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Private Speech posted:e: no seriously I have no idea but I don't want to be embarrassed and close some doors in future or lose time with it or something, like the first two obviously want EEs and the third says that 1-3 years of industry experience is essential. ignore 1-3 yrs things, most of the time that's hr being dopey. if it really is a hard line hr will bin your resume before anyone important sees it Private Speech posted:Could I apply for something like Junior <whatever> yes. juniors are assumed to be useless wastes of space until they are trained/seasoned by hellfire. many places will hire you if you are able to talk about programming like it's a thing you actually want to do also don't turn your nose up at webdev. job experience involving programming >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything else w.r.t. getting a job programming e: beaten like a rented mule Brain Candy fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Nov 4, 2015 |
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Private Speech posted:Could I apply for something like this? no-one will remember if you applied and were knocked back. you are the only person who will ever care about being rejected from a job job adverts are descriptions of what people are looking for but not what they will settle for. i'd wager the biggest problem here is that you're applying for jobs which are likely university or university related (oxford) so you may find your lack of nepotism the biggest obstacle here. if you're desperate and have no moral qualms, there's always working in the city/finance if you're that terrified of webdev. i'd flippantly suggest looking in test or build automation/systems because frankly no other fucker will touch that unless they are desperate
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brother i wish you luck. isn't linkedin more of a thing in the UK than most everywhere? also my current job happened with an ex-professor/now boss who i was emailing just looking for more school project functional requirements to get more resume fun points. probably horrible advice but try past contacts who know your abilities?
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tef posted:congratulations on your degree: most of the things you have specialised and worked in for the last couple of years have turned out to be only of interest to a few uk based companies. I'm actually in Oxford right now because of that, and I'm willing to move just about everywhere (no honestly I'm serious, even eastern europe but if there are only a few uk companies and a lot of competition in embedded stuff there are none and there's no competition in eastern europe, because all the actual programming is done by (mostly) french expat programmers and local cs grads only really do outsourced IT support). Also I worked for ARM in Cambridge and did the healthcare stuff abroad. And I seriously can't afford London, as in not even enough to pay for temporary accommodation there. tef posted:my advice? i would recommend ensuring your EU work status is prominent because (if it isn't obvious enough) we are quite racist here. I'm trying to do that very much, thankfully I'm really good at adapting to accents (some people hate that about me) and a lot of people think I'm a Brit, even if they know me for a while (including a person I worked with for several months) quote:the best advice i could give, honestly? nepotism. i'd go and ask people who still talk to you from the internships you did at arm, not yospos. quote:if you don't have any nepotism, this might help in getting your foot in the door in london I signed up for that website long time ago but there doesn't seem to be a lot of opportunities there, I'm seriously bad at front-end stuff it's not just that I don't want to do it. I mean I probably can, I've briefly used Jquery and Django and Scala and Apache but I was bad at it and there's a lot of competition Private Speech fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Nov 4, 2015 |
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Nov 4, 2015 05:53
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Private Speech posted:I've only done 2 internships before (at ARM doing driver-testing-related stuff, and at a health device startup doing embedded stuff) Based on all that you should have no problem putting together a pretty sweet CV, especially if you want to do embedded. If you aren't having much luck with online applications you could go ~networking~ at a nerd convention. Find some people doing interesting stuff and talk tech poo poo until they offer you a job. Worked for me.
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ps the covering letter is - how you found the job - who you are - why you are interested in the company (lie) - why the company is interested in you. - any pertinent information (clearance, work visas, drivers license, etc) try to be original at best and short at worst. make reference to anything in the cv the cv is - here is a checklist of things i will answer questions about when asked in an interview to demonstrate my knowledge, skills, and experience - some of these things have a reputation preceding them, i may be asked to talk about the institutions or structure of which i learned in when you're a junior you often want to have - aspirational drive and bullshit (i want to change the world, this is why i'm a snowflake, etc) - a list of skills i have used in the past with proficiency and thus could learn them again if asked. - a list of things unrelated to your computer stuff because you haven't really done enough of it - a list of frameworks or tools i have heard of and read the manual for so they won't have to be explained to me on the job each company will have a different interview culture, for example, fb/google, tend to have long and drawn out interviews with a varying amount of structure wherein they ask you to recount how to reverse a linked list in constant space. my advice for these problems; - ignore the constraints and write a slow but correct version to demonstrate you understood the question. say this out loud if you need to or in the form of a question "Can I write a simpler version first to make sure I understood the problem? i'll then go on to add the things you need one by one" - write a skeleton first of your code and flesh it out. this is a checklist of what you have to fill in. - one line does one thing, one variable does one thing, very verbose, very explicit, very deliberate code If they say "Would you write code like this normally?" you can respond with: No, I'd use a keyboard / I'd write a test first / Is this how you do pairing?" depending on how snarky you're feeling all of the answers involve some algorithmic trick, and you're expected to come up with this in ~15 minutes despite there being fourteen years between merge sort and quick sort. they get pissed when you use hash tables to do things in constant time. often the trick is: do the process once to gather information, do the process again with that information to work out the solution. or process the list forwards then backwards. meanwhile, finance/old money tend to like suits and degrees from oxford/cambridge. on the other hand, startups do not really care about EU citizenship as they reckon they can pay you less and you won't mind or notice. there's a plethora of non uk europeans in tech jobs, mostly white and male. the trick with startups is often to be casual and confident. like "hey let's go for coffee" which is startup talk for "i would like to talk business and money with you at some point". go around the startup job fair and chat to these people and see if they're hiring. you will end up being interviewed in a coffee shop. they have fast turnaround on hiring too.
