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SynthOrange posted:When will we be free of these stupid vampires. 
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Sigma-X posted:I will never understand why people hate The Punisher as a comic book character. Like, his vigilantism is SUPER BAD and we should hate him because in real life it would be loving terrible, meanwhile some loving dude in a cape gets the city wrecked every other week and everyone is like "he's so cool because he never kills anyone (except for all those people underneath him) but if that happened even once it would be full out nuclear war on that guy because every battle would be a 9/11 sized tragedy at best and would make Katrina look like it was handled intelligently. Are you quoting the pitch ennis made for the boys?
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Nov 9, 2015 14:23
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SynthOrange posted:When will we be free of these stupid vampires. All vampires are stupid, it's contractual. I mean, why else would they think spelling their names backwards would fool anyone?
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Nov 9, 2015 16:12
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Ape Has Killed Ape posted:So being wreathed in plasma has no effect, but getting hit by a baseball bat equals major ouchies. 
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Nov 9, 2015 16:33
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darthbob88 posted:
Wouldn't ash be better because vampires are vulnerable to ash stakes?
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Nov 9, 2015 17:22
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Discendo Vox posted:The dudes in capes normally don't kill people as a side effect of their day to day fights. While this is a writing convention and a handwave, it's well-established. Superman et al aren't generally killing people as a side effect- and when that does happen, it's a huge deal. In fact, that was the thing that started Marvel's Civil War storyline- for once, a bunch of people died in a super powered fight, and suddenly people started thinking it'd be better if super heroes were registered (for accountability) and trained (to make it happening again less likely). That somehow turned into "everyone with powers, even if they're not using them to fight and have no intention of doing so, gets drafted into a super powered National Guard," but it started out as a look at what happens if superheroes cause more than just property damage.
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Nov 9, 2015 17:39
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redbackground posted:In the original Punisher 2099 comics, his Power Bat had some kind of variable setting thing where he could instantly change the bat's density, "depending on the level of punishment required". I unironically think Punisher 2099 is the best version of the character.
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Nov 9, 2015 18:32
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Uthor posted:Wouldn't ash be better because vampires are vulnerable to ash stakes?  , which a baseball bat wouldn't be much good for. On the other hand, it is near universally agreed that vampires are vulnerable to having their heads knocked clean off their shoulders by somebody swinging for the rafters.
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Nov 9, 2015 18:34
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Is it too late to talk about favourite Punisher moments because mine is the issue when he gets his skin colour turned black and teams up with Luke Cage 
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Nov 9, 2015 18:54
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:I unironically think Punisher 2099 is the best version of the character. The thirty-six...caliber page is legit one of the best examples of comic book writing ever done
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Nov 9, 2015 18:58
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Madkal posted:Is it too late to talk about favourite Punisher moments because mine is the issue when he gets his skin colour turned black and teams up with Luke Cage Did they at least get the money, honey?
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Nov 9, 2015 18:58
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:I unironically think Punisher 2099 is the best version of the character. 
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Nov 9, 2015 19:33
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AnonSpore posted:The thirty-six...caliber page is legit one of the best examples of comic book writing ever done What is this caliber thing??
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Nov 9, 2015 19:39
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Toadstrieb posted:What is this caliber thing?? It's goddamned awesome is what it is 
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Nov 9, 2015 19:42
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Minarchist posted:It's goddamned awesome is what it is What makes it better for me is that I keep reading Frank's lines with a Alvin and Chipmunks voice in my head.
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Nov 9, 2015 19:44
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"You'd better stay on the right side of the law" said Oblivious Q. Murderguns to Luke Cage
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Nov 9, 2015 19:50
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Minarchist posted:It's goddamned awesome is what it is Thank you for answering, but I basically wish I hadn't asked. Jesus Christ.
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Nov 9, 2015 19:53
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Minarchist posted:It's goddamned awesome is what it is So is this one of those panels that's supposed to be taken seriously, or is it meant to be a joke about how phenomenally out of touch Frank is?
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Nov 9, 2015 19:55
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Keeshhound posted:So is this one of those panels that's supposed to be taken seriously, or is it meant to be a joke about how phenomenally out of touch Frank is? Yes.
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Nov 9, 2015 19:56
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Keeshhound posted:So is this one of those panels that's supposed to be taken seriously, or is it meant to be a joke about how phenomenally out of touch Frank is? edit: 
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Nov 9, 2015 19:57
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Keeshhound posted:So is this one of those panels that's supposed to be taken seriously, or is it meant to be a joke about how phenomenally out of touch Frank is? To give the serious answer everyone's dancing around (because context is boring), there was a subplot in Punisher 2099 where it seemed like the new guy was somewhat possessed by Frank's ghost (or maybe Judge Dredd), but I don't recall if it was ever resolved what the truth was. A lot of 2099 seemed to be like that (admittedly, I've only read Punisher 2099 and Doom 2099).
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Nov 9, 2015 20:39
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I dunno, I liked most of Punisher Max. That was a good take on him up until it got really stupid towards the end. The Punisher as a relentless avatar of death that's more like a force of nature you watch utterly annihilate everyone retarded enough to try him on, and you only root for him because the people he turns his sights on are even worse than he is.
