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Let's take a look at the great optics of the Mizzou protesters:quote:“I personally am tired of hearing that First Amendment rights protect students when they are creating a hostile and unsafe learning environment for myself and for other students here. I think that it’s important for us to create that distinction and create a space where we can all learn from one another and start to create a place of healing rather than a place where we are experiencing a lot of hate like we have in the past.” So says the student body vice president. How do you achieve the inclusive space for which where everyone can learn and heal together? By kicking out the white people, duh. Pretty loving obvious.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Republicans to court: "Invalidate net neutrality because we tried to pass a law restricting it, thus proving we never intended to let the FCC do so in 1996." Using legislative history to justify a court decision? IOKIYAR. Wouldn't the actions of Congress show the exact opposite? Congress trying to pass laws restricting the FCC means they believe the FCC may have that power currently and they want to remove/limit it.
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Nov 12, 2015 20:31
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DeusExMachinima posted:He tried so hard, and got so far, but in the eeeeend it doesn't even matter. Oh, shutup.
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Nov 12, 2015 20:31
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Let's take a look at the great optics of the Mizzou protesters: ComradeCosmobot posted:Republicans to court: "Invalidate net neutrality because we tried to pass a law restricting it, thus proving we never intended to let the FCC do so in 1996." Using legislative history to justify a court decision? IOKIYAR. JT Jag fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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Nov 12, 2015 20:32
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DeusExMachinima posted:Medicaid/care is one thing, but middle-class people's healthcare isn't my problem. So I guess I'm saying, good luck to CO or whatevs. Yeah, Obama has empathy for dead kids, what a stupid fucker. 
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Nov 12, 2015 20:38
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JT Jag posted:Uuugh. Yeah but that would be doing things and that's a good way to get primaried next election. Better safe than sorry.
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Nov 12, 2015 20:42
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:For those of you tut-tuting about Liberal PC Police: http://www.vox.com/2015/11/11/9715194/college-speech-censorship It's an interesting article and you should take time to sit down and read it to your strawman, but how is it relevant, other than to demonstrate that conservatives do stupid poo poo too? We're all very well aware.
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Nov 12, 2015 20:43
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Teflon Don posted:I'd like to see some evidence for this, if there is any at all that is. Your brain already does this in arguments about GMO's and poo poo. How is your brain trying to dehumanize the other side to protect itself not a reasonable thing to expect when you end up having to kill people in your day to day life?
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Nov 12, 2015 20:45
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Ohthehugemanatee posted:It's an interesting article and you should take time to sit down and read it to your strawman, but how is it relevant, other than to demonstrate that conservatives do stupid poo poo too? We're all very well aware. It's actually illustrating that assholes like Jonathan Chait weren't and aren't concerned about it. It's almost like they have a double standard or something  But hey, I guess it's easier for you to recoil into petty attempts to undermine a point than it is to actually engage about the topic and defend your views on the matter?
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Nov 12, 2015 20:46
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Conor Friedersdorf wrote what I thought was a pretty good response to that godawful New Yorker article on Yale and the University of Missouri. It's long enough that I'm not going to quote it into this thread, but if you read Jelani Cobb's piece you should definitely read this one too.
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Nov 12, 2015 20:47
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greatn posted:Isn't Colorado to small of a state for single payer to work? I thought the risk pools just aren't big enough in almost any single state. Colorado has 5.4 million people. That's more people than live in say, Norway or Ireland; and it's about the same people as live in Finland and Denmark. And by 2020, given current growth rates, it'll be bigger than both of those. Like sure, doing it in California would be even better with a risk pool of 39 million people, but 5.4 million people is certainly enough.
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Nov 12, 2015 20:48
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LGD posted:Conor Friedersdorf wrote what I thought was a pretty good response to that godawful New Yorker article on Yale and the University of Missouri. It's long enough that I'm not going to quote it into this thread, but if you read Jelani Cobb's piece you should definitely read this one too. No, he's still full of poo poo. Acceptance of racist Halloween costumes is pervasive and accepted racism and was only part of the loving point. He's just mad he got called out for being a tone-deaf rear end in a top hat. BI NOW GAY LATER fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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Nov 12, 2015 20:52
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Are we sure they're not just big KISS fans and they're blocking the KI on the flag? edit: That'll teach me to not refresh before posting.
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Nov 12, 2015 20:53
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http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/howard-university-braces-for-attack-after-chilling-racist-threat-its-not-murder-if-theyre-black/quote:e president of Howard University announced on Thursday that the school had increased security after receiving a racist death threat against all students.
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Nov 12, 2015 20:56
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Blowdryer posted:http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/howard-university-braces-for-attack-after-chilling-racist-threat-its-not-murder-if-theyre-black/
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Nov 12, 2015 21:01
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Blowdryer posted:http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/howard-university-braces-for-attack-after-chilling-racist-threat-its-not-murder-if-theyre-black/ Based on his usage of the 'I' vs. the "we" pronoun we can deduce that this is just another lone nut obviously so whatcha gonna do?
