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Luneshot posted:I don't know enough about airships or the British history of them to know where this story is going, and I'm afraid to look it up because I'm expecting it to end in a large fireball and dozens of deaths. Spoiler: the R101 did not catch fire. Still killed four dozen people, though, making it the third worst airship disaster in history.
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Nov 1, 2015 21:40
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Cat Mattress posted:Spoiler: the R101 did not catch fire. Well, not before it hit the ground at least.
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Nov 1, 2015 22:05
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fknlo posted:Yesterday some IS affiliated group claimed responsibility for downing that plane in Egypt. Today they released this video to back up their claims. It sucks and looks kind of fake, but maybe they weren't bullshitting? Christ, I've seen UFO and Sasquatch videos clearer than that. If they did do it, Russia gonna gently caress their poo poo up.
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Nov 1, 2015 22:09
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Nebakenezzer posted:Airship stuff 
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Nov 1, 2015 22:41
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slidebite posted:Christ, I've seen UFO and Sasquatch videos clearer than that. The smoke after the 'hit' looks really fake to me, and coming from the fuselage instead of an engine, but as you say, it's so unclear that I certainly wouldn't put any money on it being fake or not.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:00
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Brovine posted:
Educated guess and wild stab in the dark all at the same time London City Airport?
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Nov 1, 2015 23:07
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The Locator posted:The smoke after the 'hit' looks really fake to me, and coming from the fuselage instead of an engine, but as you say, it's so unclear that I certainly wouldn't put any money on it being fake or not. It's fake because they don't physically possess anything capable of causing it. Just because I post a blurry video of sun rising while I claim to be causing it, doesn't mean I should get a "maybe" on whether it's true or not.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:32
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Godholio posted:It's fake because they don't physically possess anything capable of causing it. I don't personally have the knowledge or the information to make a determination, that's all I really meant by that. I have no idea what they physically possess.
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Nov 2, 2015 00:02
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Godholio posted:It's fake because they don't physically possess anything capable of causing it.
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Nov 2, 2015 00:15
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Godholio posted:It's fake because they don't physically possess anything capable of causing it. Besides, that second part where it turns grainy B&W looks like a spliced in WWII gun cam.
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Nov 2, 2015 00:27
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standard.deviant posted:I'm waiting for a Russian source to say "they would need a Buk to do that." lol
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Nov 2, 2015 01:16
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standard.deviant posted:I'm waiting for a Russian source to say "they would need a Buk to do that." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Air_Defense_Forces#Regional.2FStrategic_Perimeter_level_SAM Seems the Egyptians have both Buks *and* Patriots, as well as S-300s. In before RT suggests that it was a PAC-3 battery hacked by ISIS, which could have never happened with a Russian SAM system because Rodina Stronk. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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Nov 2, 2015 01:52
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A bomb seems more likely than a SAM.
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Nov 2, 2015 02:14
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Yeah a bomb seems reasonably plausible at first glance, since it looks like it literally broke in half in mid-air. Could that happen due to overspeed during the descent? For instance, if the plane pitched down, accelerated, then the pilot regained some control and tried to pitch up, snapping the tail off.
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Nov 2, 2015 05:20
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Mortabis posted:Yeah a bomb seems reasonably plausible at first glance, since it looks like it literally broke in half in mid-air. Could that happen due to overspeed during the descent? For instance, if the plane pitched down, accelerated, then the pilot regained some control and tried to pitch up, snapping the tail off. That questionably leaves enough time for the captain or FO to have sent out some kind of distress signal, albeit brief. Otherwise, explosive decompression?
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Nov 2, 2015 05:29
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So far I'm leaning towards a repeat of the JAL 123 disaster as the airplane suffered a tail strike in 2001, and apparently they've found the airplane's tail section intact (as can be after falling 30,000 feet anyways) but separate from the rest of the wreckage.
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Nov 2, 2015 07:25
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You can also go with TWA800. The bomb was built into the plane the entire time!
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C.M. Kruger posted:So far I'm leaning towards a repeat of the JAL 123 disaster as the airplane suffered a tail strike in 2001, and apparently they've found the airplane's tail section intact (as can be after falling 30,000 feet anyways) but separate from the rest of the wreckage. They found the tailcone+APU, rear fuse with vertical stab but as far as I can see without rudder, but so far I have seen no trace of the tailplane. It's not really possible at this point to pin this on a decompression. A bomb is of course a distinct possibility, but also ADIRU accelerometer shenanigans are not unheard of. Looking at the extreme VSI indications, going through two full cycles of very high positive and negative values this is rather what I'm thinking of, although it would be the first time this leads to an inflight breakup at altitude. This is of course assuming that the values published by FR24 are genuine, but whether these values are the actual flight parameters of the aircraft at that moment or simply crap output from the avionics transmitted over ADS-B is immaterial: vertical acceleration is used to compute the vertical speed as well being as the primary pitch demand input for an Airbus FBW flight control system at high mach. We also still waiting for the final report of QZ8501, which was due for release last month. I am still very, very curious what happened there. Tsuru fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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Nov 2, 2015 08:35
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This is an example of what I'm on about. There are more videos out there from the ATSB, also of similar events in Airbus aircraft, but this is the only one which displays the accelerometer outputs in real time. Note how the values go from "dumdeedum flying along normally" to "FUUUUUUUU -2.5G vertical, 1.25G longitudinal and 1G lateral" in no seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XNnEzFF5fg
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Nov 2, 2015 09:03
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lordmaf posted:Educated guess and wild stab in the dark all at the same time Yup. Just a little foggy yesterday - by the time I left work I don't think more than eight or so aircraft had managed to land the entire day and I don't think many more were likely to get in by that point!
