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THC posted:I doubt it, but they could retaliate by making life hell for us in other ways. They're just pandering to their base of angry suburban motorists Throwing a bone to the base for sure, but I suspect they also want to ensure they can leverage out a bigger slice of the pie for themselves.
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Albino Squirrel posted:So, their stated goal is to fund infrastructure by.... selling off infrastructure? Profitable infrastructure at that? Because the banker they hired to tell them how to gut the province said to do it, so come hell or high water they're going to do it, no matter how little sense it appears to make. TBF, if the OPC thought they could get away with it they'd have done the same thing. They're coming out against it now because it's the OLP doing it, not because they disagree with it ideologically.
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Harper turned the top floor of 24 Sussex into a cat sanctuary.quote:Despite the auditor’s warning, a spokesman for Prime Minister Stephen Harper said the leader and his family wouldn’t leave the premises. The prime minister’s wife, Laureen Harper, later told the Ottawa Citizen the house was a “beautiful heritage property,” and “well-suited to our family.”
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Oct 29, 2015 19:59
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Isn't there already a giant pile of cats behind Parliament Hill?
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Oct 29, 2015 20:01
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Jordan7hm posted:Median not average. But yes. I am hugely in favour of significantly higher marginal tax rates for top income brackets. Of which I would argue we should have significantly more. quote:while the median individual income is just $27,600. That means just as many individuals earn less than $27,600 as earn more. You guys are nuts, our politicians waste so much of the tax money we give them, I don't see how you can honestly advocate giving them more. Albino Squirrel posted:So, their stated goal is to fund infrastructure by.... selling off infrastructure? Profitable infrastructure at that? Yep, you and 83% of Ontarians see this clearly is a bad deal. My two theories are a) Cronyism. Wynne's proved that she's not immune from it, quickly hiring her brother in law to head our electronic health records system and appointing the lady she ran for leadership against, who graciously stepped down, to the board of Hydro One. Our last Liberal premiere resigned and came back to Ontario 12 months later to lobby on behalf of a company that he'd given millions to while in office. If I was her, I wouldn't count on getting re-elected so it's nice to have a private sector fallback. The ex-TD president privatization guru is working for goddamn free to advise her. b) Our financial situation. We're $300b in debt, paying $11b in interest alone per year. GDP growth is slow and green energy is crippling manufacturing. If we get more credit downgrades or if interest rates go up, we're in a really bad spot in terms of borrowing costs. We may actually be so far in debt that it's time to start burning the furniture to heat the house. c) They've also already promised shares to the hydro workers union so it's kind of hard to back out of now. infernal machines posted:Because the banker they hired to tell them how to gut the province said to do it, so come hell or high water they're going to do it, no matter how little sense it appears to make. OPC never wanted to sell the majority share of it and they had a majority, they could have sold it when they had the chance. The banker also originally said don't sell it until Wynne changed the panel's mandate. This is probably the more intelligent article Albino Squirrel is looking for rather than my rantings. http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2015/04/20/how-hydro-one-ended-up-on-the-auction-block-cohn.html posted:The advice from Ed Clark to Kathleen Wynne was unequivocal: Hydro One’s electrical wires are too strategic to privatize. Postess with the Mostest fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Oct 29, 2015 |
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Oct 29, 2015 20:04
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Entropic posted:Isn't there already a giant pile of cats behind Parliament Hill? Nope, there's even a sign back there now saying something about how they had to shut it down.
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He turned it into a cat farm, great. flakeloaf posted:Nope, there's even a sign back there now saying something about how they had to shut it down. The old guy that started it died I think and they couldn't find funding for it afterwards.
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Oct 29, 2015 20:06
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Ahahahaha Harper ran a cat farm
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Oct 29, 2015 20:07
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Holy poo poo all those years I thought all the cat jokes about Harper were only just jokes
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Ikantski posted:OPC never wanted to sell the majority share of it and they had a majority, they could have sold it when they had the chance. The banker also originally said don't sell it until Wynne changed the panel's mandate. This is probably the more intelligent article Albino Squirrel is looking for rather than my rantings. Given their rhetoric on privatization I choose to believe that they simply didn't have the balls to do it back in the Harris/Eves years, they (rightly) assumed people would be stringing them up from lamp posts if they tried to fully privatize hydro, especially after the mess that came out of deregulation. The OLP apparently has a lot more chutzpah when it comes to selling off public assets.
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sbaldrick posted:The old guy that started it died I think and they couldn't find funding for it afterwards.
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Albino Squirrel posted:So, their stated goal is to fund infrastructure by.... selling off infrastructure? Profitable infrastructure at that? Short term revenue generation to have projects to cut ribbons in front of. Old infrastructure is not exciting to the public, especially electrical transmission, while new transport infrastructure is highly marketable. This is worsened by the fact that the negative consequences of such a sale will likely not occur or be obvious during the period of whichever government does this. In this particular case, there is also the whole "private management improves efficiency" line, which is trying to position around increasing electricity costs. I think what's happening here is that Wynne is so convinced of the necessity these projects (and believes them to be ultimately more profitable), and afraid of increasing the provinces debt to fund them. Note that the increased interest from a ~10 billion loan for these projects is 3-400 million, which makes it nearly equivalent if we assume that the 60% sale results in a similar cut of the revenue being removed. There in theory will be some return of this in the form of corporate taxes and capital gains, but not a ton. In the debt case it is felt quickly and can be seen as "reckless borrowing", the corporation sale can be positioned as "necessary and fiscally responsible". This document outlines the reasoning for this plan and some of the rather absurd assumptions that underlie it: http://www.ontario.ca/document/improving-performance-and-unlocking-value-electricity-sector Some choice quotes: quote:The issue of lost income to the Province hasn’t changed from our Initial Report – there will indeed be some lost income. However, there is, of course, the broader question: if governments have a lower cost of borrowing than business enterprises earn, should they own many of them to earn revenue for the province? quote:The government’s view, and one which we accept, is that the return on well-conceived projects will be higher than the return that the government would forego by selling Hydro One today, in the context of today’s market and interest rates. quote:We said in our Initial Report that we would favour selling the distribution business of Hydro One Networks whether or not the government needed the revenue to finance infrastructure investments. It just made good energy policy sense. Indeed these views have been strengthened by our consultation process, as almost all stakeholders urged us to find a way to spur further consolidation.