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Nov 12, 2015 21:03
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JT Jag posted:When I read that, my prevailing emotion isn't actually anger. It's pity. What does someone have to go through to end up with these worldviews? A mediocre life and Fox news.
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Nov 12, 2015 21:03
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Blowdryer posted:http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/howard-university-braces-for-attack-after-chilling-racist-threat-its-not-murder-if-theyre-black/ It was posted on /b/ of course. It's long gone now and I didn't save a screenshot.
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Nov 12, 2015 21:06
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Maybe Google, with their effort to associate Youtube channels with actual names, has a point about anonymity in the internet. The more anonymous a place is, the less accountable someone is, the more toxic it potentially becomes. Usernames are a happy medium: you're associating with what you say, even if you aren't using your actual name. But full anonymity like chanboards use allows people's id to come out.
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Nov 12, 2015 21:09
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Alligator Horse posted:I know you aren't replying to me but just to make clear, I posted the original article not to say 'lol Republican warmongers' but out of genuine wonder as to what factors--besides the obvious--color the politics of current and former members of the military. I think an issue here is that many states don't have party registration, and you need a bunch of rather young folks to be registered in the first place.
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Nov 12, 2015 21:10
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a shameful boehner posted:Colorado is going to put universal health care on the ballot next year: Didn't Vermont already try this and fail? EDIT: Woops, didn't even finish reading the quote. It'll be interesting to see a larger state tackle this, that's for sure.
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Nov 12, 2015 21:10
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Shageletic posted:Didn't Vermont already try this and fail?
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LGD posted:Conor Friedersdorf wrote what I thought was a pretty good response to that godawful New Yorker article on Yale and the University of Missouri. It's long enough that I'm not going to quote it into this thread, but if you read Jelani Cobb's piece you should definitely read this one too. lol quote:Defenders of the First Amendment aren’t distracting from attention from racism—they’re preserving the tools necessary to struggle against it. Yes, because it's the white bloggers and thinkpiece writers who have historically affected change, and not the people doing the actual, and often messy, on the ground work, or the journalists who actually report the real story and not this navel-gazing "am I, white blogger with a national platform, being silenced by critics?" nonsense. I also like how he opens with a school unsuccessfully trying to curb racism with speech codes which...I don't think Mizzou is atempting to do? Similarly, he decries "policing" of Halloween costumes as if trying to make people aware that wearing blackface is insensitive and lovely is really some kind of aggressive act of oppression. It's more of the same bullshit that equates minorities/liberal exercising their first amendment rights with creeping fascism. It's also silly how Friedersdorf tries to pull a "look at all the good opinions I've had about black issues" move to show that he couldn't possibly be engaging in behavior that minimizes the concerns of the Mizzou students. Cobb even acknowledges toward the end of his piece that these people like Friedersdorf are often not intentionally trying to minimize issues of racism, and yet Friedersdorf still manages to write a piece about how the big bad PC police are calling him a racist. quote:about Ferguson’s conspiracy against black residents; racial disparities in police killings; dangers of constructed white identity; the Campaign Zero agenda; the importance of declaring the Charleston attack to be racial terrorism; the long history of thugs attacking black churches; how video is confirming very old claims about prejudice against blacks; the brutality of police culture in Baltimore; radical experiments in converting racists; the importance of grappling with race, even imperfectly; Islamophobia and its deleterious effects; the perils of standing while Hispanic in the Bronx; the harassment of a black man tazed by a white police officer; carnage caused by drone strikes; the horrifying effects of profiling innocent Muslims, etc.  If you accidentally hit me in the face and I'm like "yo dawg maybe stop wildly swinging your arms around," and you call for the fainting couch because actually my response is the equivalent of labeling you a violent thug and calling for your arrest...that's kind of on you. Hulk Krogan fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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Nov 12, 2015 21:13
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:No, he's still full of poo poo. Acceptance of racist Halloween costumes is pervasive and accepted racism and was only part of the loving point. He's just mad he got called out for being a tone-deaf rear end in a top hat. Nah, he addresses all the salient points in the Cobb article. Were there any you feel he missed? He also might (or might not) be mad* about being called "tone deaf," but he actually addresses that accusation directly and constructs a cogent argument about why accusations of tone-deafness are beside the point. *though loving lol that you're needing to pull a "he mad" defense of the Cobb's article edit: Hulk Krogan posted:Yes, because it's the white bloggers and thinkpiece writers who have historically affected change, and not the people doing the actual, and often messy, on the ground work, or the journalists who actually report the real story and not this navel-gazing "am I, white blogger with a national platform, being silenced by critics?" LGD fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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Nov 12, 2015 21:14
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One of the big problems with establishing single payer in Vermont, which will also be a problem in Colorado is that states can't actually create a single payer system because large portions of the population are covered by the federal government under Medicare and Medicaid (along with a smaller portion on military benefits), which significantly decreases the size of the pool.
