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Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


Morglon posted:

Or pick up a fleet core that has amp already, the Iconian four piece is a clicky.
It's a pretty decent clicky to be fair, but definitely not good enough fpr a new player to bother spending 75-100+k dilithium gambling on a reputation core quality upgrade, especially when they have more important things to buy first (like, the rep gear itself). The fleet ones are cheap and get you there right away.

Morglon posted:

The rep store will also have weapons with the mods you need and pretty much in every energy type but getting stuff from there gets sort of dil expensive and they come with a secondary proc instead of one of the modifiers which may or may not be good. Also it's worth noting that buying fleet consoles at the lowest possible tier and upgrading from there will be cheaper than buying top tier. Not by a lot but cheaper is cheaper, especially when you don't have a ton of fleet cred.
More recent specialty weapons trade the existing procs for a new one so they get the usual mod assortment. The main issue is the ones available in the store only have at most two of the same mod, although Crtd x2 + Dmg is fine enough really. Also they have the same issue of costing a boatload to gamble for quality upgrades later, and well, most of the new procs from rep weapons just aren't that... good.
See, I knew someone would enable my laziness. :effort:

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MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Morglon posted:

Or pick up a fleet core that has amp already, the Iconian four piece is a clicky.

So you reckon go for the Iconian 3pc with the other three and throw a Fleet Core in there instead?

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
I'd use Iconian 4 piece - especially the core because it's fantastic. If you upgrade it to UR (expensive) then you can get AMP on it too.

Sure the 4 piece bonus is a clicky power. It's a pretty nice one though and you can just dump it into your space bar macro if you're really lazy.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




DancingShade posted:

It's a pretty nice one though and you can just dump it into your space bar macro if you're really lazy.

When I'm in story missions my spacebar macro is 23 items long. And that's not counting fire weapons and balance shields.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


You reeeeaaalllly shouldn't have fire weapons or rebalance shields in a spacebar macro. It's kind of handy on the surface but spamming them fucks with weapon cycles and ability activations, respectively.

If nothing else take rebalance shields off and put it onto some convenient key or mouse button. You'll probably notice a difference in ability use immediately. Fire weapons matters less and it's useful enough to be worth it but you still want to be careful if you have a long cooldown torpedo or something.

Coq au Nandos
Nov 7, 2006

I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.
Well poo poo, I really enjoyed the final two Iconian War missions. Well played Cryptic.

Aleth
Aug 2, 2008

Pillbug
Sela was right.

BombermanX
Jan 13, 2011

I'm afraid of other people's opinions when they differ from my own. Please do not hurt my feelings.
Any word on Adventure Cat's DA account?

bubbles depo
Jul 25, 2006

doot doot!

BombermanX posted:

Any word on Adventure Cat's DA account?

http://adventure-cat.deviantart.com/art/Christians-will-never-bow-to-this-world-568480207

Still going, still pasting long rants full of batshit insanity.

quote:

Transvestism, as it used to be called, is not new. By the way, it is an abomination. That abomination is the exact same word used in Leviticus 18 to refer to homosexuality.

Think he's still a little bitter? I think he's still bitter.

Morglon
Jan 13, 2010

Safe and sound, detached from reality.
Just like your posting.
One could make the argument that it also applies to being a furry since you are in a sense presenting outwards as something you are not. Someone go tell him that, see how much it fucks with his brain.

fakemirage
Nov 6, 2012

Can't see the haters.

bubbles depo posted:

Think he's still a little bitter? I think he's still bitter.
He didn't actually write it, it's from this website. I have to wonder if anything on his DA account is his own.

g0del
Jan 9, 2001



Fun Shoe

Asimo posted:

<snip>although Crtd x2 + Dmg</snip>
Since this might seem confusing to returning players (depending on when they stopped playing) - DMG is good now. Really good. ACC isn't good anymore. CrtH is ok, but there are generally better ways to increase you crit chance now. CrtD is good. Of the crafting only mods, PEN is the only one worth anything (and it's worth a lot). Perfect weapons will look like [CrtD]x3 [PEN] at ultra-rare, and [DMG]x3 [PEN] weapons will only be a few percentage points lower in damage. A mix of [CrtD] and [DMG] will fall somewhere in between.

Because of this, and because pubbies crave perfect weapons, you can exploit knowledge of how crafters try to get perfect weapons to buy almost perfect weapons for fairly low prices.

