader is not the sole reason that Gore lost, but he definitely made it easier for Bush to win. Also true of Dr. John Hagelin, who ran on a platform of replacing the DoD with a thousand levitating yogis which would create a positive vibe missile defense shield around the US.
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Oct 29, 2015 18:39
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paranoid randroid posted:look, do you wanna be the guy who made Lincoln Chafee cry? Yes, yes I do.
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Oct 29, 2015 18:45
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Weird to refer to O'Malley as a real candidate. He'd be a pretty serious candidate if, you know, Clinton and (nonrunning) Biden didn't exist. His timing just sucks - ain't a lot of room for "semi-boring establishment Democrat" this election.
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Oct 29, 2015 18:45
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CommieGIR posted:He'll take up chronic lifting and bro'ing. Yeah, but he still won't take up leg days. 
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Oct 29, 2015 18:46
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If that's not a "gently caress you bitches, your roof, your hole," I don't know what is.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Yeah, but he still won't take up leg days. If he focuses on upper body strength and neglects his legs that man will become a Jenga tower waiting to happen.
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RevKrule posted:If that's not a "gently caress you bitches, your roof, your hole," I don't know what is. It's a joke about how he cries all the time
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Oct 29, 2015 18:47
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Joementum posted:Also true of Dr. John Hagelin, who ran on a platform of replacing the DoD with a thousand levitating yogis which would create a positive vibe missile defense shield around the US. Nader voters are so cute when they get called out for giving us Bush the 2nd.
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Oct 29, 2015 18:47
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Joementum posted:Also true of Dr. John Hagelin, who ran on a platform of replacing the DoD with a thousand levitating yogis which would create a positive vibe missile defense shield around the US. In the final results, Bush beat Gore by 537 votes. So yes, Hagelin's 2281 votes could have also made the difference. However, Nader was the only one making the news (which is critical to pulling off potential Gore supporters).
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Oct 29, 2015 18:48
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JonathonSpectre posted:I still can't believe the poo poo I saw last night. We are in a lot of trouble if any of these people make it into the White House, not just because of their troglodyte fantasy ideas but because of what it says about the electorate in our country. If a majority of people can't see right through stupid poo poo like, "Well, I think 10% is enough for GOD so it should be enough for MAMMON!" or "WEED is the biggest scourge in our country!" then maybe we really do deserve to burn.  This will never grow old or fail to sum everything up.
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Oct 29, 2015 18:48
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Joementum posted:Who run the world? Ryan is closer to the Presidency than Romney will ever get. Must sting just a little. 
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Oct 29, 2015 18:49
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Joementum posted:Also true of Dr. John Hagelin, who ran on a platform of replacing the DoD with a thousand levitating yogis which would create a positive vibe missile defense shield around the US. I mean sure if 2,000 votes is equivalent to 90,000 votes and a national campaign slamming Gore and the Democratic Party. Which is why Hagelin disbanded his third party in 2004 rather than spoil the election again. Third parties are incompatible with the American election system, and Nader (and Green Party progressives generally) should have known better. The 2000 election results absolutely fall on Nader's shoulders, because he stabbed progressives in the back with his vanity campaign. Kaal fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Oct 29, 2015 |
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Oct 29, 2015 18:49
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A Winner is Jew posted:Yeah, but he still won't take up leg days. Hey, girl. 
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Oct 29, 2015 18:50
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Mike the TV posted:It's hard for me to believe that people still blame Nader for Gore not becoming president in 2000 despite it not being true even a little bit, but I guess the media narrative at the time was popular among defeatist liberals. Do you have any insights into how Bill Clinton caused the housing bubble collapse?  Ok buddy. It's alright to admit if you voted for Nader. Unless you live in Florida, in which case you should take that secret shame to your grave.I voted for Bush in 2000, but it was in state that wasn't going to get stolen (PA).
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Oct 29, 2015 18:53
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Evil Fluffy posted:
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Joementum posted:Also true of Dr. John Hagelin, who ran on a platform of replacing the DoD with a thousand levitating yogis which would create a positive vibe missile defense shield around the US. Wait, would that work?
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Oct 29, 2015 18:55
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Nader did not hand the presidency to Bush, Gore running a losing campaign did.
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Oct 29, 2015 18:56
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Nader did not hand the presidency to Bush, Gore running a losing campaign did. Want to remind me what was lose-y about it?
