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There's also a difference between "the fights in this show are good, which makes for exciting action sequences" and "war and murder are unironically good and cool things IRL." 
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Droyer posted:I think war is bad AND robots are cool, personally That is really the approach I take with war fiction that is trying to be somewhat serious. Even in real life, I find tanks and warships and airplanes fascinating but I don't want to get caught up in all the "awesome!" mentality and ignore what these weapons were built for. It's also why I find most of Black library's 40k War porn uncomfortable because it is stripped of the irony that permeates the setting and just settles on bloodshed. A question wrt Origin Part 2: how is the english dub? Is Kirk Thornton still mumbling as he tries to sound like a hardass? Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Nov 4, 2015 |
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Nov 4, 2015 16:20
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I think taking it on a show by show basis is probably the best course of action. Mobile Suit Gundam's politics towards war are quite different than Gundam SEED's for example. I would argue they're much better too, and is one of the reasons I don't care for SEED as it exists in a very cynical post 9/11 approach to violence and intervention. Gundam, as well as all military sci-fi in general, exists under the banner of American military hegemony. In a Japanese context, the worst stuff tends to run the gamut from being dreadfully naive to outright pining for the days where their military could go out and kill a lot of people. I generally dislike military fighting machines of all sorts, fictional or otherwise, because it helps reinforce certain narratives that our defense industry would love to keep going. It's all usually based on a buncha horseshit too, as one could see if you've ever read any thread glorifying the A-10 on these forums or elsewhere. On the flip side, this interview with Tomino has an interesting quote about the 1/1 Odaiba statue in that he regards the big gaudy thing as a standard to peace because of its "toy colors". Now that's an interesting thought, as the last 2 decades of UC have very much tried to put the robots into a more "realistic" mode, or rather something that isn't a standard to any sort of peace but instead a piece of commodity fetishism that helps to make people think the JSDF should be remodeled into something a bit more aggressive or that the F-35 is not a tremendous waste of money, resources, and lives. TNG fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Nov 4, 2015 |
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Nov 4, 2015 17:05
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TNG posted:I think taking it on a show by show basis is probably the best course of action. Mobile Suit Gundam's politics towards war are quite different than Gundam SEED's for example. I would argue they're much better too, and is one of the reasons I don't care for SEED as it exists in a very cynical post 9/11 approach to violence and intervention. Gundam, as well as all military sci-fi in general, exists under the banner of American military hegemony. In a Japanese context, the worst stuff tends to run the gamut from being dreadfully naive to outright pining for the days where their military could go out and kill a lot of people. what if i just think big robots are cool to look at and a fun spectacle to see in action
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Nov 4, 2015 18:15
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Droyer posted:I think war is bad AND robots are cool, personally
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Nov 4, 2015 18:16
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the robots are the least interesting parts of the good gundam shows usually
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Nov 4, 2015 18:19
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Granted, you can't exactly sell "compelling characters" for money.
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Nov 4, 2015 18:21
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Level Slide posted:Granted, you can't exactly sell "compelling characters" for money. they actually have never tried very hard to offer character goods which is lame because there's a huge untapped market for it, they just wanna sell to the toy robot crowd more
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Nov 4, 2015 18:22
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Sharkopath posted:the robots are the least interesting parts of the good gundam shows usually i disagree, in the gundam shows i like i feel like it's generally pretty even between the visuals and the writing. sometimes i watch more for the visuals than the writing (gundam build fighters, unicorn)
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Nov 4, 2015 18:22
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the good gundam are turn a and war in the pocket
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Nov 4, 2015 18:24
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war in the pocket is entirely a character drama exploring a single dude and his relationship with a kid that looks up to him and you could excise the setting entirely and the story would be the same, and that universality is to its benefit
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Nov 4, 2015 18:25
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i watched like 10 episodes of turn a before finally conceding that it wasn't for me and stopping  not that it really matters unless you want to get into the semantic difference between "a good show" and "a show that i enjoy"
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Nov 4, 2015 18:26
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tbh the only reason i stuck out with turn a for 5 hours was because i liked the robots and setting a lot
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Nov 4, 2015 18:27
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Sharkopath posted:they actually have never tried very hard to offer character goods which is lame because there's a huge untapped market for it, they just wanna sell to the toy robot crowd more I wanna say they did some of that for SEED since it attracted a crowd that'd be into that? Might be misrembering tho But they haven't tried since then, definitely a missed opportunity there
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Nov 4, 2015 18:29
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Srice posted:I wanna say they did some of that for SEED since it attracted a crowd that'd be into that? Might be misrembering tho theres one big sochie figure and it sold out long ago and im not gonna pay 80 bucks for it now!!! mrgrgr
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Nov 4, 2015 18:31
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Sharkopath posted:theres one big sochie figure and it sold out long ago and im not gonna pay 80 bucks for it now!!! Dang, that sucks
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Nov 4, 2015 18:32
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g reco had towels and a few small keychain character figures that i remember which still isnt a lot
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Nov 4, 2015 18:33
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Srice posted:I wanna say they did some of that for SEED since it attracted a crowd that'd be into that? Might be misrembering tho They pushed character merch really hard for the SEED shows and it sold like gangbusters. They tried to bottle lightning again with 00 and do the same thing except it didn't do nearly as well; it wasn't coincidental that 00's endings were Pretty Boy Gundam Meister Fashion Catwalk followed by Pretty Boy Gundam Meisters Hanging Out On A Beach Giving Each Other Haircuts.
