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MononcQc: May 29, 2007

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

this difference matters less than how good the breakroom coffee is

As someone who works from home, the type of job has an impact to me because the breakroom remains the same

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 08:35

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

lol at imagining you can be paid money to for something "fulfilling"

does it meet your salary expectations?
are the benefits good enough?
is the job security good enough?

that's it

those are the only things to ask about a software job

you've got points but you're forgetting that life is short and if your spending a decent chunk of that at your job .. well you can see where I am going. I'd like to get paid more but I have some really good human on himan interactions on a daily basis (that's what the stripper said)

# ? Oct 31, 2015 02:36

Jerry Bindle: May 16, 2003

i got a job as a human toilet, it pays well, 401k matching, the hours are good but the minutes are terrible. oh well its a living, gulp

# ? Oct 31, 2015 02:37

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

I laughed

# ? Oct 31, 2015 02:46

AWWNAW: Dec 30, 2008

lol if your able to work at a job you hate or with people you hate and rationalize it as "hey it's a steady paycheck". i think coworkers are the biggest factor for my job satisfaction

(i wish i could do this)

# ? Oct 31, 2015 03:49

pepito sanchez: Apr 3, 2004; I'm not mexican

AWWNAW posted:

coworkers are the biggest factor for my job satisfaction

this

but the job matters too. or you've never worked a lovely job while at school. or you come from money, so never. or you forgot.

people do those jobs, maybe in higher positions, well into the 30s and 40s. respectable, but yeah. it just being a job and making a living is a bad reason to get into any academic field imo. did you get into IT for your big fat paycheck? lol if. should've been a lawyer or accountant instead of a terrible programmer

# ? Oct 31, 2015 04:23

Corla Plankun: May 8, 2007; improve the lives of everyone

Bloody posted:

no seriously yospos help me get a hedge fund job please

take the bloomberg aptitude test

i get resume requests all the time from that poo poo

i think it costs money but it was free at my school

# ? Oct 31, 2015 04:39

Corla Plankun: May 8, 2007; improve the lives of everyone

MononcQc posted:

As someone who works from home, the type of job has an impact to me because the breakroom remains the same

protip: if you're working at home or in a private office you can "work" for a company you don't agree with by doing whatever the gently caress you want while you're on the clock

# ? Oct 31, 2015 04:41

MononcQc: May 29, 2007

Corla Plankun posted:

protip: if you're working at home or in a private office you can "work" for a company you don't agree with by doing whatever the gently caress you want while you're on the clock

I sometimes did that when times were slow, but current job has always a full schedule going. Makes it a lot harder. Other funny thing is that I pretty much run on reputation within the Erlang community these days and everyone knows everyone, so if I burn myself from one job, I pretty much risk burning myself from all of them.

It's weird. I was at a conference, during a break between sessions and I made an offhand negative comment about a database to a group of 4 people. It got brought up in a mailing list, and then into a HN thread and I received e-mails from strangers about it all within 3-4 days.

It's weird because I have to be super careful about a lot of stuff, and if you misstep too much, it ripples through your private, online, and work life at once and bridges are far easier to burn than to build.

MononcQc fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Oct 31, 2015

# ? Oct 31, 2015 04:48

Jerry Bindle: May 16, 2003

drat. i hope someone cares that much about my opinions some day

# ? Oct 31, 2015 05:30

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

I wish I could use resharper, it sounds cool. Sadly, we're forbidden from using it, or linq, or lambdas in our code. I'm working on getting someone to tell me why that is, but until I get an answer I'm going to assume that it's "stupid idiot fresh grad programmers can barely stop loving up basic OOP, much less use something 'advanced'". I mean, the guy who teaches our internal class on C# (which only covers the stuff we actually use) had no idea what mmap was when we got to the topic on files and I asked if there was an equivalent.

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# ? Oct 31, 2015 06:00

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

echinopsis posted:

you've got points but you're forgetting that life is short and if your spending a decent chunk of that at your job .. well you can see where I am going.

yeah, life is short

having a job is the problem

the only good job is no job

# ? Oct 31, 2015 06:05

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

yeah, life is short

having a job is the problem

the only good job is no job

ive only got 60% of a job

# ? Oct 31, 2015 06:09

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

Barnyard Protein posted:

drat. i hope someone cares that much about my opinions some day

why?

# ? Oct 31, 2015 07:56

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

I wish I could use resharper, it sounds cool. Sadly, we're forbidden from using it, or linq, or lambdas in our code. I'm working on getting someone to tell me why that is, but until I get an answer I'm going to assume that it's "stupid idiot fresh grad programmers can barely stop loving up basic OOP, much less use something 'advanced'". I mean, the guy who teaches our internal class on C# (which only covers the stuff we actually use) had no idea what mmap was when we got to the topic on files and I asked if there was an equivalent.

linq and lambdas are basically functional programming, which is a lot less complicated than oop imho

# ? Oct 31, 2015 07:57

Zemyla: Aug 6, 2008; I'll take her off your hands. Pleasure doing business with you!