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Oct 29, 2015 18:57
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Nader did not hand the presidency to Bush, Gore running a losing campaign did. And Jeb's voter purge and the SCOTUS.
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Oct 29, 2015 18:58
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Want to remind me what was lose-y about it? He didn't bribe the supreme court.
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Oct 29, 2015 18:58
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GreyjoyBastard posted:He'd be a pretty serious candidate if, you know, Clinton and (nonrunning) Biden didn't exist. His timing just sucks - ain't a lot of room for "semi-boring establishment Democrat" this election. Unfortunately I think The Wire sank him before he began.
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Oct 29, 2015 18:58
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Nader did not hand the presidency to Bush, Gore running a losing campaign did. It's hard to run a winning campaign when your nominal allies are constantly slamming you and stealing your votes. Sure Gore could have run a better campaign, but it's insane to ignore that Nader stole nearly 3 million sure-fire Democratic votes from him, just to see his name on the ticket.
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Oct 29, 2015 18:59
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There are many reasons why Gore lost. But none of them change the fact that if Nader was not in the race Gore would have won: Nader is one of many but-for causes of Bush II.
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Oct 29, 2015 18:59
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Kaal posted:I mean sure if 2,000 votes is equivalent to 90,000 votes and a national campaign slamming Gore and the Democratic Party. Which is why Hagelin disbanded his third party in 2004 rather than spoil the election again. Third parties are incompatible with the American election system, and Nader (and Green Party progressives generally) should have known better. The 2000 election results absolutely fall on Nader's shoulders, because he stabbed progressives in the back with his vanity campaign. This just in- running a progressive campaign is "stabbing progressives in the back." Someone get Hillary's PR team on the phone! Evil Fluffy posted:
I was 18 in during the 2000 election and voted for George W. Bush while living in Illinois.
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Oct 29, 2015 18:59
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Want to remind me what was lose-y about it? The big one is losing his own drat home state but he also lost states that Clinton had won by multiple percentage points previously. Hell Arkansas went red and that should have been an easy blue pickup if he hadn't decided that sidelining Clinton for the campaign was the thing to do.
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Oct 29, 2015 19:00
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Fuckin' Pat Buchanan has more of a claim (and has himself supported the claim) to stealing the election from Gore than Nader.
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Oct 29, 2015 19:01
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GreyjoyBastard posted:He'd be a pretty serious candidate if, you know, Clinton and (nonrunning) Biden didn't exist. His timing just sucks - ain't a lot of room for "semi-boring establishment Democrat" this election. Nah, Sanders is what made him barely relevant. His whole plan was to be the "leftist" guy this cycle, and then Sanders kinda took that role for himself in a more credible manner. See ya in 2020, O'Malley!
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Oct 29, 2015 19:05
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I'm pretty sure my bicep is bigger than Ryan's leg.
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Oct 29, 2015 19:11
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Sharkie posted:i think i have pinkeye. gently caress gently caress gently caress Well since you misread this as the chat thread I think the diagnosis is confirmed.
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Oct 29, 2015 19:13
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Sharkie posted:i think i have pinkeye. gently caress gently caress gently caress Have you now or ever been a member of the communist ophthalmology party?
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Oct 29, 2015 19:14
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Want to remind me what was lose-y about it? 
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Gravel Gravy posted:Have you now or ever been a member of the communist ophthalmology party? Are they self-certified?
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Oct 29, 2015 19:18
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So anyone have any idea on who Rubio's VP pick is going to be?
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Oct 29, 2015 19:18
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TyroneGoldstein posted:So anyone have any idea on who Rubio's VP pick is going to be? Me, former Mets pitcher Bobby Ojeda you heard it here first
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Oct 29, 2015 19:19
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I'm gonna miss him. Even if he was an rear end in a top hat at least he had a heart and a brain capable of feeling human emotion. The House has only anger and rhetoric left.
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Oct 29, 2015 19:20
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DemeaninDemon posted:I'm pretty sure my bicep is bigger than Ryan's leg.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Nah, Sanders is what made him barely relevant. His whole plan was to be the "leftist" guy this cycle, and then Sanders kinda took that role for himself in a more credible manner. I really don't think O'Malley would've caught on even without Bernie in the race. He's very meh.
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