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Nov 4, 2015 18:33
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Kanos posted:They pushed character merch really hard for the SEED shows and it sold like gangbusters. They tried to bottle lightning again with 00 and do the same thing except it didn't do nearly as well; it wasn't coincidental that 00's endings were Pretty Boy Gundam Meister Fashion Catwalk followed by Pretty Boy Gundam Meisters Hanging Out On A Beach Giving Each Other Haircuts. i dont think actively planning around characters you can sell is the right mindset either because there's no real actual path to predict what makes a character popular, lots of the time people latch onto minor characters because of some small facet that they identify with. its better to just write a bunch of cool characters and see what happens.
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Nov 4, 2015 18:41
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I want Steer merch.
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Nov 4, 2015 19:00
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Sharkopath posted:i dont think actively planning around characters you can sell is the right mindset either because there's no real actual path to predict what makes a character popular, lots of the time people latch onto minor characters because of some small facet that they identify with. I agree with you, actually. I'm just saying that they most definitely have pushed character merch based around Gundam shows as a major part of their merchandising before.
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Nov 4, 2015 19:28
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I remember fondly the gundam wing boys and their image song album and man, they were the fujoshiest bait
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Nov 4, 2015 19:33
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Gundam Wing was the best Weiß Kreuz prequel ever.
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Nov 4, 2015 19:51
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For weird merch: You can get pens with Char and Amuro torsos on the top that salute to pop the writing bit out. There's a Haro with waggly ears, a Zaku head with a panning monoeye and a Z'Gok claw that opens up too. I think the dumbest thing I've seen is a LaPlace Box memo holder. Years ago when I ordered a robot damashii I got a Zeta mechanical pencil which is one year older than I am as a free bonus. I guess we just don't get to see a lot of the child-centric non-kit merch.
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Nov 4, 2015 19:54
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The gundam clock is the worst clock i've ever seen in my life
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Nov 4, 2015 20:00
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Hopefully there aren't any statues of a main character taking a poo poo in a transparent toilet.
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Nov 4, 2015 20:02
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Droyer posted:The gundam clock is the worst clock i've ever seen in my life good thing there's a Haro clock instead
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Nov 4, 2015 20:04
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DamnGlitch posted:I remember fondly the gundam wing boys and their image song album and man, they were the fujoshiest bait Gundam 00's group is pretty drat close lol.
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Nov 4, 2015 20:45
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Arcsquad12 posted:
Who does he play?
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Nov 5, 2015 01:18
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If he's ranma then yeah he's mumbly but I could make out what he was saying
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Nov 5, 2015 01:19
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today i learned: apparently in the dub of war in the pocket, bernie was voiced by david hayter
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Gyra_Solune posted:today i learned: apparently in the dub of war in the pocket, bernie was voiced by david hayter He was also Lupin in Castle of Cagliostro
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Nov 5, 2015 02:42
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Shinjobi posted:He was also Lupin in Castle of Cagliostro Gundam.... Alex?!
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Nov 5, 2015 02:47
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Bernie: Well, I think I can say with the utmost of certainty than love definitely doesn't bloom on the battlefield.
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EthanSteele posted:For weird merch: You can get pens with Char and Amuro torsos on the top that salute to pop the writing bit out. There's a Haro with waggly ears, a Zaku head with a panning monoeye and a Z'Gok claw that opens up too. I think the dumbest thing I've seen is a LaPlace Box memo holder. The colony drop tablet stand is the best worst merch:  The Garma's Funeral Speech stand is pretty excellent too: 
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Namtab posted:If he's ranma then yeah he's mumbly but I could make out what he was saying Oh good. I like Thornton as a voice actor, generally, but I prefer when he's given the chance to emote rather than his moody characters. He's great as Gato in 0083 but I never liked him in Samurai Champloo. The first Origin film he's half good (when he's shouting and staring down Kycellia Zabi) and half annoying (when he's in disguise at the nightclub)
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Nov 5, 2015 04:27
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That reminds me. In the Plot to Assassinate Gihren manga, don't they have a store selling Zeon model kits, with one of the best sellers being Zaku I models carrying gas grenades, primed and ready to murder civilians? Because that seems like the kind of store that would have a colony drop tablet stand.
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chiasaur11 posted:That reminds me. No it's the opposite. Almost no one buys the gas grenade one, so they use trying to buy it as a secret code. I think at least, I could be misremembering.
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TNG posted:I think taking it on a show by show basis is probably the best course of action. Mobile Suit Gundam's politics towards war are quite different than Gundam SEED's for example. I would argue they're much better too, and is one of the reasons I don't care for SEED as it exists in a very cynical post 9/11 approach to violence and intervention. Gundam, as well as all military sci-fi in general, exists under the banner of American military hegemony. In a Japanese context, the worst stuff tends to run the gamut from being dreadfully naive to outright pining for the days where their military could go out and kill a lot of people. MSG and its "spiritual successor" have clear ideas of war but what about Wing and 00, the other two most alike Gundams? You said show by show basis, after all. I never could understand what 00 was getting at, especially since CB's terrorism ended up working perfectly. Until Season 2 anyway.... Gyra_Solune posted:today i learned: apparently in the dub of war in the pocket, bernie was voiced by david hayter He was also Tamahome in Fushigi Yuugi. Sadly I don't think he liked being a voice-actor much and was just using it as a springboard into the business. Snake seems to have been the exception. Midjack posted:The Garma's Funeral Speech stand is pretty excellent too: I would buy this.
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Oh and there's a line of Haro themed scent spraying things. You know the things where you walk past them or press a button and it sprays out something that's called Summer Breeze or whatever. Anyway, those but it's a Haro and it's called Haromatherapy.
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