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Nov 2, 2015 09:56
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'External factor' caused Sinai crash http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34697416 So, is that code for bomb on the plane? Matches with the break-up and IS claim.
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Nov 2, 2015 11:13
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The "external factor" will be that it was a jet built by meddling Europeans with inferior European/American engines, and they'll both do anything including sabotaging a plane with 224 people on board (and shooting down 298 on MH-17 with AA missiles) to enslave the Slavic people in their EU "gulag". And that's why we should all be buying Sukhoi 100's and Il-96's as they're Russian planes. Vote Putin.
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Nov 2, 2015 12:06
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Thank you. Seriously. Your nerding out on aircraft makes my day.
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Nov 2, 2015 12:58
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lordmaf posted:Educated guess and wild stab in the dark all at the same time I second that guess because water, what looks like 1980s LDDC bus shelter architecture and fog. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLdDZfH9-wU
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Nov 2, 2015 13:28
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Russian Sinai crash - KGL9268's route would have taken it over eastern Ukraine eventually. RUSSIANS BOMBED THEIR OWN PLANE! Bomb went off early. BUSH DID 9/11!  Also: I just watched Homeland last night and I'm paranoid.
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Nov 2, 2015 14:19
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Generation Internet posted:'External factor' caused Sinai crash http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34697416 The deputy director OF THE AIRLINE has "ruled out mechanical failure or pilot error," less than a week after the crash. Ya, no politics there, at all. BBC should be ashamed it even printed what the rear end in a top hat said.
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Nov 2, 2015 15:00
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Nah, gotta report if only to have it written down if he has to eat his words later
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Nov 2, 2015 15:09
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Nerobro posted:Thank you. Seriously. Your nerding out on aircraft makes my day.  Yeah, I think this goes for most people here. Keep doing what you
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Nov 2, 2015 15:16
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MrYenko posted:The deputy director OF THE AIRLINE has "ruled out mechanical failure or pilot error," less than a week after the crash. kinda hoping it really got blown out of the sky because that would mean karma really is a bitch
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Nov 2, 2015 17:14
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LUBE UP YOUR BUTT posted:kinda hoping it really got blown out of the sky because that would mean karma really is a bitch That really would be loving spectacular. Also probably really bad for global stability.
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Nov 2, 2015 17:16
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LUBE UP YOUR BUTT posted:kinda hoping it really got blown out of the sky because that would mean karma really is a bitch The truest form of this would involve some separatists that got lost and somehow drove their BUK down to Egypt and blew a Russian airliner out of the sky.
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Nov 2, 2015 19:24
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Equally good would be the bomb being made from materials supplied by Iran originally sourced from Russian arms sales to Iran.
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Nov 2, 2015 19:32
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LUBE UP YOUR BUTT posted:kinda hoping it really got blown out of the sky because that would mean karma really is a bitch I find this line of thinking abhorrent. Ugh.
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Mortabis posted:Equally good would be the bomb being made from materials supplied by Iran originally sourced from Russian arms sales to Iran. Ah yes, ISIS sourcing Iranian materials 
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Nov 2, 2015 19:53
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10201499889632787&id=247514375367214 Hot air balloon towing glider
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Nov 2, 2015 20:02
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Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas, not ISIS. It's not a terribly likely proposition. I kinda doubt it was a bomb.
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Nov 2, 2015 20:05
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CharlesM posted:I find this line of thinking abhorrent. Ugh. ehhh reciprocity is pretty much the only thing keeping world leaders from doing stupid poo poo like giving advanced anti-aircraft capabilities to rebels. karmas as good a runner up as it gets well okay reciprocity would be the only consideration for a realist, an institutional liberalist would argue norms and values restrain states too but putin wipes his rear end with norms
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Nov 2, 2015 20:06
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Koesj posted:Ah yes, ISIS sourcing Iranian materials Yeah if it's ISIS it would be US equipment abandoned by the Iraqi government. Of course there's no way we left and lost track of a loving patriot battery so SAMs seem to be out.
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vessbot posted:https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10201499889632787&id=247514375367214 That's an interesting method. And at least it seems safer than helicopter towing that I have heard some people talk about.
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