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travelling wave posted:If you aren't having much luck with online applications you could go ~networking~ at a nerd convention. Find some people doing interesting stuff and talk tech poo poo until they offer you a job. Worked for me. local meetups, startup fairs. your job luck is a function on how many people you know and talk to. Private Speech posted:I'm actually in Oxford right now because of that, and I'm willing to move just about everywhere well anywhere you can afford to go to interview, if they don't cover flights. Private Speech posted:And I seriously can't afford London, as in not even enough to pay for temporary accommodation there. this is where the whole "not burning bridges" thing comes in and asking someone you know for a sofa. i do know someone who lived in a tent for the first couple of weeks in london, but i wouldn't advocate it. it's possible to commute to london from oxford (train or oxford tube) until you can afford to move. Private Speech posted:I don't really have nepotisms there (people liked me but my exit interview said I was unprofessional for reasons), I had three sorta nepotistic offers from uni but I turned them down b/c I was depressed and miserable and needed a break and I haven't even graduated at that time anyway, and I think I pretty much pissed the people off welp. quote:I signed up for that website long time ago but there doesn't seem to be a lot of opportunities there, I'm seriously bad at front-end stuff it's not just that I don't want to do it. I mean I probably can, I've briefly used Jquery and Django and Scala and Apache but I was bad at it and there's a lot of competition i do have to ask what thread you've been reading to get the idea that most of us enjoy programming for money?
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pepito sanchez posted:brother i wish you luck. isn't linkedin more of a thing in the UK than most everywhere? i do not know anyone who has found a job successfully through it in the UK. i know recruiters who like it
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tef posted:i do have to ask what thread you've been reading to get the idea that most of us enjoy programming for money? i dislike it the least of any job i've had. does that count?
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tef could you have a look at my CV if I send it to you via PM? I d have to sorry to be so much bother
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there might be some typos I need to get some sleep before I go through it again, it's morning now here
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tef posted:i do not know anyone who has found a job successfully through it in the UK. i know recruiters who like it LinkedIn is great if you have experience
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Malcolm XML posted:LinkedIn is great if you have experience Its also a great way to not feel lonely if you do anything related to programming as recruiters and other scum cant stop contacting you.
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Malcolm XML posted:LinkedIn is great if you have experience don't know about europeanstan, but when i was planning my move to dc i got 5 automation qa offers through glassdoor and maybe 1 through linkedin also i noticed the companies that recruit through glassdoor will actually care about employee feedback since their potential recruits immediately go to the company reviews
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Charlie Mopps posted:Its also a great way to not feel lonely if you do anything related to programming as recruiters and other scum cant stop contacting you. if your tired of the spam just change your name to a woman's and then you'll get a fifth of the spam and maybe even go 6 or 7 months without a single message 
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Slurps Mad Rips posted:if your tired of the spam just change your name to a woman's and then you'll get a fifth of the spam and maybe even go 6 or 7 months without a single message 
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terrible pl nerd update: met daniel friedman today and didn't realise who he was. "what do you do?" "oh I'm a professor and have written some books like the little schemer series" he was really nice
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Malcolm XML posted:LinkedIn is great if you have experience Yep, got my current job ( in uk ) via the company contacting me directly on linkedin. Still get a direct inquiry a month through it. If you're starting out its worth hitting up a few tech recruiters as they will have a good idea of whats available in your area.
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VikingofRock posted:i had never really thought about the fact that being a woman on a job website in san jose gets you less responses than being a man on a dating website in san jose what? all the women I know in professional jobs get plenty of offers thrown their way. Of course it's rare if you have a hard-mode career path like writer/artist but I'd assume those opportunities are equally bad for any gender.
