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free community college is fine because no one gives a poo poo about it and it's like $3000 a year. if someone drops out who cares and otherwise if they don't they'll go on to a real college.My Imaginary GF posted:Education is not the cure-all for poverty. You cannot tackle poverty without discussing the issue of race, yet that's exactly what Sanders hopes to do. it's not just education. a similar or slightly higher minimum wage with better social programs is better than more money straight up. a single payer healthcare system alone saves people a lot of money each year compared to what even the shittiest obamacare plans can cost.
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My Imaginary GF posted:If you're truly poor and deserve a spot in college, you're able to get one without having to pay one dime. There was a kid in Memphis who was accepted to every single Ivy college with full ride scholarships but decided to go to a state school because his parents couldn't afford to help him with the high living expenses that come with going to ivy leagues. College isn't just tuition.
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triple sulk posted:free community college is fine because no one gives a poo poo about it and it's like $3000 a year. if someone drops out who cares and otherwise if they don't they'll go on to a real college. Minimum wage increases are great, for those who have jobs. What % of black males aged 16 to 30 are employed? Tigntink posted:There was a kid in Memphis who was accepted to every single Ivy college with full ride scholarships but decided to go to a state school because his parents couldn't afford to help him with the high living expenses that come with going to ivy leagues. College isn't just tuition. Sounds like someone too lazy to have saved enough during highschool to afford the mandatory dorm period.
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Tigntink posted:There was a kid in Memphis who was accepted to every single Ivy college with full ride scholarships but decided to go to a state school because his parents couldn't afford to help him with the high living expenses that come with going to ivy leagues. College isn't just tuition. Full ride often includes housing though?
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Interesting contrast: Eisenhower cited in Democratic debate for 90% top marginal rate, in Republican debate for Operation Wetback.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Wanting to be a car mechanic also isn't, though. You can be a car mechanic with a college degree. Telling poor people to get a degree is about as condescending as telling poor people to accept free money because it makes their lives better.
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Tigntink posted:Tell me why it isn't? He's right in the sense that it'll never happen here in particular.
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a cop posted:Full ride often includes housing though? Sometimes but not always Also full rides don't adjust for rising costs either and are set at your first year, meaning by your fourth year you could be having to pay out the difference which is too much
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Tigntink posted:There was a kid in Memphis who was accepted to every single Ivy college with full ride scholarships but decided to go to a state school because his parents couldn't afford to help him with the high living expenses that come with going to ivy leagues. College isn't just tuition. mandating quality online options from at least the public universities should be a necessity for if people can't afford to/don't want to relocate.
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Joementum posted:HUGE ASTERISK on that PPP poll: it was sponsored by Correct The Record, which is a Hillary-aligned rapid response group. Where are you seeing that? Maybe I'm just missing the obvious without my glasses on.
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Joementum posted:Interesting contrast: Eisenhower cited in Democratic debate for 90% top marginal rate, in Republican debate for Operation Wetback. Einsenhower: the moderate America needs?
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Joementum posted:Interesting contrast: Eisenhower cited in Democratic debate for 90% top marginal rate, in Republican debate for Operation Wetback. I like Ike. Why can't any candidate be more like Ike on all policy issues?
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SirKibbles posted:Einsenhower: the moderate America needs? Ike would have gotten a better deal from Iran. A square deal, even.
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WugLyfe posted:Where are you seeing that? Maybe I'm just missing the obvious without my glasses on. Last line of their post about it: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...security-i.html
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Joementum posted:Last line of their post about it: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...security-i.html Ah, thanks!
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Guys you realize Eisenhower signed off on the coup in 1953 in Iran that ultimately lead to a more disastrous situation in Iran that is completely unfriendly to us now.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:You can be a car mechanic with a college degree. Telling poor people to get a degree is about as condescending as telling poor people to accept free money because it makes their lives better. Right but someone who wants to be a car mechanic should have the opportunity to get their education in car repair and also fuckin take a French lit class if they want to, which is why most people supporting education reform want an expansion of the university system to include vocational skills so hey maybe you can major in car repair and do some other poo poo if you want instead of making it so you have to pick between the two.
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Bad Caller posted:Guys you realize Eisenhower signed off on the coup in 1953 in Iran that ultimately lead to a more disastrous situation in Iran that is completely unfriendly to us now. They'll get no sympathy from Ike.
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Bad Caller posted:Guys you realize Eisenhower signed off on the coup in 1953 in Iran that ultimately lead to a more disastrous situation in Iran that is completely unfriendly to us now. I LIKE IKE
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Bad Caller posted:Guys you realize Eisenhower signed off on the coup in 1953 in Iran that ultimately lead to a more disastrous situation in Iran that is completely unfriendly to us now. It's actually an open question if he knew about that before it happened.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Right but someone who wants to be a car mechanic should have the opportunity to get their education in car repair and also fuckin take a French lit class if they want to, which is why most people supporting education reform want an expansion of the university system to include vocational skills so hey maybe you can major in car repair and do some other poo poo if you want instead of making it so you have to pick between the two. Yeah after reading this thread I'm kind of fine with them making vocational classes be college degrees if it lets people do more stuff Just require on the job training too paid for by the employers after the general degree.
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Bad Caller posted:Sometimes but not always I remember this was exactly the reason: http://www.businessinsider.com/ronald-nelson-turned-down-every-ivy-league-school-for-university-of-alabama-2015-5
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My Imaginary GF posted:YOU LIKE IKE ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh maybe
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there should be schools for people who want to learn stuff that isn't generally applicable of real life jobs i think those are called liberal arts colleges but i might be wrong
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Joementum posted:It's actually an open question if he knew about that before it happened. He still appointed the secretary of state that did it, president's are responsible for the failures of their subordinates as well
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Bad Caller posted:He still appointed the secretary of state that did it, president's are responsible for the failures of their subordinates as well Yup. The Dulles Bros were the worst part of Ike's administration by far.
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triple sulk posted:there should be schools for people who want to learn stuff that isn't generally applicable of real life jobs Went to a liberal arts college on a scholarship. Taught me how to tolerate rich fucks and grin while contemplating murder. Now make good money in IT.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Right but someone who wants to be a car mechanic should have the opportunity to get their education in car repair and also fuckin take a French lit class if they want to, which is why most people supporting education reform want an expansion of the university system to include vocational skills so hey maybe you can major in car repair and do some other poo poo if you want instead of making it so you have to pick between the two. These are also offered in community colleges, though. I don't see how any of this wouldn't be covered. I mean, your optics would be fine if he was talking about "go to college free but STEM only", but he didn't say that.
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Joementum posted:Yup. The Dulles Bros were the worst part of Ike's administration by far. Dulles: Worse than Dick Nixon?
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Joementum posted:Yup. The Dulles Bros were the worst part of Ike's administration by far. At least his campaign slogan is catchy. Man it's weird that I actually learned a few things from this thread tonight, thanks for changing my opinions guys on a few things or at the very least reconsider a bit.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Dulles: Worse than Dick Nixon? Well, Ike didn't let Nixon do anything. One of his smartest decisions.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Dulles: Worse than Dick Nixon? Probably, Ike kept Nixon in a cage
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Joementum posted:Well, Ike didn't let Nixon do anything. One of his smartest decisions. Ike didn't let anyone do anything; his chief of staff was acting POTUS, while Ike golfed.
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