As Asimo was saying, crafters will make hundreds of Mk II weapons of their chosen variety (usually antiproton for extra DPS) hoping for a perfect [CrtD]x2 [PEN] or [DMG]x2 [PEN].* They then use an experimental tech upgrade with an accelerator which doubles the rarity upgrade chance, because using a superior upgrade on a Mk II gives you multiple upgrades - all the way to Mk VII or VIII. Since the upgrade chance stays the same until the upgrade is used up, that gives multiple chances to upgrade the rarity.

Crafters are hoping that the UR upgrade will pick up a matching CrtD or DMG mod to make a perfect weapon. A perfect [CrtD]x3 [PEN] or [DMG]x3 [PEN] can go for 40m or more. An almost perfect [CrtD]x2[DMG][PEN] or [CrtD][DMG]x2[PEN] weapon will often be 10 times cheaper for less than 1% loss of DPS. The secret is that crafters don't upgrade the non-perfect weapons any more, they just dump them on the exchange at Mk VII. So search the exchange for Mk VII UR weapons with almost perfect mods, upgrade them to Mk XIV, and you've got yourself a set of weapons that will take you through any content in the game.

Oh, and make sure they're beams. DHCs are another trap for returning players. Even on escorts beams are better now.




*There are rare situations involving tactical captains with specific gear where DMG is actually better than CrtD. Of course pubbies believe that it applies to them.

Morglon
Jan 13, 2010

Safe and sound, detached from reality.
Just like your posting.
If you have a zippy ship you can also go dual beam banks omnidirectionals but just packing regular beam banks is great too and should really be the default since it makes better use of a bunch of the traits you pick up and gives you better overall dps while sacrificing some of your alpha. But if you really want to play something more like escorts used to be there's the option to do so.

Cyntalan
Jun 28, 2011

g0del posted:

Oh, and make sure they're beams. DHCs are another trap for returning players. Even on escorts beams are better now.

Ah hell, really? Just arrays or are even banks+arrays/omnis better now?

Technical Analysis
Nov 21, 2007

I got 99 problems but the British ain't one.
Banks + omnis or arrays are the way to go. In fact thanks to mission rewards and crafting, you can get two tetryon omnis these days if you want to use blue over anti protons red.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
This pubbie is really mad because he's dumb

[Zone #28] Jordan@Lt.Expendable: I opened 600 boxes that all gave WORTHLESS CRAP that's why I'm quitting
[Zone #28] Jordan@Lt.Expendable: go ahead and report me. I don't care. give trendy something to do with her fat fingers. too bad that car crash didn't get rid of her.
[Zone #28] Jordan@Lt.Expendable: I hope borticus, tacofangs, and alll the other sons of bitches who run this crapfest die
[Zone #28] Jordan@Lt.Expendable: I hope they all suffer. They are worthless bastards. scum.
[Zone#28] Jordan@Lt.Expendable: Do you think that fat bitch Trendy will go on a date with you if you insult me? Are you that desperate? I think she's too busy loving her dog.

g0del
Jan 9, 2001



Fun Shoe
^^ 600 keys is about 2.4B ec. Enough to buy 2 of each iconian ship with ec leftover. This is why you don't open boxes for the ship prizes.

Cyntalan posted:

Ah hell, really? Just arrays or are even banks+arrays/omnis better now?
Just anything beams. Most people pick either DBBs in front with omnis in back, or all beam arrays. The DBB/omni thing works great with ships with 3 rear weapons, because you can use mission rewards and crafting to get 2 antiproton or 2 teryon omnis, then add the cutting beam for the 3rd. Other damage types are currently out of luck.

Anita Dickinme
Jan 24, 2013


Grimey Drawer

hakimashou posted:

This pubbie is really mad because he's dumb

[Zone #28] Jordan@Lt.Expendable: I opened 600 boxes that all gave WORTHLESS CRAP that's why I'm quitting
[Zone #28] Jordan@Lt.Expendable: go ahead and report me. I don't care. give trendy something to do with her fat fingers. too bad that car crash didn't get rid of her.
[Zone #28] Jordan@Lt.Expendable: I hope borticus, tacofangs, and alll the other sons of bitches who run this crapfest die
[Zone #28] Jordan@Lt.Expendable: I hope they all suffer. They are worthless bastards. scum.
[Zone#28] Jordan@Lt.Expendable: Do you think that fat bitch Trendy will go on a date with you if you insult me? Are you that desperate? I think she's too busy loving her dog.