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Coolwhoami posted:There in theory will be some return of this in the form of corporate taxes and capital gains, but not a ton. In the debt case it is felt quickly and can be seen as "reckless borrowing", the corporation sale can be positioned as "necessary and fiscally responsible". The FAO calculated the corp tax returns into his report today. 
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Brannock posted:Holy poo poo all those years I thought all the cat jokes about Harper were only just jokes He was just ensuring his food supply.
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Ikantski posted:The FAO calculated the corp tax returns into his report today. lmfao e: Jesus christ why even bother. Coolwhoami fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Oct 29, 2015 |
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Oct 29, 2015 21:07
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I see that the Hydro sale will be Wynne's 407. After all this is said and done, I am not looking forward to the cuts under Brown.
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Oct 29, 2015 21:15
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So did Steve take all the pussy with him or did he leave some for Justin
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Slightly Toasted posted:So did Steve take all the pussy with him or did he leave some for Justin I'm sure the smell will linger for years.
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Oct 29, 2015 21:34
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Don't worry about justin, he has more than enough to eat at home.
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"Employment Minister Pierre Poilievre is also said to be eyeing a run at the top job."
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Pinterest Mom posted:"Employment Minister Pierre Poilievre is also said to be eyeing a run at the top job." Hey, at least the Liberals and Pierre will agree that you're either with us or the child pornographers.
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Pinterest Mom posted:"Employment Minister Pierre Poilievre is also said to be eyeing a run at the top job." On the one hand, watching Pollievre impotently rage for four years would be pretty sweet, but on the other, the ghost of the phrase "Prime Minister Pollievre" is the most horrifying thought I have had in a long while.
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Cultural Imperial posted:What was going on in this thread when the BC hst referendum was going on? Which sjw shitheads were advocating against it? Plenty, since the BC NDP was opposed to the HST during the referendum.
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Oct 29, 2015 23:02
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Get your tears here. Fresh salty CPC tears    
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Oct 29, 2015 23:07
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According to my Twitter feed, "Jussy" (yes, this is apparently a thing) wants to let in every refugee ever, at which point we will be overrun and all Christmas trees will be removed from public buildings. gently caress this stupid country.
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Oct 29, 2015 23:10
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Hahahah Harper turned 24 Sussex into Cat Pee Paradise and Wynne is Libbing so hard it's going to destroy Ontario. What a time to be alive.
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Oct 29, 2015 23:11
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I bet they'll spend 10 million renovating and still tear it down because of literal cat piss smell.
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EvilJoven posted:I bet they'll spend 10 million renovating and still tear it down because of literal cat piss smell. I am now imagining Stephen Harper as a male version of the crazy cat lady from the Simpsons. "Bet you can't throw a cat over the houses of parliament!"
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Oct 29, 2015 23:22
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jm20 posted:This is the Nordic model Well, sort of. By European standards Nordic corporate taxes are low. Sweden's is 22%, Norway's is 27%, Finland's is 20%, and Denmark's is 23.5%, which is slightly lower than other European countries but it's not like they're charging corporations 12.5% like in tax havens like Ireland.
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Oct 29, 2015 23:25
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A poison headcrab zombie but with cats
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PT6A posted:According to my Twitter feed, "Jussy" (yes, this is apparently a thing) wants to let in every refugee ever, at which point we will be overrun and all Christmas trees will be removed from public buildings. Is that like....pussy? Justin Pussy? Hussy? I'm so confused.
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Oct 29, 2015 23:27
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CLAM DOWN posted:Is that like....pussy? Justin Pussy? Hussy? I'm so confused. I don't know, all I know is I want the stupid (racist) rear end in a top hat who used it to incur a very painful, hopefully terminal, injury. (EDIT: In context, someone was accused of drinking "Jussy juice".... I don't know what that means) It seems there are a lot of folk that are pissed off at Justin because he dares to be moderately attractive and not old.
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Oct 29, 2015 23:38
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PT6A posted:It seems there are a lot of folk that are pissed off at Justin because he dares to be moderately attractive and not old. What they are pissed off at is his superficiality.
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 Gonna raise 3b for infrastructure instead of 4 at this rate http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-29/canada-s-hydro-one-utility-said-to-raise-c-1-66-billion-in-ipo
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Baloogan posted:What they are pissed off at is his superficiality. How is he being superficial? He didn't campaign by going "vote for me, I'm dead sexy!"
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Baloogan posted:What they are pissed off at is his superficiality. Are good looking people automatically superficial or something? He's intelligent, well educated, thoughtful, charismatic, how is he superficial?
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CLAM DOWN posted:Are good looking people automatically superficial or something? He's intelligent, well educated, thoughtful, charismatic, how is he superficial? Yes, if you take care of your appearance and do exercise on a regular basis to avoid looking like a potato, it means you're a horrible superficial monster, bereft of even the meanest of intellectual gifts! It's like morbidly obese people getting pissed off at normal-weight people and accusing them of being "skinny bitches" or whatever.
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Baloogan posted:What they are pissed off at is his superficiality. Half the Conservative campaign was based on he's hot and good looking and ooooh our children!!! There was a total "this guy is young and attractive and I hate him" vote.
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