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i should clarify i get fewer of the automated "i took your first name and pumped it into a template as a mass mailing system" recruitment emails. MeruFM posted:what? all the women I know in professional jobs get plenty of offers thrown their way. i also get fewer messages if i dont put a profile picture and considering my face looks like it was dragged via horse drawn carriage through SOMA and curb stomped by the bourgeois until it looked like gluten-free non-gmo artisanal hamburger helper served on 7 dollar toast, ive opted to just not have one until i can afford to undo gods mistakes. this makes me just not show up for some recruiters searches so i get a bob ross effect in my inbox compared to the raft of the méduse it represented before.
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Slurps Mad Rips posted:i should clarify i get fewer of the automated "i took your first name and pumped it into a template as a mass mailing system" recruitment emails. well thats depressing
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marketing guys asked for multiple language support to be baked into a product a year after launch. told my boss we were out of codespace and committed to the samuel l jackson approach. got a good laugh
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Slurps Mad Rips posted:i also get fewer messages if i dont put a profile picture and considering my face looks like it was dragged via horse drawn carriage through SOMA and curb stomped by the bourgeois until it looked like gluten-free non-gmo artisanal hamburger helper served on 7 dollar toast, ive opted to just not have one until i can afford to undo gods mistakes. this makes me just not show up for some recruiters searches so i get a bob ross effect in my inbox compared to the raft of the méduse it represented before. that really sucks I didn't realize profile picture or other non-work related details could change the situation so much. I never had a picture either for similar reasons, but I have a male name, although one that would be ridiculed up to middle school.
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Slurps Mad Rips posted:i also get fewer messages if i dont put a profile picture and considering my face looks like it was dragged via horse drawn carriage through SOMA and curb stomped by the bourgeois until it looked like gluten-free non-gmo artisanal hamburger helper served on 7 dollar toast, ive opted to just not have one until i can afford to undo gods mistakes. this makes me just not show up for some recruiters searches so i get a bob ross effect in my inbox compared to the raft of the méduse it represented before. your face looks good
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Suspicious Dish posted:your face looks good the flashing eyes creep me out a little though
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gonadic io posted:the flashing eyes creep me out a little though if you don't automatically swipe right when you see an alaskan husky with strobe light eyes i dont even know hwat to tell you
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Slurps Mad Rips posted:i also get fewer messages if i dont put a profile picture and considering my face looks like it was dragged via horse drawn carriage through SOMA and curb stomped by the bourgeois until it looked like gluten-free non-gmo artisanal hamburger helper served on 7 dollar toast, ive opted to just not have one until i can afford to undo gods mistakes. this makes me just not show up for some recruiters searches so i get a bob ross effect in my inbox compared to the raft of the méduse it represented before. wow that sucks. i didnt know that profile pictures affected how many responses you got. if you have a feminine name that also seems to contribute to it. i know people who are on my level and the women without profile pictures but with feminine names tend to get less emails than people with gender-neutral and masculine names. it's a no win situation.
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Nitrocat posted:wow that sucks. i didnt know that profile pictures affected how many responses you got. if you have a feminine name that also seems to contribute to it. i know people who are on my level and the women without profile pictures but with feminine names tend to get less emails than people with gender-neutral and masculine names. it's a no win situation. I didn't know it was so bad out there. By us there's a pretty substantial population of female and trasngendered developers. I'd say maybe 30% of our developers don't fall under the category of cisgendered male. I recognize that's still not the ideal, given 51% of the population is female, but it's certainly better than how the rest of the software industry is doing. The thing is, I had always assumed there were fewer women in software because of structural inequalities in the education system (girls aren't encouraged to go into "technical" professions, can experience social pressure in secondary and postsecondary school to avoid "geeky" subjects, etc), rather than that there was such a ridiculous hiring bias.
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It's both, I think. Sexism exists in education, in hiring, and in the workforce itself. It's extremely disappointing.
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You'd think being genetically inferior was bad enough, but no, society has to pile on. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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any of you used mattermost for team chat? http://www.mattermost.org i quite like slack except that i need something self hosted, and this seems to do the job. my dev team currently uses a jabber server for basic group chat but we're keen for something a with more bells and whistles. was looking at hipchat server since we already use jira and confluence but it gets expensive when your team is bigger than ten people. yes i will just test it myself but you'll save me half a day if anyone has any dealbreakers to share
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gabensraum posted:any of you used mattermost for team chat? http://www.mattermost.org irc perhaps
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Sweeper posted:irc perhaps 18/f/cal
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:irc blows compared to hipchat for collab what? you don't need a bouncer or any of that poo poo. let your irc client live in a screen/tmux/whatever session in your vps, boom done
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