This still happens. :allears:

Mondian
Apr 24, 2007

g0del posted:

Just anything beams. Most people pick either DBBs in front with omnis in back, or all beam arrays. The DBB/omni thing works great with ships with 3 rear weapons, because you can use mission rewards and crafting to get 2 antiproton or 2 teryon omnis, then add the cutting beam for the 3rd. Other damage types are currently out of luck.

There was something about how dbbs are only ideal on ships with 5 fore slots. I forget the specifics, but maybe someone else can chime in.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
:siren::siren::siren::siren::siren: ALERT :cumpolice::siren: ALERT :siren::siren::siren::siren::siren:


XEAN IS NOT BANNED! HE HAS LOGGED INTO STO!

hakimashou fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Oct 30, 2015

Acer Pilot
Feb 17, 2007
put the 'the' in therapist

:dukedog:

Don't you still show up online but just can't login to a specific alt?

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

hakimashou posted:

:siren::siren::siren::siren::siren: ALERT :cumpolice::siren: ALERT :siren::siren::siren::siren::siren:


XEAN IS NOT BANNED! HE HAS LOGGED INTO STO!

So he was gone for a month out of pure spite.

TheCosmicMuffet
Jun 21, 2009

by Shine

g0del posted:

Just anything beams. Most people pick either DBBs in front with omnis in back, or all beam arrays. The DBB/omni thing works great with ships with 3 rear weapons, because you can use mission rewards and crafting to get 2 antiproton or 2 teryon omnis, then add the cutting beam for the 3rd. Other damage types are currently out of luck.

Would you still do this on a cruiser or whatever? Last time around, I had a D'deridex with arrays for doing broadside. Would I use DBBs now, if I logged back in? Which I absolutely will not ever do?

I'm asking for a friend.

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

No, DBBs occupy the old Cannon archetype. Use them on high-maneuverability ships and nothing else.

g0del
Jan 9, 2001



Fun Shoe
^^ This. I've been using them on my scimitar, but I've also been flying that scimitar quite awhile and am pretty good at pointing it in the right direction for the handful of STFs worth running. And mission content is so easy that I don't have to point right, even the omnis in my rear can kill anything quickly.

Mondian posted:

There was something about how dbbs are only ideal on ships with 5 fore slots. I forget the specifics, but maybe someone else can chime in.
:confused:
There are ships without 5 fore slots?

But seriously, was it about the 5 fore slots, or was it about it not working on ships with 4 rear slots? Because you can only get 2 omni beams and 1 kinetic, meaning that 4/4 ships waste a weapons slot if they run DBBs.

g0del fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Oct 29, 2015

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




g0del posted:

But seriously, was it about the 5 fore slots, or was it about it not working on ships with 4 rear slots? Because you can only get 2 omni beams and 1 kinetic, meaning that 4/4 ships waste a weapons slot if they run DBBs.

More this, basically. If you run DBBs, you want three rear slots, decent maneuvering, and you want to run Antiproton or Tetryon so you have that second omni. But you can get some amazing damage rates out of that build, especially if you have five fore slots.

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009







e: Also, his Armada's empty again.

super sweet best pal fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Oct 30, 2015

Lafarg
Jul 23, 2012

Psycho Landlord posted:

No, DBBs occupy the old Cannon archetype. Use them on high-maneuverability ships and nothing else.

Should it really matter anymore considering most cruisers can obtain escort-level maneuverability with the correct equipment? I was almost thinking a dreadnaught could go with a DBB build and be perfect. My excelsior is at a max 45 degree/sec right now. Not sure how the bigger ships would fare with the same gear.

Coq au Nandos
Nov 7, 2006

I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.
Kudos to Rahhmi for running a very successful Dental Annorax giveaway via Twitter, then having the decency to give the ship to someone who actually wanted to use it.

Mondian
Apr 24, 2007

Unguided posted:

e: Also, his Armada's empty again.

I send him regular invites to the Wesley armada, what's he waiting for :confused:

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




system protocol posted:

Should it really matter anymore considering most cruisers can obtain escort-level maneuverability with the correct equipment? I was almost thinking a dreadnaught could go with a DBB build and be perfect. My excelsior is at a max 45 degree/sec right now. Not sure how the bigger ships would fare with the same gear.