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Nov 9, 2015 20:39
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That falls flat for me, at least, because you've got to get truly, cartoonishly evil ideas about street level crime to think those people are worse than the Punisher so you can feel good about watching him murder people by the dozens. It's like Death Wish, it's a gross, Reagan-Era power fantasy that exists in the same world as Captain America and Spider-Man.
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Nov 9, 2015 20:58
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:I unironically think Punisher 2099 is the best version of the character. You would be unironically correct.
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Nov 9, 2015 21:29
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Travis343 posted:That falls flat for me, at least, because you've got to get truly, cartoonishly evil ideas about street level crime to think those people are worse than the Punisher so you can feel good about watching him murder people by the dozens. It's like Death Wish, it's a gross, Reagan-Era power fantasy that exists in the same world as Captain America and Spider-Man.
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Nov 9, 2015 21:53
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Avulsion posted:Punisher MAX was a great book not because of the excessive violence, but because of how well it conveyed the concept that Frank Castle is not a Hero. He's a monster every bit as bad as the people he kills, sometimes worse. Killing bad guys doesn't make him one of the good guys.
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Nov 9, 2015 21:53
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Frank owns but goddamn he's a broken soul in MAX  He's just lashing out at everything he can justify to himself what he does is right. That he's not a bad person. That he has a reason to live.
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Nov 9, 2015 22:19
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I had to straight up stop reading that eyeroll worthy childish bullshit from Ennis, particularly The Boys. It nearly ruined Preacher for me too but at least I got through that. This is why I always chuckle when people go "ANIME", like the American comic industry is full of lovely misogynistic creepo rear end in a top hat writers. It really is a "URHHH THESE COMICS ARE ASIAAAAAAAN" sitch. Like say what you will but at least creepo douchebags like Frank Miller and Mark Millar and Garth Ennis aren't major figures of manga  Naoki Urasawa is way more likable and well-adjusted and cool than like, weird old grumpy Alan Moore.
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Nov 9, 2015 22:23
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TheFallenEvincar posted:I had to straight up stop reading that eyeroll worthy childish bullshit from Ennis, particularly The Boys. It nearly ruined Preacher for me too but at least I got through that. like, I've seen American comics produce stupid poo poo like juvenile poo poo like Crossed but I don't think I've seen anyone produce a popular series as weird, creepy, racist, and nationalist as GATE.
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Nov 9, 2015 22:28
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Fabricated posted:manga has its own version of this in the authors/artists intentionally or unconsciously expressing xenophobia/racism/sexism
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Nov 9, 2015 22:31
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TheFallenEvincar posted:Yeah, that is a good point, I guess it's just about avoiding the lovely poo poo in both comic scenes. Man do I hate that whole Marc Millar/Garth Ennis comic book vibe though. Whatever you'd call the poo poo they do. edit: The irony of this is that currently in Japan one of the newest, most popular mangas for the tween/teen set is a superhero manga created explicitly to pay homage to American Cape comics, complete with a mentor figure who is literally drawn like a silver age American comic hero in comparison to the standard "anime" style of everyone else. Fabricated fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Nov 9, 2015 |
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Nov 9, 2015 22:33
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Fabricated posted:I'm not a huge American comic guy so I'm not familiar with most of Ennis' work outside of Punisher Max and a few other things but the impression I got is that Ennis really loving hates the poo poo out of superheroes, or rather the typical ideal of a superhero. He also writes a great Superman in Hitman.
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Nov 9, 2015 22:35
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Fabricated posted:I'm not a huge American comic guy so I'm not familiar with most of Ennis' work outside of Punisher Max and a few other things but the impression I got is that Ennis really loving hates the poo poo out of superheroes, or rather the typical ideal of a superhero. Link?
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bobkatt013 posted:He also writes a great Superman in Hitman. Of Thee I Sing is one of the best Superman issues out there. Edit: ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Hero_Academia
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Toshimo posted:Link? Don't get it twisted; it's still very anime/shounen (complete with a tournament arc) but there's a lot of winks and nods and outright references to American Comics (including a "Kal-El" Hero Office). Basically, think X-men, but 100+ years after the X Gene manifested in 80%+ of the population rather than 1%. Far less bleak. Typical school setup- think Xavier institute but with heroism being a legit job you can work towards.  Again- it's still very anime but it's a blast so far and has fantastic character designs and mutant powers. One of the later villains is basically a McFarlane badguy. 
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Nov 10, 2015 00:13
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Keeshhound posted:All vampires are stupid, it's contractual. I mean, why else would they think spelling their names backwards would fool anyone? "Wait...'Coachferatu'? Was-was he doing a bit? You're all looking at me like I'm the rear end in a top hat. Am I being an rear end in a top hat?"
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:I unironically think Punisher 2099 is the best version of the character. He's less of a psycho than regular Punisher.
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Ape Has Killed Ape posted:So being wreathed in plasma has no effect, but getting hit by a baseball bat equals major ouchies. So, clearly, Morlun is elementally weak to baseball, which means there's only one way to stop him. B..Batman?
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Is that Dr. Mid-Nite, wolverine, and Spider-Man in the bottom right panel?
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OptimusShr posted:Is that Dr. Mid-Nite, wolverine, and Spider-Man in the bottom right panel? Along with Supes, Ultraman, Devilman, and Kamen Rider (I think? Might be someone else on the top right of the panel there)
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