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Aliquid posted:*scratches arm* hey...hey man. you got a book? it doesn't have to be too heady, just a few chapters to get me through the day I might be just a simple librarian, but I'm going to embrace my new Walter White esque career choice.
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The Iron Rose posted:FPTP promotes moderation in politics, and limits the range of acceptable political ideologies in a given system. It's why, say, UKIP isn't more popular. It screws fringe leftist/rightist parties and generally produces either two or three mostly centrist parties. None of this is true. Except for limiting political ideologies being represented in government, and that's a bad thing.
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Wait, if public education is like a drug, should Libertarians want to legalize it?
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Nov 2, 2015 19:19
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Mojo Threepwood posted:40% of all upcoming book signings at Costcos nationwide are Dr. Ben Carson: http://m.costco.com/author-signings.html And the super-PAC has a bus parked outside. It is really a rather smart evolution of the direct-mail -> email mass-marketers that consume the funds of the right wing.
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Nov 2, 2015 19:19
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All that smoke in Boehner's office just proves how much of a RINO he was by being so willing to work with Obama.
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Nov 2, 2015 19:27
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Chalets the Baka posted:None of this is true. Except for limiting political ideologies being represented in government, and that's a bad thing. If anything it leads to the kind of big tent system we're seeing in the US right now where electoral strategy and strategic voting demands co-operation between incompatible wings of a party, which can result in the extreme wing slowly poisoning the party from the inside. In a proportional representation system, the Tea Party would've emerged as a splinter from the mainstream right-wing party (if one didn't already exist, it probably would have) and could've been sidelined from having any impact whatsoever on government by the remaining parties if seen necessary, although with populist movements this typically also increases their popularity so it's a risky gamble. Strategic voting is garbage and if your electoral system is supposed to accurately represent the ideological and political views of the voting population, FPTP does not accomplish that. Given that stable European democracies have PR systems with multi-party coalitions, where compromise is imperative for a functioning government and you get a new election if no compromise coalition can be created, FPTP doesn't really come off as a guarantor of stability or gradual reform either. If anything FPTP systems only reform themselves kicking and screaming at the last possible moment, and they can lead to relatively tumultous party system realignment as one of the two parties collapses and is replaced by another instead of a gradual shift in electoral results.
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Raerlynn posted:Counterpoint: Ashley Madison hacks, so... Yeah, but there's a huge difference in credibility between "politician does stupid, stupid poo poo because it fits into his sexual fantasies" and "politician does stupid, stupid poo poo because it plays into his sense of racial superiority". Examples of the former are a dime a dozen, and despite everyone desperately, desperately wishing and hoping, no one in Congress or running for President has actually said anything obviously racist, and no, Santorum didn't, you just wish he had.
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Mojo Threepwood posted:40% of all upcoming book signings at Costcos nationwide are Dr. Ben Carson: http://m.costco.com/author-signings.html "Yeah let's let this board member politicize our company during election silly season when our market position rests mostly on the kind of soft liberal support Target gets for being Not-Walmart."
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Hollismason posted:What happens to these Super Pacs after the elections if they have money left or do they just through it all before the Election ends? They can basically launder it to themselves to spend however they wish. Stephen Colbert has a good explanation
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Hollismason posted:What happens to these Super Pacs after the elections if they have money left or do they just through it all before the Election ends? The yoogest, most luxurious hookers and blow party
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Nov 2, 2015 19:42
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Antti posted:Strategic voting is garbage and if your electoral system is supposed to accurately represent the ideological and political views of the voting population, FPTP does not accomplish that. Given that stable European democracies have PR systems with multi-party coalitions, where compromise is imperative for a functioning government and you get a new election if no compromise coalition can be created, FPTP doesn't really come off as a guarantor of stability or gradual reform either. If anything FPTP systems only reform themselves kicking and screaming at the last possible moment, and they can lead to relatively tumultous party system realignment as one of the two parties collapses and is replaced by another instead of a gradual shift in electoral results. Exactly. Having an efficient political system with accurate representation that gets results - and can be changed on the fly if it doesn't - is as much a moral imperative as it is a pragmatic one. Canada is already having that discussion and we should be doing the same here. Most of the general public's gripes with American politics - having no choice/representation and a just-about-useless Congress - has entirely to do with FPTP and separation of powers. It's something most everyone would get on board with.
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Nov 2, 2015 19:44
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Xelkelvos posted:Without some of the people on the list admitting to and/or screaming denials about their presence on the list, I'm not sure there's a way to confirm or deny the names on the list as of right now. I'd imagine larger news orgs will probably dive into the list or pull some connections with actual KKK members (undercover or otherwise) to check if the list is real. As of right now, it's not legit, but it's probably also not not legit. That list is on par with old BBS anarchy.txt files in how short and pointless it is. There's nothing to it at all.
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Joementum posted:He should have run an earlier campaign promising to create a time machine because then, when he was elected, it just would have happened. Ah the Bill and Ted paradox, that'd be a hell of a campaign.
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Nov 2, 2015 19:56
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The Iron Rose posted:Which is great, the entire system is build upon slow, moderate change in one direction or another and I have no problem with more radical candidates being effectively shut out of the political process. Are we sure this guy isn't MIGF?
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Chokes McGee posted:Louisvillian here. I'm utterly terrified about the election tomorrow because literally no one I know is even aware of it. Conway's campaign did something really smart and posted huge "VOTE!" signs in the most liberal strongholds (I.e. Bardstown Rd), but otherwise, I got one reminder from the ground game and I'm not even 100% convinced it wasn't just some guy in the neighborhood and not a campaign volunteer. What I'm worried about is democrats are usually a bit more educated so they know about things like 538. 538 has lately really reinforced the idea that polls don't lie. However, that's largely only true at the federal level. States and locals tend to be screwier because there are a lot less data points. So will democrats stay at home knowing Conway has it in the bag? They had better loving not because the republican is literally worse than Walker/Brownback. I'm moving to Louisville soon, so don't gently caress me on this one Kentucky.
