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Poor Jeb!, his poll numbers even look confused. There are four obvious clusters: the statistical noise candidates (Graham, Pataki, Jindal, Santorum); the B-listers (Christie, Huckabee, Fiorina, Kasich, Paul); the hypothetically electable guys (Cruz, Rubs): and the fires in a crowded theater (Friend Ben, Trump). But then there's this green tortoise-line, joyfully wandering between the groups, wondering where everyone went.
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Paris attacks update: In the aftermath of the attacks in Paris on Friday and the possibility that some of the perpetrators were refugees from the Middle East, Ben Carson and Bobby Jindal and called for a halt in accepting refugees to the United States. Huckabee already called for this weeks ago. Now Jeb is weighing in: quote:Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush says that any U.S. assistance to Middle Eastern refugees should focus primarily on Christians fleeing persecution. The United States does not yet possess Christianity Detection Machines.  I honestly don't know which is worse: denying all refugees, or only letting in the Christian ones. I want to see Carson, Jindal, and Huckabee's reactions to Jeb's plan. A competent journalist should ask Jeb if his love for protecting religious minorities in the region includes Yazidis and Kakais. And Shia Muslims.
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Nov 15, 2015 22:10
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William Bear posted:Paris attacks update: Jesus.
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Nov 15, 2015 22:11
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the next time we as nation spend five minutes asking 'why do they hate us?' i bet this doesnt even come up
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Nov 15, 2015 22:11
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Jewel Repetition posted:Jesus. exactly. it should be as difficult for an unbeliever to enter the united states as it is for a camel to walk through the eye of a needle. i think jesus said that. it's what he meant, anyway. we all know that
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Nov 15, 2015 22:12
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William Bear posted:Paris attacks update: I'm glad he says things like that to keep the empathy that his conspicuous sadness brings out at bay.
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TheScott2K posted:I'm glad he says things like that to keep the empathy that his conspicuous sadness brings out at bay. It's like everytime I start to feel bad for the guy he does this poo poo like this and it's like nope gently caress that family again.
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Nov 15, 2015 22:51
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Hey Boosted, how come you don't have a Trump Gangtag?
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Nov 15, 2015 22:56
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whydirt posted:I thought a lot of that was due to Obama's team buying chunks of airtime way in advance to lock in cheaper rates, while Team Romney waited to the last minute. As I understand it, the Romney ad buyers intentionally waited to buy ads because they would personally make more money off of commissions that way.
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Nov 15, 2015 23:16
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oystertoadfish posted:the next time we as nation spend five minutes asking 'why do they hate us?' i bet this doesnt even come up They hate us for our freedoms and our judeo-christian values
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Nov 15, 2015 23:21
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My Imaginary GF posted:They hate us for our freedoms and our judeo-christian values o
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Sir Tonk posted:Hey Boosted, how come you don't have a Trump Gangtag? He's probably afraid his (old, white) neighbors will see it.
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Nov 15, 2015 23:23
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Top Bunk Wanker posted:As I understand it, the Romney ad buyers intentionally waited to buy ads because they would personally make more money off of commissions that way. I thought campaigns got cheaper rates than pacs and much more of the Romney money was third-party. Although knowing GOP campaigns self-dealing probably also played a role.
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Nov 15, 2015 23:24
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Shear Modulus posted:I thought campaigns got cheaper rates than pacs and much more of the Romney money was third-party. They do get cheaper rates. However, the third party pacs/super pacs can still get cheaper rates by buying ad slots earlier before they air. They deliberately avoided doing that, and as such paid a lot more, which meant higher kickbacks for many of their people. Just like if you wait to buy a plane ticket until two days before you leave you'll pay a lot more than if you comfortably booked things a month plus in advance.
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Nov 15, 2015 23:28
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Nintendo Kid posted:They do get cheaper rates. However, the third party pacs/super pacs can still get cheaper rates by buying ad slots earlier before they air. They deliberately avoided doing that, and as such paid a lot more, which meant higher kickbacks for many of their people. Unless your friend owns the station or airline, in which case you get a lower rate.
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Unless your friend doesn't own the station or airline, in which case you get the higher rate.
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So when are people going to start asking Ben Carson where his campaign is spending all that money? It seems his entire machine is built on raising more and more funds without putting anything into ground game or air game.
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Montasque posted:So when are people going to start asking Ben Carson where his campaign is spending all that money? I think Erickson or someone else on his site has complained about it recently. All I can find right now is this Atlantic article though: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/where-is-ben-carsons-money-going/410839/
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Montasque posted:So when are people going to start asking Ben Carson where his campaign is spending all that money? Does he need to spend much right now when he's neck and neck for first, with the evangelical vote in support? AreWeDrunkYet posted:I don't want to wander into the Dem thread - anything of note from last night's debate? Sanders didn't want to talk about foreign policy. Clinton got flustered about Sanders calling her out on Wall Street donations. O'Malley reminded everyone he did the things the others talk about doing.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:I don't want to wander into the Dem thread - anything of note from last night's debate? hillary spent most of it defending from the other two and a bizarre line about how its okay for her to take wall street donations because 9/11 happened
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so we're thinking that after thanksgiving, in the last 8-9 weeks before iowa, the ads will start flying? i can't wait to see if that has any effect on the polls it'd be easy to predict that all of this bullshit has just been due to the weird goobers who sit down for half an hour to respond to a robopoll on their landline only being aware of the candidates that the media hyped, and to further predict that once the Establishment starts spending money on ads that the dynamics of polling* results will revert to being driven by ad spending the way the lazy media expects them to be but a lot of predictions that wouldve been very convenient for lazy pundits should they have come true have in fact refused to come true. are they gonna be right at some point? they don't HAVE to be wrong all the way to the finish line but they sure as hell don't have to be right that's what i think will be interesting, to see if the data in the form of polling* actually changes when the real money starts to get spent and targeted and poo poo. and then we actually get real primary votes (and bizarre semihemidemidemocratic caucuses)! and all this bullshit we've been occupying ourselves with will fade into the background *or should i say poolling
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Triglav posted:Does he need to spend much right now when he's neck and neck for first, with the evangelical vote in support? If he actually wants to be President then yes, he should start spending money in places not Iowa. I mean even Trump has a more robust ground-game, and Cruz out does both by a country mile.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:hillary spent most of it defending from the other two and a bizarre line about how its okay for her to take wall street donations because 9/11 happened Luckily for her, old people generally continue to be suckers. 
