|
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq785nJ0FXQ
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 09:11
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 14, 2024 21:12 |
|
|
Apoplexy posted:Also, was the guy who appeared just before Seth Rogen Mike Birbiglia? I think it is. Yes it is, and I think Seth's wife is Caroline Dhavernas (most recently Alana Bloom from Hannibal)
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 09:49
|
|
|
I feel sorry for people who watch conventional television. Ads are a nightmare that I'm glad are almost entirely gone from my life.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 09:50
|
|
|
About a year ago I got a contract job rewriting the Terms & Agreements page for a Daily Fantasy Sports website, and yeah, the companies absolutely know it's gambling because they gave me specific references and guidelines to say it wasn't. The bulk of my work was doing a find/replace in an existing document to change any reference to gambling, risk, or betting to gaming, skill, and an explicitly defined version of "wagering" that totally wasn't the same as betting. But you can totally win real money! I mean, I got real money at least. All told I got about a grand for the contract.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 09:59
|
|
|
TurboFlamingChicken posted:Yes it is, and I think Seth's wife is Caroline Dhavernas (most recently Alana Bloom from Hannibal) Looked more like Kathryn Hahn to me... "Is there something stronger than a divorc that we could get? Like a super divorce?" "If there was, we probably couldn't afford it." mcbexx fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Nov 16, 2015 |
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 11:55
|
|
|
So I'm a little confused - why is Fantasy Football illegal if it were gambling? Just because they didn't apply for a proper license (in which case, why don't they), or because its gambling on sports specifically? I apologise if that should seem obvious, but when my country has companies going by the name of 'Betfred', that the US companies should be playing sheepish is kind of... baffling.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 14:55
|
|
|
John's response to the events in Paris. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUzNcu0fhJw
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 15:07
|
|
|
Astro Nut posted:So I'm a little confused - why is Fantasy Football illegal if it were gambling? Just because they didn't apply for a proper license (in which case, why don't they), or because its gambling on sports specifically? I apologise if that should seem obvious, but when my country has companies going by the name of 'Betfred', that the US companies should be playing sheepish is kind of... baffling. Gambling should be regulated, lest things turn into a Martin Scorsese film.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 15:58
|
|
|
Martin Starr is the best. Edit: Apparently House of Cards is super popular in China and is used as a cautionary tale about how dangerous democracy is. Also, House of Cards sucks. Echo Chamber fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Nov 16, 2015 |
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 16:21
|
|
|
Astro Nut posted:So I'm a little confused - why is Fantasy Football illegal if it were gambling? Just because they didn't apply for a proper license (in which case, why don't they), or because its gambling on sports specifically? I apologise if that should seem obvious, but when my country has companies going by the name of 'Betfred', that the US companies should be playing sheepish is kind of... baffling. Gambling laws change state to state, and in many is either illegal or heavily monitored to help protect people from destroying their lives. That policing would basically end these two companies as they exist now, so they're fighting with all the money those giant corporations funding them can throw at the problem.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 17:04
|
|
|
Apoplexy posted:Also, was the guy who appeared just before Seth Rogen Mike Birbiglia? I think it is. The bearded guy with the glasses looked like comic-book writer Matt Fraction.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 19:03
|
|
|
El Gallinero Gros posted:The bearded guy with the glasses looked like comic-book writer Matt Fraction. That was Martin Starr, also from Freaks and Geeks.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 20:45
|
|
|
Echo Chamber posted:Martin Starr is the best. Won't that thought process hurt their Democracy though?
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2015 23:07
|
|
|
Practical Demon posted:That was Martin Starr, also from Freaks and Geeks. This week was pretty entertaining overall but that had to be the lamest topic of the week so far. Oh noes, someone might gamble online! Especially coming after the events in Paris it was a bit 
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 01:26
|
|
|
yea gambling has never ruined anyone's life ever
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 01:40
|
|
|
How do these games actually work? Is it literally just like any other fantasy sports but only for say a single round of competition or something?