So that's why Microsoft hired the Haskell guy, so they could take all the good features of Haskell and put them in C#.

# ? Oct 31, 2015 09:01

Jabor: Jul 16, 2010; #1 Loser at SpaceChem

the reason you get paid to do a job isn't because it's unpleasant, it because someone else is getting the fruits of your labour. whether you enjoy it or not is unrelated, and it's absolutely possible to get paid doing something you enjoy.

it's worse than not needing a job and just doing stuff you enjoy all the time, but a whole lot better than working a job you hate and trying to fit in stuff you enjoy around that.

# ? Oct 31, 2015 09:14

gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

Zemyla posted:

So that's why Microsoft hired the Haskell guy, so they could take all the good features of Haskell and put them in C#.

Yes. Literally and unironically, yes. I mean most of them were already in f# but whatever.

# ? Oct 31, 2015 09:54

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

job satisfaction is bullshit.

all jobs are terrible, that is why they are called jobs. the goal is to get paid, and then go home

if you unironically believe this then you have a lot more job satisfaction than most people do

# ? Oct 31, 2015 10:52

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

job satisfaction is bullshit.

all jobs are terrible, that is why they are called jobs. the goal is to get paid, and then go home

I enjoy my work. its fun and fulfilling. and the pay is deece too.

maybe you just need a better job...?

# ? Oct 31, 2015 14:31

Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

As part of my job I get to spend the next 6-8 months taking time out of my day job to work on a software project for a charity that has some ideas but not the technical work force to implement said ideas.

# ? Oct 31, 2015 15:40

kitten emergency: Jan 13, 2008; get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

fwiw resharper didn't catch the loop because it couldn't look far ahead in the stack to catch it. another victory of man over machine I guess :geno:

now the rest of the dudes code is still a horrorshow but it seems to come from a place where he fundamentally is missing the nuances of asynchrony and I can't really blame him for that

# ? Oct 31, 2015 16:02

kitten emergency: Jan 13, 2008; get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

he's responsible for building out a lot of automated UI tests in webdriver, but has neglected to wait for the page to fully load before trying to get a handle on elements in the dom

# ? Oct 31, 2015 16:05

brap: Aug 23, 2004; Grimey Drawer

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

I wish I could use resharper, it sounds cool. Sadly, we're forbidden from using it, or linq, or lambdas in our code. I'm working on getting someone to tell me why that is, but until I get an answer I'm going to assume that it's "stupid idiot fresh grad programmers can barely stop loving up basic OOP, much less use something 'advanced'". I mean, the guy who teaches our internal class on C# (which only covers the stuff we actually use) had no idea what mmap was when we got to the topic on files and I asked if there was an equivalent.

the whole point of linq is it's easier to write than nested loops
the point of lambdas is to be able to write a function without having to go through the trouble of naming it and putting it in its own special place in the top level of a class
these are simple concepts and anyone against them, even for fear of new grads screwing it up, is basically retarded

# ? Oct 31, 2015 16:35

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

yeah i'm totally not understanding bsd's position on job satisfaction. i agree from the viewpoint of 'yes, programmers really are so goddamn lucky as to even be able to have satisfying jobs', and that most of the world cannot enjoy this and shouldn't strive for it because it will probably never happen.

but that doesn't mean it isn't probably the most important thing for me about my job. i'm not saying it has to cure cancer, but the work has to be interesting. the closer it is to curing cancer, the less interesting it needs to be.

basically, i'd work at a for-profit prison if they had me doing something really really interesting.

# ? Oct 31, 2015 17:18

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

Corla Plankun posted:

take the bloomberg aptitude test

i get resume requests all the time from that poo poo

i think it costs money but it was free at my school

had never even heard of this, ty

# ? Oct 31, 2015 17:28

Funk In Shoe: Apr 20, 2008; Waiting in line, Mr. Haydon told me it is a wheel not meant for lovers but for infants, lifting people and letting them swing, putting the world on display from up high

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

basically, i'd work at a for-profit prison if they had me doing something really really interesting.

