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Phoenixan posted:this thing damaged the gently caress out of my table and can't work worth a drat on the road because of how it charges and works as a tablet, but it looks like a tie! the most sense i can make out of their bad decisions here is that management really really wanted to make a good tablet-sized tablet, because gotta catch up with cupertino. but they've been forced to abandon surface rt, because terrible dumpster fire. instead of doing the sensible thing (giving up on thin light x86 tablets until intel gets its poo poo together), they built a lovely thin(-ish) x86 surface that gets only 3 hrs on battery (when said batter is brand new, expect loltastic life after a year or 2) and then tried to solve the obvious problems with that by adding the keyboard base. but now the tablet is kinda anchored to the base if you want to actually use it for anything and this makes it a giant pile of contradictory product ideas. sounds like it's mostly well engineered and polished, but if you want to actually out-apple apple, your flagship product has to be excellent at being one thing instead of jack of all and master of none also the hinge is fugly. would not be surprised if it's a thing that breaks a lot.
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univbee posted:his follow-up video with benchmarks showed the mbp blew it the gently caress away despite being a "slower" i7. it turns out, the surface book has a dual core i7, didn't know that was even a thing the top processor in the 13" macbook pro is an i7 too in fact i think all the comparisons to the mbp microsoft has made has a *13-inch model in 1pt font at the bottom lmao e: everything about the surface book seems like it was created with the sole purpose of trying to resolve the "awkward to use on your lap" complaint about the surface pro
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univbee posted:his follow-up video with benchmarks showed the mbp blew it the gently caress away despite being a "slower" i7. it turns out, the surface book has a dual core i7, didn't know that was even a thing it's been a thing for like 4 or 5 years, i think it was sandy bridge where intel introduced low power dual-core i7 for ultrabooks
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BobHoward posted:it's been a thing for like 4 or 5 years, i think it was sandy bridge where intel introduced low power dual-core i7 for ultrabooks my haswell one has an i7, 4578U i think not all that common
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lol just watched the vid. amazing that you keep having to keep in mind that the surfacebook is actually more expensive, so you can't even go on the "b-b-b-but crapple tax!!" defense
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carry on then posted:the top processor in the 13" macbook pro is an i7 too yeah, he wanted to get a 13" to do the comparison with but the apple store was out of stock and then the video goes on and he benchmarks his "business desktops" he uses for his photography business (1 was as slow as the Surface Book, the other was slightly faster than the Macbook) and they're $4000 alienware machines 
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PleasureKevin posted:there are, and they're huge. there's two rubber feet that each run the whole width of the keyboard.
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PleasureKevin posted:the more you think about it, the worse this gets. want to pack light for an over-night trip by leaving the keyboard at home? sorry, you can't charge the tablet part without the keyboard cause the power connector is on the keyboard. which would be fine if the battery life was 10 hours like the iPad, but it's only 3. wait, what? both the tablet part and the keyboard part have SurfaceConnect ports; the tablet's SurfaceConnect can't charge the tablet?
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pseudorandom name posted:SurfaceConnect lol
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if you think that's bad, they don't call it a tablet, it is Clipboard Clipboard attaches to a keyboard
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anthonypants posted:that's correct. unless the base is plugged in, the tablet won't charge. and there's no power outlet on the tablet. but you can flip the screen around and plug it in and use it that way, but lol why would anyone do that no, you don't understand. the charging/data port on the keyboard is a Surface Connect port. the data port that connects the tablet to the keyboard is a Surface Connect port. you're telling me that you can plug the power adapter into the Surface Connect port on the tablet and the tablet won't charge.
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pseudorandom name posted:no, you don't understand.
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guess it is a thing you can do looks p weird though
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of course it looks weird, the charge cable was designed by idiots
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this thing is a piece of poo poo
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and also superfluous considering its competing with the surface for literally the same market
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anthonypants posted:that's what everyone says i think what he was saying was that it wouldn't siphon power from the base's batteries to recharge the tablet
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political correctness does what
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PleasureKevin posted:is there anything cool you can do with these, like are there any good apps for windows still? the rt2 is marginally good enough to be your nightstand computer if you aimlessly browse webpages and watch video and that's it you can get refurb airs for ~300 though and i bet a refurb surface 3 w/o kb has to be in the 3-400 range and they work with the much better keyboard from this year so idk who these are for like, a kid can get a $50 fire to watch cartoons on prime maybe a cookbook tablet but they're the wrong ratio
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Nov 8, 2015 04:37
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PleasureKevin posted:the more you think about it, the worse this gets. want to pack light for an over-night trip by leaving the keyboard at home? sorry, you can't charge the tablet part without the keyboard cause the power connector is on the keyboard. y... you're kidding me right? quote:which would be fine if the battery life was 10 hours like the iPad, but it's only 3. lol stfu no it wouldn't
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i also learned from holding one that you can't be running photoshop and detach it into tablet mode if you have the one with the gpu. you have to save your work, close photoshop, detach tablet, reopen photoshop
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Phoenixan posted:i also learned from holding one that you can't be running photoshop and detach it into tablet mode if you have the one with the gpu. you have to save your work, close photoshop, detach tablet, reopen photoshop lol
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Phoenixan posted:i also learned from holding one that you can't be running photoshop and detach it into tablet mode if you have the one with the gpu. you have to save your work, close photoshop, detach tablet, reopen photoshop 
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Nov 8, 2015 05:39
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Phoenixan posted:i also learned from holding one that you can't be running photoshop and detach it into tablet mode if you have the one with the gpu. you have to save your work, close photoshop, detach tablet, reopen photoshop holy poo poo is this true
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this is naturally all adobe's fault so maybe we'll see a fix with cc 2016
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Phoenixan posted:when you press the button to detach, it waits for programs using the gpu to stop using the gpu tbh it's a small miracle that Windows itself can handle hotplugging pci express devices without a bsod
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Phoenixan posted:when you press the button to detach, it waits for programs using the gpu to stop using the gpu does it at least tell you what's using your gpu
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Phoenixan posted:guess it is a thing you can do I think it would be cool to have a device like a Cintiq to draw digitally on the go but ever since the first surface Microsoft has been cheaping out and getting cheap piece of poo poo digitizer pens so so much for that cool niche feature I guess.
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Dubstep Jesus posted:does it at least tell you what's using your gpu something to look into if i win a surfacebook with my bingbux
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lol my get-wandows10-cheap adventure continues. just finished running all the updates to w7sp1 in my vm and somehow the "please upgrade now oh god our adoption rate is abysmal" nagware isn't even working. the relevant kb#s are installed but i don't have poo poo in my systray pestering me to upgrade, v disappointed
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uncurable mlady posted:tbh it's a small miracle that Windows itself can handle hotplugging pci express devices without a bsod looking at thunderbolt it causes a bsod 80% of the time
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i feel bad for the fstoppers guy, because for some reason he's obviously been told to say nice things about the surface book, but the MBP floors it in terms of design and performance and he's absolutely struggling to find a reason to buy it. "this is exciting tech and you can draw on the screen" isn't really cutting it when you didn't even cover the stylus part, but isn't that based on old lovely tech that the iPad Pro blows out the water at a fraction of the cost anyway?
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