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 01:54
|
|
|
webmeister posted:How do these games actually work? Is it literally just like any other fantasy sports but only for say a single round of competition or something? For baseball and basketball, where there are games every day, it works on a daily basis. You have a salary cap of say $50,000. Players are rated based on how good they are, so someone like Lebron James might cost $10,000, but Mario Chalmers is $800. The idea is to get the most fantasy points without going over the cap and number of players on your roster. For football, its basically the same but on a weekly basis. Baseball is such a statistic driven sport, so that is where all the number crunchers make their money. I am surprised he didn't bring up how one of the Fan Duel employees used their internal, private data to make 300 grand on Draft Kings. A lot of people equated that to insider trading.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 02:11
|
|
|
Right, so it's just fantasy <sport> on a single round rather than a season. The sports I follow only have weekly rounds, so that was what was confusing me - it doesn't seem like something you could play every day.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 02:28
|
|
|
mobby_6kl posted:This week was pretty entertaining overall but that had to be the lamest topic of the week so far. Oh noes, someone might gamble online! Especially coming after the events in Paris it was a bit The topic wasn't "it's bad because it's gambling." It was "these predatory companies are trying to pull one over on the government and the customers because since it's not considered gambling it is going completely unregulated and ripping people off." I thought it was a pretty interesting topic.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 02:33
|
|
|
webmeister posted:Right, so it's just fantasy <sport> on a single round rather than a season. The sports I follow only have weekly rounds, so that was what was confusing me - it doesn't seem like something you could play every day. For football they also have like "Monday and Thursday only" or "Sunday afternoon" contensts which limit the players you can choose even more. swickles posted:
It was just one guy? I heard so much about it that I figured it was a lot of people from both companies gambling on the other site.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 02:36
|
|
|
Astro Nut posted:So I'm a little confused - why is Fantasy Football illegal if it were gambling? Just because they didn't apply for a proper license (in which case, why don't they), or because its gambling on sports specifically? I apologise if that should seem obvious, but when my country has companies going by the name of 'Betfred', that the US companies should be playing sheepish is kind of... baffling. Vegas and the various other gambling centers of the US are vehemently anti online gambling because they don't get a taste. As a result they've lobbied as hard as possible to outlaw all gambling not directly tied to a casino or a state government. The Fantasy Football loophole was put in place because everyone plays fantasy football with their friends and coworkers and Big Gambling didn't see it as too onerously effecting their bottom line. Draft Kings, FanDuel and the like simply are using the existing loophole and legally lying their asses off about not being gambling in order to provide the fig leaf of legitimacy they need. Bullshit about totally not being gambling aside, there isn't really any significant difference between a week to week or 1 day league vs traditional season long leagues. It's not like they're using a Fantasy Sports loophole to run Poker, Race Track, and Blackjack operations while laughing in the face of regulation. They're running shitloads of Fantasy Sports Leagues at once instead of it just being James from Accounting, who gives way too many fucks and won't let you use your hilarious pun for a team name. Edit: Draft Kings has Fantasy MMA, which gives you a ridiculously limited option of choices as it's just for a single card. Gyges fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Nov 17, 2015 |
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 02:36
|
|
|
Gyges posted:Edit: Draft Kings has Fantasy MMA, which gives you a ridiculously limited option of choices as it's just for a single card. They also have fantasy NASCAR which boggles my mind as to how they manage that
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 03:00
|
|
|
To be fair, because the games are daily, people can ruin themselves a lot faster than they would in season long fantasy pools with their friends. That and it being unregulated make it pretty lovely for people addicted to gambling.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 03:02
|
|
|
Practical Demon posted:To be fair, because the games are daily, people can ruin themselves a lot faster than they would in season long fantasy pools with their friends. That and it being unregulated make it pretty lovely for people addicted to gambling. Also I would hope that an office league being played among friends isn't dealing in "could ruin my life if I lose" levels of money. The main danger of online gambling, as with any kind of online thing, is how easy it is. People lose their savings in casinos too, but the fact that you have to physically be there, actually putting your money on the table (or the pretty coloured chips that are designed to make you not think of it as money) means that at least most people can reasonably stop themselves when they see it all getting taken away. Online, it's all credit card based so none of it really feels immediate or real - it's very easy for even a casual gambler to rack up a ton of debt just because they weren't really paying attention. Yeah, "buyer beware" and all that, but it's not as if the people running these companies aren't actively trying to engage people on exactly that level in a very predatory way.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 03:13
|
|
|
Practical Demon posted:To be fair, because the games are daily, people can ruin themselves a lot faster than they would in season long fantasy pools with their friends. That and it being unregulated make it pretty lovely for people addicted to gambling. It should absolutely be regulated, but the US is adverse to even allowing online gambling so it won't be because the Sheldon Adelsons of the world don't like it. So instead multi-billion dollar industries contort themselves to avoid regulation more out of preservation of their existence than inherent shadiness.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 03:42