This is basically what being a researcher at a university is

# ? Oct 31, 2015 17:50

NihilCredo: Jun 6, 2011; iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

Corla Plankun posted:

take the bloomberg aptitude test

i get resume requests all the time from that poo poo

i think it costs money but it was free at my school

it costs $40 so nbd

and if you think you're not doing well they have a dude watching you on webcam so you can always pull it out and get your money's worth anyway

# ? Oct 31, 2015 18:00

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

people itt should read

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-factor_theory

# ? Oct 31, 2015 18:12

KidDynamite: Feb 11, 2005

pepito sanchez posted:

this

but the job matters too. or you've never worked a lovely job while at school. or you come from money, so never. or you forgot.

people do those jobs, maybe in higher positions, well into the 30s and 40s. respectable, but yeah. it just being a job and making a living is a bad reason to get into any academic field imo. did you get into IT for your big fat paycheck? lol if. should've been a lawyer or accountant instead of a terrible programmer

Accountant maybe, but lol lawyer if you didn't go to a top 3 school

# ? Oct 31, 2015 18:19

Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

pepito sanchez posted:

this

but the job matters too. or you've never worked a lovely job while at school. or you come from money, so never. or you forgot.

people do those jobs, maybe in higher positions, well into the 30s and 40s. respectable, but yeah. it just being a job and making a living is a bad reason to get into any academic field imo. did you get into IT for your big fat paycheck? lol if. should've been a lawyer or accountant instead of a terrible programmer

i very almost did accuontancy, but did not want to finish uni and do another 4 years of exams gently caress that

# ? Oct 31, 2015 18:24

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

uncurable mlady posted:

now the rest of the dudes code is still a horrorshow but it seems to come from a place where he fundamentally is missing the nuances of asynchrony and I can't really blame him for that

sure you can

these days you need to at least know whether you "get" asynchrony before you try to use it

I helped debug a thing once where someone was writing the equivalent of:

code:


- (BOOL)attemptToDoSomething {
    __block BOOL success = NO;
    BOOL timedOut = [self doSomeAsyncIPCWithTimeout:5.0 asyncWhenDone:^{
        // do some other work
        success = YES;
    }];
    return success; // entirely ignoring timedOut
}

it was clear what they were trying to do, but when they wrote it they didn't seem to get that they need to synchronize access to that shared variable because otherwise they'll wind up with false negatives (since they aren't waiting for the callback to set success when the async IPC didn't time out)

code:


- (BOOL)attemptToDoSomething {
    __block BOOL success = NO;
    Semaphore *semaphore = [Semaphore semaphoreWithCount:0];
    BOOL timedOut = [self doSomeAsyncIPCWithTimeout:5.0 asyncWhenDone:^{
        // do some other work
        [semaphore signal];
        success = YES;
    }];
    
    if (timedOut == NO) {
        [semaphore wait];
    }
    
    return success;
}

sure the version with a semaphore to synchronize access to success when the async IPC didn't time out looks a little more complicated, but that's because what's going on isn't quite as clean and straightforward as the author was pretending when they wrote that

eschaton fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Oct 31, 2015

# ? Oct 31, 2015 19:18

oh no blimp issue: Feb 23, 2011

i have a fulfilling and fun job as a computer man
not even joking

# ? Oct 31, 2015 19:20

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Soricidus posted:

I enjoy my work. its fun and fulfilling.

it's ok. the feeling will pass

Soricidus posted:

and the pay is deece too.

long after you stop pretending to care about whatever you are paid to care about, your savings will still be paying off for you

# ? Oct 31, 2015 19:41

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Jabor posted:

the reason you get paid to do a job isn't because it's unpleasant, it because someone else is getting the fruits of your labour. whether you enjoy it or not is unrelated, and it's absolutely possible to get paid doing something you enjoy.

this is like saying it would be great to be a porn star so you can be paid to have sex all day

it doesn't actually matter what you are doing. sure, some jobs are worse than others, but all jobs are jobs. as you point out, someone else is deriving the gains, the "fruits of your labor."

no amount of "fun" or engagement with your work will give you your life back

# ? Oct 31, 2015 19:43

oh no blimp issue: Feb 23, 2011

what if youre self employed?

# ? Oct 31, 2015 19:44

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Awia posted:

what if youre self employed?

better than working for someone else, but still worse than having sufficient capital to make someone else do the work for your gain

# ? Oct 31, 2015 19:48

leftist heap: Feb 28, 2013; Fun Shoe

i'm also a nihilist communist thanks for asking

# ? Oct 31, 2015 19:52

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

oh boy something in the application is so broken it's broken on the C++ Windows API layer below all our fancy .net stuff

it's all undocumented and barely commented and some of it is 10 years old. oh boy

# ? Oct 31, 2015 19:56

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Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

it doesn't actually matter what you are doing. sure, some jobs are worse than others, but all jobs are jobs. as you point out, someone else is deriving the gains, the "fruits of your labor."

no amount of "fun" or engagement with your work will give you your life back

what better thing is there to do with your life, than to spend it doing things you enjoy

and how is it bad if people are even willing to give you money to do the thing you enjoy, so you can do more of it in your limited lifespan

# ? Oct 31, 2015 21:21

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