Shageletic posted:

Yeah, when's the last time you heard a black person stating that black people were superior and actually being convincing? That's because our entire society stands on the conception of the inferiority of african americans, and its baked in from birth. Kids know it, and adults know it too.

Whenever a white person is racist, they're not just talking with their own voice, but an entire system centered around the immutability of that fact. That's the difference, and why your post is nonsense.

Blowdryer posted:

Of course black people are not taking part in a society-wide effort to paint other races as inferior and that it comes from a different source. I am also clearly not trying to minimize discrimination against black people by being like "SEE THEY DO IT TOO". I am not saying racism from black people is a big issue (e; or even an issue at all), nor am I trying to deflect or detract the significance of racism against them. I understand the difference.

I am simply making the point that an individual black person can indeed be racist towards another person. Saying black people can be racist does not mean black people aren't subjected to how our hosed up society treats and views them.


e; I guess my gripe is that people saying poo poo like that when they mean something else is going to turn people away. But it's definitely not going to turn me away from caring because obviously the protests are valid. So maybe it shouldn't matter because perhaps the only ones who will be turned away are people who don't actually care about the significant things and are dumb enough to be distracted by that or by rioting or by holding away a photographer or whatever else the media is trying to distract people with.

Still, I don't necessarily feel wrong for having that bother me.

AtraMorS posted:

Part of it is that the definition of racism gets more slippery when you get outside of lay/dictionary definitions; in more academic discourse, it can also refer to the whole system or social apparatus that works to disadvantage people of color or other racial/ethnic groups. Think of it as an -ism like in "capitalism," not a belief structure like, say, "idealism." The definition is sociological rather than philosophical, and it excludes the possibility of the disadvantaged group acting with any sort of racial privilege outside of very limited circumstances. If a black guy calls a white guy a cracker, the incident isn't an example of racism because it's not contributing to the broad system of racial privilege in our society (and the black guy himself is not a racist for the same reason). We could still call it bigotry though, or maybe hate speech. After all, the SPLC lists plenty of black nationalist groups.

In an academic setting, this can be useful as shorthand to talk about broad social phenomena and the like, but it obviously runs into problems with ordinary usage. Student protests are one of the most likely places for these two arenas to butt heads, where you've got people who know a little theory but don't yet understand the limitations of specialized language (or professors who forgot the camera feed wasn't going to a peer review panel).

I mean, you're completely right. But you're not.

Popular Thug Drink posted:

it is by far the most effective, cheapest, painless, nontoxic, best all around way to end someone's life. which is why it's a nonstarter for vengeance-based punishments administered by a heartless bureaucracy

Amergin posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8UTj8lQJhY

"Black people can't be racist" is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard and that is essentially what you're saying.

Peven Stan posted:

Hey look! Another conservative using asian people as a cudgel. Nothing like dragging out a wealthy second generation foreign Chinese student with her head in the clouds as a victim of black savagery.

Amergin posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8UTj8lQJhY

"Black people can't be racist" is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard and that is essentially what you're saying.

Amergin posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8UTj8lQJhY

"Black people can't be racist" is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard and that is essentially what you're saying.

PUGGERNAUT posted:

I think you're arguing institutional racism vs. plain ol racism. It's hard to draw the line because the terminology is so blurred. Basically yes, anyone can be racist, but if you're a member of the majority (race/gender/what-have-you) then you can do a lot more damage to the people you're racist against, if that makes sense?

Amergin posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8UTj8lQJhY

"Black people can't be racist" is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard and that is essentially what you're saying.

Joementum posted:

Amergin posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8UTj8lQJhY

"Black people can't be racist" is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard and that is essentially what you're saying.

Milk Malk posted:

Black people live in a society fundamentally ingrained with the idea that they are an inferior and violent race. Everything in society, conscious or not, operates on the idea that black is worth less than white. This has an appreciable effect even in black communities, as studies have shown. Across all races, people are more likely to perceive a black person as threatening than a white person, in any context. This sort of bias manifests both economically and socially.



When you say that "Black people can be racist, too" you are making a factually correct statement. Black people can be and are racist, especially toward other black people and themselves. There is a serious problem of self hatred within Negro communities, which needs to be fixed before they can pull themselves out of the hole they are in.



But to imply that a black person who voices a resentment towards a white society and the complacent individuals thereof, is at all comparable to a white person who voices his racist sentiments towards black people, a person who is not only complacent in a racist system but is actively working to perpetuate it, is a false equivocation of an extreme magnitude.

Peven Stan posted:

Hey look! Another conservative using asian people as a cudgel. Nothing like dragging out a wealthy second generation foreign Chinese student with her head in the clouds as a victim of black savagery.

quote:

Fehrnstrom pointed out that the fourth debate passed this week without any candidate landing a blow against Trump or Carson. “We’re about to step into the holiday time accelerator,” he said. “You have Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year’s, then Iowa and a week later, New Hampshire, and it’s going to be over in the blink of an eye.”

According to other Republicans, some in the party establishment are so desperate to change the dynamic that they are talking anew about drafting Romney — despite his insistence that he will not run again. Friends have mapped out a strategy for a late entry to pick up delegates and vie for the nomination in a convention fight, according to the Republicans, who were briefed on the talks, though Romney has shown no indication of reviving his interest.

Amergin posted:

So you're saying because she's a wealthy person, she can't know oppression?

Now where does that sound familiar...

Rhesus Pieces posted:

Milk Malk posted:

Black people live in a society fundamentally ingrained with the idea that they are an inferior and violent race. Everything in society, conscious or not, operates on the idea that black is worth less than white. This has an appreciable effect even in black communities, as studies have shown. Across all races, people are more likely to perceive a black person as threatening than a white person, in any context. This sort of bias manifests both economically and socially.