|
|
|
Gyges posted:It should absolutely be regulated, but the US is adverse to even allowing online gambling so it won't be because the Sheldon Adelsons of the world don't like it. So instead multi-billion dollar industries contort themselves to avoid regulation more out of preservation of their existence than inherent shadiness. That contortion can lead to shadiness, and things like employees using inside information to take money from people betting with the other company because there's no regulation. Yeah, there's nothing inherently immoral with gambling, and the money behind stopping it is casinos wanting to monopolize. I'm sure New York's hard line against it has a bit to do with Atlantic City money. But easy access to online gambling has destroyed a lot of people, so the sides become hard to weigh. In the end, the sites are lying to their customers and taking a poo poo ton of their money.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 04:13
|
|
|
Timett posted:It was just one guy? I heard so much about it that I figured it was a lot of people from both companies gambling on the other site. It was one guy who won all that money, yes. In the aftermath of that getting out, it also came out that a huge chunk of the employees of Fan Duel were playing daily fantasy on Draft Kings, and vise versa. Each company had rules about avoiding conflicts of interests by disallowing their employees to play on their service, but nothing about playing on the other service.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 04:20
|
|
|
I'm still not sure that I understand how daily fantasy works. Fantasy sports is based on the performance of players over a given period, right? So for daily fantasy, are you limited to the set of players/teams that are playing that day--if there's anything going on that day? That's the part that really baffled me. Because otherwise it's just running off made-up numbers.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 07:19
|
|
|
Mr. Fowl posted:I'm still not sure that I understand how daily fantasy works. Fantasy sports is based on the performance of players over a given period, right? So for daily fantasy, are you limited to the set of players/teams that are playing that day--if there's anything going on that day? Yeah, it's limited to the teams who are playing that day. However, an MLB team plays 162 games over 6 months, so it's not like there are very many off days.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 08:51
|
|
|
Mr. Fowl posted:I'm still not sure that I understand how daily fantasy works. Fantasy sports is based on the performance of players over a given period, right? So for daily fantasy, are you limited to the set of players/teams that are playing that day--if there's anything going on that day? "DraftKings, Inc. is a leading skill-based Daily Fantasy Sports (DFS) gaming destination for fans in North America to compete in single-day online games for cash and prizes across the largest variety of professional and collegiate sports. DraftKings is the exclusive DFS partner of Major League Baseball, the National Hockey League, Major League Soccer, NASCAR and Ultimate Fighting Championship. Founded in 2012 by CEO Jason Robins, CRO Matt Kalish and COO Paul Liberman, DraftKings is headquartered in Boston, Mass." So between all the sports, they also include collegiate sports so there is probably always something to be betting on. (copy/paste from draft kings faq). Betting on fantasy college level sports seems extra hosed up to me though.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 11:04
|
|
|
coyo7e posted:I'm not sure what you mean. You can't be liberal and anti-PC. I dunno how to tell you this but this is literally 90% of the internet right now I mean Reddit is a particularly bad example sure but everyone praises themselves on being super liberal people who should qualify for swedish citizenship and then 90% of the front page is "What if minorities are the REAL racists?!"
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 11:17
|
|
|
THE AWESOME GHOST posted:I dunno how to tell you this but this is literally 90% of the internet right now It's almost as if a website as large as reddit has a diverse user base and not everyone there has the same ideology.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 14:31
|
|
|
Last I checked reddit was actively being astroturfed by stormfront and other white supremacist groups
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 14:59
|
|
|
mobby_6kl posted:Better known as Gilfoyle from Silicon Valley, where he's basically the same nerd. Paris happened 2 days before TX date, basically you're asking them to re-write the entire show, film new VT inserts, and throw out a week (probably more) of work. Possible, sure, but a tall order.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 15:06
|
|
|
PS also people say the word liberal but don't really know what liberal means. Most people who identify as liberal probably mean socialist democrat.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 15:07
|
|
|
thehustler posted:PS also people say the word liberal but don't really know what liberal means. Most people who identify as liberal probably mean socialist democrat. Fun fact: liberal is the general term for the center-right wing parties in Denmark. Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Nov 17, 2015 |
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 15:15
|
|
|
Hakkesshu posted:Fun fact: liberal is the general term for the center-right wing parties in Denmark. Liberal has a very different meaning in European politics (economically right wing + individual liberties) compared to American politics where it seems to mean anyone on the left.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 15:22
|
|
|
GutBomb posted:It's almost as if a website as large as reddit has a diverse user base and not everyone there has the same ideology. Nah Reddit is poo poo all the way down.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 15:37
|
|
|
I suspect that a lot of it for some depends on what you mean about PC. If PC mean, 'man what that guy said is f'd up and I'm going to judge him personally', then that's fine more or less. However if it becomes, 'man what that guy said is f'd up and now I'm going to throw him in jail', then I think there's nothing non progressive about being against that.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 15:37
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 14, 2024 21:12 |
|
|
Also indicative of the shifting to the right of the Overton Window.
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2015 15:37
|
|