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, “The main thing I would say is that nothing’s free. If someone offers you something for free, treat it as if they’re offering you heroin and think about the repercussions of what is free and what is a drug, an addicting drug like heroin and the ramifications of that. There’s nothing free. It just means somebody else is gonna pay for it, you don’t see them. So the plumber, the welder, the carpenter, the people who don’t go to college are being asked to pay for your education.” ~ Rand Paul, on public education. "You should have taken the opportunity to talk about how heroin should be legal!" "Shut up dad"
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SedanChair posted:"You should have taken the opportunity to talk about how heroin should be legal!"
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Grouchio posted:Speaking of TURKEYS, could the US possibly go to war with said country in the future provided Erdogan becomes as dickish as Assad or Putin?
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Nov 2, 2015 20:28
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Vox's podcast the Weeds talked a lot about gerrymandering and election design. Matt Yglesias also talks about his piece on the short term issues with the democratic party. I recommend listening to it: http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/voxs-the-weeds/e/41059344?autoplay=true
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Ladies and Gentlemen, your Liberal Media: http://www.ibtimes.com/msnbc-hosts-who-went-palm-springs-koch-junket-score-historic-koch-interview-2165269
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quote:@ppppolls: Jindal>Bush in our new Iowa poll  His rollout of the new slogan "Jeb can fix it" isn't cutting it apparently.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:That list is on par with old BBS anarchy.txt files in how short and pointless it is. There's nothing to it at all. The November 5 list will probably be more complete and should have enough to determine the full veracity of the list. I'd assume that Anon themselves believes it's legit since there's nothing in it for the group to undermine themselves as a whole. If a few of them seek to tank the whole, however, this is probably the way to do it beyond an outright outing of other members.
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Nov 2, 2015 20:42
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So who's going to become governor of Kentucky, Conway or Bevin?
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Rhesus Pieces posted:
Talk ablut embarrassing.
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Xelkelvos posted:The November 5 list will probably be more complete and should have enough to determine the full veracity of the list. I'd assume that Anon themselves believes it's legit since there's nothing in it for the group to undermine themselves as a whole. If a few of them seek to tank the whole, however, this is probably the way to do it beyond an outright outing of other members. Anyone can put whatever they want online and say they're from Anonymous.
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Carson is here in town doing a booksigning today but I have no desire whatsoever to go.
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mcmagic posted:Ladies and Gentlemen, your Liberal Media: How gracious of the most visible of the American House of Lords to actually involve themselves with the people. e: I just want to mention how much I love this old political cartoon, and especially the fact it's still completely accurate: 
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Nov 2, 2015 20:49
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Rhesus Pieces posted:
I can't help but think of the British tv-show Jim'll Fix It.
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Old James posted:I can't help but think of the British tv-show Jim'll Fix It. That and Bob the Builder cliches.
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Nov 2, 2015 20:55
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How many times a day do you think Jeb mutters "It wasn't supposed to be like this" under his breath?
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Jeb is going to go the same way as Karl Rove and won't believe he's not President until the Secret Service physically bars him from the White House.
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zoux posted:How many times a day do you think Jeb mutters "It wasn't supposed to be like this" under his breath? Also, a crosspost: Jagchosis posted:btw jeb! bush said he had never seen the slides that got leaked until the press reported them lol Each scenario is sadder than the other one, it's the infinite sadness of Jeb!
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zoux posted:How many times a day do you think Jeb mutters "It wasn't supposed to be like this" under his breath? None. Bush is absolutely convinced that he's killing it in personal appearances, and that between that and the crowd's he's drawing, he'll be just fine in the election. Sure, he looks like a fool on national TV and all the editorial cartoons are showing him as a sagging deflating flaccid man, but everyone he knows says he's doing a great job, so it must be true!
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Jeb! is what rear end in a top hat Boomers and Gen-Xers think Millennials are like with their supposed "everybody gets a trophy" and "I expect to get what I think I deserve right now" attitudes. He seems like a guy that has coasted through life to great success but thought he did it through his own ability. Now he is finally in a situation where he can't just show up and get a reward and it really hasn't clicked for him yet. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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Nov 2, 2015 21:08
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Man, it's too bad Scott Walker couldn't get in on the candidates' collective petition for better working conditions.
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zoux posted:How many times a day do you think Jeb mutters "It wasn't supposed to be like this" under his breath? He just looks drained now. Every photo of him lately has a middle-distance stare and a fake smile like someone's jamming a gun into his back. Does anyone think he's gonna stick with this if he starts polling in Scott Walker territory and gets demoted to the kiddie debate?
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Fried Chicken posted:Man, it's too bad Scott Walker couldn't get in on the candidates' collective petition for better working conditions. god drat
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Rhesus Pieces posted:He just looks drained now. Every photo of him lately has a middle-distance stare and a fake smile like someone's jamming a gun into his back. It's one thing to be in the middle of the pack behind Trump/Carson and still be at the main debates, it's another to be in the lowest dregs with Bobby Jindal, Rick Santorum, and Lindsey "I literally won a debate by showing up half drunk, making jokes, and talking about bombing people a lot" Graham.
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Rollofthedice posted:So who's going to become governor of Kentucky, Conway or Bevin? Late October polls have Conway in the lead, but turnout is going to be very low, which favors Republicans. I still favor Conway, but mostly due to the fractional nature of the Republican primary and Bevin's outsider status. Then again I'm from New England.
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