When you say that "Black people can be racist, too" you are making a factually correct statement. Black people can be and are racist, especially toward other black people and themselves. There is a serious problem of self hatred within Negro communities, which needs to be fixed before they can pull themselves out of the hole they are in.



But to imply that a black person who voices a resentment towards a white society and the complacent individuals thereof, is at all comparable to a white person who voices his racist sentiments towards black people, a person who is not only complacent in a racist system but is actively working to perpetuate it, is a false equivocation of an extreme magnitude.

Rhesus Pieces posted:

Hahaha

Time for GOP panic? Establishment worried Carson or Trump might win

BetterToRuleInHell posted:

You seem to be ignoring completely the video in the post you quoted.

Popular Thug Drink posted:

it is by far the most effective, cheapest, painless, nontoxic, best all around way to end someone's life. which is why it's a nonstarter for vengeance-based punishments administered by a heartless bureaucracy

Hulk Krogan posted:

This just in: minorities and oppressed people can do lovely things too, and it doesn't invalidate the legitimate issues they face or critiques about how society at large treats them.

Amergin posted:

BUT! the folks who are trying to convince society to fix those legitimate issues are doing themselves a disservice by doing lovely things and not listening to any critique themselves.

Again, how do you have a successful civil rights movement that is not inclusive?

BetterToRuleInHell posted:

You seem to be ignoring completely the video in the post you quoted.

quote:

Still, the party establishment’s greatest weapon — big money — is partly on the shelf. Kenneth G. Langone, a founder of Home Depot and a billionaire supporter of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, said he is troubled that many associates in the New York financial community have so far refused to invest in a campaign due to the race’s volatility.

“Some of them are in, but too many are still saying, ‘I’ll wait to see how this all breaks,’” Langone said. “People don’t want to write checks unless they think the candidate has a chance of winning.” He said that his job, as a mega-donor, “is to figure out how we get people on the edge of their chairs so they start to give money.”

Many of Romney’s 2012 National Finance Committee members have sat the race out so far, including Peter A. Wish, a Florida doctor whom several 2016 candidates have courted.

“I’m not a happy camper,” Wish said. “Hopefully somebody will emerge who will be able to do the job,” but, he added, “I’m very worried that the Republican-base voter is more motivated by anger, distrust of D.C. and politicians and will throw away the opportunity to nominate a candidate with proven experience that can win.”

The concern among some party elites goes beyond electability, according to one Republican strategist, who was granted anonymity to speak frankly about the worries.


“We’re potentially careening down this road of nominating somebody who frankly isn’t fit to be president in terms of the basic ability and temperament to do the job,” this strategist said. “It’s not just that it could be somebody Hillary could destroy electorally, but what if Hillary hits a banana peel and this person becomes president?”

Hulk Krogan posted:

I don't dispute any of this, but digging up incidents of black people being lovely to other minorities and using that to dispute the entire idea that anti-black racism is more severe, widespread, and impactful than anti-white racism is obtuse in the extreme.

Rhesus Pieces posted:

More from that article:


Read the whole thing, it's a pro-click.

Basically establishment, big money Republicans are freaking out that Trump and Carson are laughably terrible but could actually win and at the same time are too chickenshit to put their own money on the line to do anything about it.

They're just crossing their fingers and hoping they magically disappear before the primary process really gets going.

FilthIncarnate posted:

(Charles C. Johnson, once a humble Gov major, now a noted right-wing activist and hatemonger, fit right into the CMC ecosystem), and,

Rhesus Pieces posted:

More from that article:


Read the whole thing, it's a pro-click.

Basically establishment, big money Republicans are freaking out that Trump and Carson are laughably terrible but could actually win and at the same time are too chickenshit to put their own money on the line to do anything about it.

They're just crossing their fingers and hoping they magically disappear before the primary process really gets going.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

as in winning the primary or the election? i assume the primary. trumps boasting and poo poo throwing can only get him so far. and carson is just kinda nuts maybe. part of me thinks that the establisment will try to run to cruz as a compromise, but even he is too bugfuck for the general.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

as in winning the primary or the election? i assume the primary. trumps boasting and poo poo throwing can only get him so far. and carson is just kinda nuts maybe. part of me thinks that the establisment will try to run to cruz as a compromise, but even he is too bugfuck for the general.

DemeaninDemon posted:

Amergin where did you go? Are you OK?

Sorry it's hard keeping up with 11hr work days.

Rhesus Pieces posted:

The establishment really has no idea how to dislodge Trump right now and time is starting to run short. It hasn't yet dawned on them that the primary voting GOP base doesn't want a serious, electable establishment candidate. They want a giant middle finger covered in offensive bumper stickers, and that's exactly what Trump is.

DemeaninDemon posted:

Amergin where did you go? Are you OK?

Sorry it's hard keeping up with 11hr work days.

Crain posted:

He actually hangs out in the football funhouse most of his time.

quote:

Retired Florida police officer W. Ken Katsaris is the third expert who has concluded that patrolman Timothy Loehmann was justified in shooting Tamir Rice outside a Cleveland recreation center Nov. 22, 2014.
...
"This unquestionably was a tragic loss of life," Katsaris wrote. "But to compound the tragedy by labeling the officers' conduct as anything but objectively reasonable would also be a tragedy."

Amergin posted:

Been busy, thanks for asking though. Hope your ungodly work hours don't last.

Content:

DemeaninDemon posted:

It was a 20k raise plus night bonus.