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Nov 12, 2015 21:18
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Joementum posted:One of the big problems with establishing single payer in Vermont, which will also be a problem in Colorado is that states can't actually create a single payer system because large portions of the population are covered by the federal government under Medicare and Medicaid (along with a smaller portion on military benefits), which significantly decreases the size of the pool. I wonder if a state could choose to broaden Medicare recipients if they picked up the remainder of the tab.
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Nov 12, 2015 21:20
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Joementum posted:One of the big problems with establishing single payer in Vermont, which will also be a problem in Colorado is that states can't actually create a single payer system because large portions of the population are covered by the federal government under Medicare and Medicaid (along with a smaller portion on military benefits), which significantly decreases the size of the pool. I figured as such. What about California or New York? Has any analysis been done of the feasibility of starting there?
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Nov 12, 2015 21:25
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JT Jag posted:When I read that, my prevailing emotion isn't actually anger. It's pity. What does someone have to go through to end up with these worldviews? BA in Criminal Justice usually.
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Nov 12, 2015 21:30
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Trying to paint someone you disagree with as an oversensitive moron is a bad practice and it's weird to see it being used in defense of the protests here instead of the traditional usage of attacking them.
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greatn posted:Isn't Colorado to small of a state for single payer to work? I thought the risk pools just aren't big enough in almost any single state. Any state could pull it off if they wanted to. Everyone is already paying for health care and the gov. is putting a ton of money in too... All you have to do is restructure the way pay people pay and cut out the profiteering. Simply recapture the money spent on health costs and bang, done. Then the Gov. gets to dictate pricing and protocol and you have a rocking system in place.
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JT Jag posted:I wonder if a state could choose to broaden Medicare recipients if they picked up the remainder of the tab.
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LGD posted:Conor Friedersdorf wrote what I thought was a pretty good response to that godawful New Yorker article on Yale and the University of Missouri. It's long enough that I'm not going to quote it into this thread, but if you read Jelani Cobb's piece you should definitely read this one too. Can we get a new thread for this college stuff so this thread isn't subjected to it's endless banality? Pohl fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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Nov 12, 2015 21:38
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Joementum posted:One of the big problems with establishing single payer in Vermont, which will also be a problem in Colorado is that states can't actually create a single payer system because large portions of the population are covered by the federal government under Medicare and Medicaid (along with a smaller portion on military benefits), which significantly decreases the size of the pool. I read through the budget analysis. Everyone would be covered under the single-payer system and they will ask the federal government for a block grant based on projected hypothetical reimbursement rates from Medicaid/Medicare/Tricare/VA if there were no single-payer in place. Assuming the federal government doesn't just tell them to pound sand, they're getting a pretty good deal out of this since the tab for the most expensive part of the pool (Medicare recipients) will be picked up by the federal government.
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Nov 12, 2015 21:44
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Pohl posted:Any state could pull it off if they wanted to. Everyone is already paying for health care and the gov. is putting a ton of money in too... The Vermont plan would have required an 11.5% payroll tax increase and had a 0-9.5% income-based deductible. It would not cover employees of small businesses unless the state decided to take on an additional $500m in cost, which would have required another 4% payroll tax increase. It also would have gone into deficit in the fourth year.
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The Phlegmatist posted:I read through the budget analysis. Everyone would be covered under the single-payer system and they will ask the federal government for a block grant based on projected hypothetical reimbursement rates from Medicaid/Medicare/Tricare/VA if there were no single-payer in place. Would block-granting that money require legislation? Because, if so....
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Nov 12, 2015 21:46
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Joementum posted:The Vermont plan would have required an 11.5% payroll tax increase and had a 0-9.5% income-based deductible. It would not cover employees of small businesses unless the state decided to take on an additional $500m in cost, which would have required another 4% payroll tax increase. It also would have gone into deficit in the fourth year. Oh poo poo. No I was talking about working within the system as it is, and changing it. Obviously there are a ton of barriers at the moment, but we could fund it no problem. With our current spending, we are more than funding it. Politically it is a shitshow, but yeah, we could do it no problem. That is what I meant.
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A Future Cop posted:“After all, it’s not murder if they’re black.” Sounds like this supposed "racist" is going by the same rules that law enforcement does. Seems like the real issue is why we have a double standard for civilians and police.
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Nov 12, 2015 21:53
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Another big problem with a state-based single payer system, which Colorado will also face, is that your healthcare plan benefit is considered income, but is excluded from federal income tax if it's paid for in certain ways, one of which is to take it out of payroll. That's why the Vermont plan relied on a payroll tax: it was the only way to make it so that there wouldn't be a federal income tax hike for all the plan's recipients. This creates an obvious political problem. Anyway, I hope for the best for Colorado and am cautiously optimistic they can pull it off.
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Basically, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMqZ2PPOLik Interestingly, I found this Atlantic article about Ben Carson's plan to crack down on liberal PC college professors, and I was surprised to see it was also written by Friedersdorf. Doesn't seem like it really caught on like his other ones did, I guess we'll never know why 
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Internet Webguy posted:Sounds like this supposed "racist" is going by the same rules that law enforcement does. Seems like the real issue is why we have a double standard for civilians and police. You have to go to academy, pay your dues and poo poo.
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