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oystertoadfish posted:so we're thinking that after thanksgiving, in the last 8-9 weeks before iowa, the ads will start flying? i can't wait to see if that has any effect on the polls PACs and Super PACs involved with an ad blitz in time for the primaries and who wanted to not just spend their money as fast as possible, should be already buying up ad slots in the relevant states now. Don't know where you'd go to find out what's being bought by whom.
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Deep Hurting posted:Luckily for her, old people generally continue to be suckers. so this is just as much a barrel of anecdotes as the debate thread last night but it makes me feel a little more confident that my analysis of clinton having made the comment consciously and due to an accurate understanding of the temper of the electorate might not be complete horseshit edit asterisk more like anal isis??? eh oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Nov 16, 2015 |
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:I don't want to wander into the Dem thread - anything of note from last night's debate? Hillary pulled a chris christie and went off about 9/11. Trump tweeted several times without their hashtag but his tweets mysteriously appeared on their special twitter feed. The debate felt more like a 2 hour long advert for twitter the online feed was 66% twitter feeds and piecharts about twitter. The moderator was really loving good at remebering to moderate whgen an ad break came up but at times it was just as silly as the republican debate which is impressive with only 3 people on stage. Bernie felt a bit weak and unimpressive on some points but was very forceful on pining hillary to the wall with her wall street backers. Hillary felt completely hollow and rehearesed at times but the crowd seemed happy with what she was saying. Martin O' Malley (sp?) was generally very solid and held his own for most of the debate then ruined it by plugging his website non stop and having less speaking time than Trump's tweets for the last half hour. The only highlight worth watching would be bernie attacking hillary for being in wall streets pocket, hillary defending it by saying 9/11 then the moderators pulling a random question off twitter which was basically: "Did someone really just justify wall street cronyism by saying 9/11?"
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The TV broadcast only cut to Twitter stats for a minute or two after the debate. It still had those two vox pop tweets, but I guess they figured the person who would watch a debate on TV vs the person who'd watch it online are in two very different demos, and curated each experience as such.
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Squizzle posted:Poor Jeb!, his poll numbers even look confused. There are four obvious clusters: the statistical noise candidates (Graham, Pataki, Jindal, Santorum); the B-listers (Christie, Huckabee, Fiorina, Kasich, Paul); the hypothetically electable guys (Cruz, Rubs): and the fires in a crowded theater (Friend Ben, Trump). I enjoyed this post
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I don't know how you guys were possibly able to understand the complexities of the debate without all the pie charts, or scaleless line graphs thast became useless when activity spiked and drowned out all other data. Edit: this was the debate feed online, ocassionally more graphics would appear or disappear. 
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Nov 16, 2015 00:21
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I gently caress'n love Trump's anti-Carson ad
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i forgot just how loving many republican debates there were last cycle http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2012-debate-schedule/2011-2012-primary-debate-schedule/ 5 in november 2011! 9 before november! 7 in january 2012! the decision to cut it down to only 11 total apparently http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-debate-schedule/2016-republican-primary-debate-schedule/ will in hindsight probably look like an INCREDIBLY good decision. can you imagine what a shitshow this would be if there were a half dozen debates a month? seriously reince hasn't done much right but people aren't realizing what a savvy move it was to decline the money (i'm guessing) and try to keep the reality of his party under wraps to the degree that he could
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oystertoadfish posted:so we're thinking that after thanksgiving, in the last 8-9 weeks before iowa, the ads will start flying? i can't wait to see if that has any effect on the polls My understanding is the GOP establishment is going to break out the big guns on Trump soon with TV ads, and that he might not be willing to spend enough of his personal money to respond in kind.
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Jewel Repetition posted:My understanding is the GOP establishment is going to break out the big guns on Trump soon with TV ads, and that he might not be willing to spend enough of his personal money to respond in kind. i cant wait to see the results of this plan
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Jewel Repetition posted:My understanding is the GOP establishment is going to break out the big guns on Trump soon with TV ads, and that he might not be willing to spend enough of his personal money to respond in kind. What are they gonna attack him on?
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My Imaginary GF posted:What are they gonna attack him on? A wing and a prayer.
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South Carolina cross-state trip report: Went to visit my folks with my son. 2.5 hour drive across state. EVERY SINGLE political yard sign I saw on the road was for Trump (only .5 hours of my drive on interstate, the rest on back roads) My life-long Democrat aunt (although a "blue dog" i.e. votes Dem local but didn't vote Obama for President) and uncle are pro-Trump. As I was asking her who she liked so far, my Dad, who DOES NOT TALK ABOUT HIS loving POLITICS BECAUSE IT'S RUDE AND NO ONE ELSE'S BUSINESS jumped in and made a passionate defense of Trump.  We've created a monster.
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