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Kanos posted:I don't mind the term so much as the negative connotations it receives. Filler episodes that don't materially advance the main plot can still be really good and provide interesting insight into the characters, add depth to the world, or simply be super fun. The Surfing Turn A episode of Try that people herald as one of the better fights in that series was purestrain filler through and through that had only a tangential relationship with the main plot. Yeah, that's fair. I just dislike this idea of"it has to forward the plot or it's worthless" that seems to crop up when discussing anime.
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The best episode of DBZ was filler that didn't appear in the manga. It was the one where Goku and Piccolo go to driving school.
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Nov 11, 2015 20:58
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"Filler" is rarely filler. People just seem to not think of characterization or worldbuilding as plot development for some reason.
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ImpAtom posted:"Filler" is rarely filler. People just seem to not think of characterization or worldbuilding as plot development for some reason. That's a good point; even if it's not plot pushing it can still reveal things. Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex explicitly labeled its episodes as "Stand Alone" or "Complex" on the title card depending on whether or not they were advancing the main plot of the season, and I wouldn't consider any of the "Stand Alone" episodes filler. I generally define a filler episode as one in which you don't learn anything new.
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Guess I shoulda wrote my post in the opposite order and said that more episodes wouldn't automatically make a bad thing good, lol
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I think that filler is a term that can be useful in some cases but it's something that gets so bogged down that I feel the main reason to use it is when you're talking about episodes in an adaption where the purpose is to buy time for the source material, and thus nothing meaningful can possibly happen. Doesn't always mean it's bad, but because of the nature of it, most studios don't bring their A game to it.
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Gammatron 64 posted:The best episode of DBZ was filler that didn't appear in the manga. It was the one where Goku and Piccolo go to driving school. It was based on an issue/chapter cover if I recall correctly. I always liked the idea of them sitting around looking for filler, seeing Goku and piccolo driving cars and said, "Yeah. Let's do that."
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Filler chat: I feel like the best use of filler that I've seen in anime was in the original Sailor Moon show, where it decompressed the manga by a TON and had a zillion episodes that were slice of life + bonus monster. It gave a lot of character to almost all of the main cast, and even the victim-of-the-week focused eps were charming in their own way. This did kill the pacing, but I think it made up for it with heart. Meanwhile the reboot didn't use any filler at all, stuck to the manga exclusively, and the pacing was so fast it was hard to care about anything. And - to bring this back to Gundam - that's kind of what I feel G-Reco did. It went as fast as it could, and in doing so lost some of the heart, denying the viewers a chance to really bond with the characters and learn to worry about them. One of the major mid-season reveals was just an "oh, okay" moment for me, because I wasn't as invested as I could have been. If we had more scenes like the marathon in space - well, I think G-Reco would have improved. The show didn't need to be 50 eps, but it could have used another 12 easily and overall would've been better. And I say all of this as someone who enjoyed it immensely. You were good, G-Reco, but you could have been great.
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What was the main reason Gundam was not popular on it's original run? I've reread Gundam Sousei but it just mentions "factors". Was there an oversaturation of robot shows for kids during that time?
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there's a Thunderbolt teaser now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZME_HbF0VI
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Ka0 posted:What was the main reason Gundam was not popular on it's original run? I've reread Gundam Sousei but it just mentions "factors". Was there an oversaturation of robot shows for kids during that time? I think it was just a case of it being weird and taking time to get going and other things getting more attention at the time. Part of Gundam's success was in the older markets and Gundam itself was marketed towards younger audiences with expectations of toy sales. dogsicle posted:there's a Thunderbolt teaser now That is... much jazzier than I was expecting. Though I suppose it makes sense considering. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Nov 13, 2015 |
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dogsicle posted:there's a Thunderbolt teaser now Oh my god they're keeping the pirate jazz station! and non-CG Mobile Suits!
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boom boom boom posted:Oh my god they're keeping the pirate jazz station! and non-CG Mobile Suits! i thought you maintained a strict no piracy policy
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Midjack posted:i thought you maintained a strict no piracy policy I stop reading scans if and when a manga gets licensed.
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dogsicle posted:there's a Thunderbolt teaser now Yes, bring on my beautiful Jazz Gundam
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boom boom boom posted:I stop reading scans if and when a manga gets licensed. another one liner wasted
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dogsicle posted:there's a Thunderbolt teaser now  I hope the soundtrack is just jazz.
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NikkolasKing posted:It's early on so I remember it. My brain sort of deactivated later on in the show as everything got so tedious and boring. I think it's the episode where Garma Zabi is first introduced? And Amuro blacks out from flying at something like Mach 10 in the Core Booster.
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Uh, does Thunderbolt take place in space Harlem or something?
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ImpAtom posted:There is literally not a single 50-episode Gundam series that doesn't have terrible pacing. Even if G-Reco got an extra 12 (which is already a huge increase over the current lineup) would be more than enough. It would be awful if they had to pad out the series to literally double its length. Just as an aside: Vifam has really good pacing and constantly moves forward and is 48 episodes
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Sharkopath posted:Just as an aside: Vifam has really good pacing and constantly moves forward and is 48 episodes There are absolutely shows that can do good at 48-50 episode (or even more), just not Gundam series or at least not so far.
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Tae posted:Uh, does Thunderbolt take place in space Harlem or something? There's a pirate radio station broadcasting jazz in the Thunderbolt Zone
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Nov 13, 2015 18:57
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All future Gundam series will have their own genre of music. I can't wait for Tomino's next series with a Yoko Kanno soundtrack that's entirely reggae.
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Hathaway's Flash soundtrack to consist exclusively of ska.
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Gaia Gear with didgeridoo accompaniment.
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Midjack posted:Gaia Gear with didgeridoo accompaniment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPOj58fNwrA
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What's the setting for thunderbolt? Don't think I've heard of it before.
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Kingtheninja posted:What's the setting for thunderbolt? Don't think I've heard of it before. it takes place in a destroyed colony during the One Year War
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Is Thunderbolt the one where everything has its joints covered to stop debris getting in them as fly around in space cos of all the wreckage and stuff?
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I finally caved and bought the first two volumes of The Origin. These books are gorgeous but I wish they weren't 30 bucks a pop. I'm gonna finish them way too quick.
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EthanSteele posted:Is Thunderbolt the one where everything has its joints covered to stop debris getting in them as fly around in space cos of all the wreckage and stuff? yup
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10 episodes of Build Fighters down and it's still  Fights own, explosions and lasers everywhere. I'm glad the mom is trying to set the kids up, she seems cool.
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i think this is the first UC series that's actually shown the prosthetics that UC supposedly has
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muike posted:i think this is the first UC series that's actually shown the prosthetics that UC supposedly has 0080 has that one arm, I think, but it's never actually attached to anyone, so don't know if that counts?
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What are the various continuities in the franchise right now? Droyer has those acronyms, but not a key for what they stand for.
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Erg posted:What are the various continuities in the franchise right now? Droyer has those acronyms, but not a key for what they stand for. whoops, my bad. Universal century Future Century After Colony After War Correct Century Cosmic Era Anno Domini Advanced Generation Post Disaster
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Erg posted:What are the various continuities in the franchise right now? Droyer has those acronyms, but not a key for what they stand for. rather than typing them all out: http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Gundam_Wiki:Timelines
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Universal Century is the only one you really need to know since everything outside of it is an alternate universe that stands alone (Outside of the sequels with obvious sequel names, like SEED Destiny being a sequel to SEED or Build Fighters Try being a sequel to Build Fighters).
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