It's probably fine for anything with more turn than a Bortas, to be honest. Scim could most likely pull it off, if that's the Dread you're thinking of.

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

system protocol posted:

Should it really matter anymore considering most cruisers can obtain escort-level maneuverability with the correct equipment? I was almost thinking a dreadnaught could go with a DBB build and be perfect. My excelsior is at a max 45 degree/sec right now. Not sure how the bigger ships would fare with the same gear.

DBBs and Beam Arrays are really close in terms of sustained damage output, and if you want to make the most of duals you're gonna want to keep them on target like 95% of combat time. If you fly slow and make a target or yourself, that's easy, but if you need to avoid getting hit you're going to want to fly something really fast and really turny to hit that number. Otherwise, you are legit better off using beam arrays. While, true, most poo poo can hit pretty high turn numbers now, you also have to account for inertia values and all that too - hell, the Presidio I'm flying right now can hit 52 degrees a second, but I wouldn't ever attempt to actually do a DBB build on that thing because I'd spend most of the fight slaloming around and wandering off target, while also tanking my defense because I'm not actually moving quickly. So I'm better off with arrays. If you're a good enough pilot you can counteract that, yeah, but most of the people asking these questions aren't.

Like anything else at the high end of the game though, this is basically numbers sperging and you should use whatever you want, but I always default to "most effective solution" when these questions come up, so there's my recommendation.

Technical Analysis
Nov 21, 2007

I got 99 problems but the British ain't one.
gently caress it, get a carrier, use nothing but turrets and cannon scatter volley. Battlestar that poo poo.

RescueFreak
Sep 8, 2013

Pro tip: Strip any useful gear off a ship before you dismiss it.

In my rush to get some ships for the admiral system I dismissed a Steamrunner with some Mk12-13 antiproton dual beams and omnis with the borg set. :bang:

RescueFreak fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Oct 30, 2015

g0del
Jan 9, 2001



Fun Shoe

RescueFreak posted:

Pro tip: Strip any useful gear off a ship before you dismiss it.

In my rush to get some ships for the admiral system I dismissed a Steamrunner with some Mk12-13 antiproton dual beams and omnis with the borg set. :bang:
At least that stuff's replaceable. Ever since it went live I've been hoping for a "I just dismissed a ship with my plasmonic leech on it!" forum thread.

Rahhmi
Aug 18, 2015

GO WEEDJI!

[05/28/2016 12:40:42 AM] Pulse: don't stir up my
personal drama, please

SKY COQ posted:

Kudos to Rahhmi for running a very successful Dental Annorax giveaway via Twitter, then having the decency to give the ship to someone who actually wanted to use it.

Thanks!

I actually threw in an Imperium and some Krenim Doff packs I had in my inventory too. Apparently today (the day after) is his birthday and he didn't use that to win the contest. But Really. who likes the Krenim? I couldn't let that one go.

Them posted:

XEAN IS NOT BANNED

...maybe not, but people seem affected enough by the rumors that they have to make a PSA about it. SERIOUSLY XTERN1TY LURKERS! You've been LIED too! We're not bad people! WE JUST GOOF OFF ON A FORUM AND YOUR (FORMER?) LEADER TAKES US TOO SERIOUSLY! Think for yourselves and experience the light of Disco!

JOIN DENTAL ACADEMY TODAY!

bubbles depo
Jul 25, 2006

doot doot!

Rahhmi posted:


...maybe not, but people seem affected enough by the rumors that they have to make a PSA about it. SERIOUSLY XTERN1TY LURKERS! You've been LIED too! We're not bad people! WE JUST GOOF OFF ON A FORUM AND YOUR (FORMER?) LEADER TAKES US TOO SERIOUSLY! Think for yourselves and experience the light of Disco!



It's true. :dukedog:

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Free doff pack giveaway from RAZER

https://insider.razerzone.com/index.php?pages/giveaway/&id=star-trek

Tuskin38
May 1, 2013

Have you seen these posts?
They're pretty popular on Reddit.
Cryptic accidentally leaked the rebuilt Defiant model on their Promo website.
https://www.arcgames.com/en/splash/...off_offer_id=82

http://imgur.com/a/0DZGh

Here is the current model for comparison

http://imgur.com/a/zf2E7

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Lafarg
Jul 23, 2012


Anyone have a link to where I go to enter the promotion code. It linked the STO website but I looked almost everywhere there and on the arc site and couldn't find a place to enter it.

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