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Irae
Nov 19, 2011
This game is really good, and I am really bad at it.

How does the custom goon league work? You have to run a stage in a certain timeframe and that's it? Because I'd love to join and provide more buffer in the absolute lowest tier but I often can't get some decent driving sessions in until the weekend, and if the deadlines are shorter than a week I'd probably miss many.

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njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Irae posted:

This game is really good, and I am really bad at it.

How does the custom goon league work? You have to run a stage in a certain timeframe and that's it? Because I'd love to join and provide more buffer in the absolute lowest tier but I often can't get some decent driving sessions in until the weekend, and if the deadlines are shorter than a week I'd probably miss many.

You have a week to drive the rally, and rallies are 4 sprint stages in the goon league generally so it'll take about 15-20 minutes to run. You're also restricted to a car class, but don't have to own it in career. Also you get one shot at it. The current season ends tonight, but the new season starts on Wednesday.

Irae
Nov 19, 2011
That sounds doable and I look forward to embarrassing myself. Sign me up if possible, Codemasters name is "Whyeven".

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


You can jump right in if you follow the second link in the OP. No permissions needed or anything like that.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


THERE IS NOW A DIRT RALLY MOD MANAGER

So now you can store all your mods in one folder, tell the manager where the relevant folders are, and just check boxes to install and uninstall the mods. It'll also back up the original files when you install a mod and restore them when you uninstall it. They recommend having a fresh install of the game on first load though, so make sure your save is backed up before using it.

Jehde
Apr 21, 2010

Watching the Wales Rally GB after almost a year of playing the same stages in Dirt Rally is a bit weird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RnBgZvBRuc

Jehde fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Nov 18, 2015

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


Jehde posted:

Watching the Wales Rally GB after almost a year of playing the same stages in Dirt Rally is a bit weird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RnBgZvBRuc

Oh my god, Daniel Barritt is so tiny! He's like a little pace note Leprechaun!

Thel
Apr 28, 2010

My god. gently caress Finland.

So many ridiculous jumps, and do the trees really have to be that close to the road? And that unannounced square right turn on the last stage, gently caress that too.

(Yes I did just spend a solid hour continuously stacking my car into a variety of trees.)

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Road Bookapalooza, here's the important bits.

- Hillclimb championships are being restructured for 1.0 to be longer at Elite and Masters levels. The days of grinding short runs for massive profit are coming to an end.
- Custom championships are being fixed so they payout the proper amount.
- Engineer perks are being reworked too, the more cars a perk covers the more expensive it'll be. So a perk that covers 1 car will be cheaper than a perk that covers an entire class. Expect the global 4WD perk to be ungodly expensive.
- 1.0 is very not far off, within the next 2 weeks.

Also the new league season is running, you have until Tuesday night to get your runs in.

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


Don't think the changes are gonna change much about how little I care about perks. I slapped some of those general perks on my engineers, but I don't mind spending some time with the car before it's fully upgraded anyway. There's little reward in buying perks.

Also, I'm probably gonna friend request everyone in the league at some point because I want friend comparisons. Just a heads up.

Lastly; look at this beautiful stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMnvPt4oJ68

This I want to play.

Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

Your sword, sahib.
So, when are they going to add more hill-climb stages?

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Triple A posted:

So, when are they going to add more hill-climb stages?

Probably never, since Pikes Peak is the only one most people really know want or care about.

SealHammer
Jul 4, 2010
Click to understand my bad faith posting.

njsykora posted:

Road Bookapalooza, here's the important bits.

- Hillclimb championships are being restructured for 1.0 to be longer at Elite and Masters levels. The days of grinding short runs for massive profit are coming to an end.
- Custom championships are being fixed so they payout the proper amount.
- Engineer perks are being reworked too, the more cars a perk covers the more expensive it'll be. So a perk that covers 1 car will be cheaper than a perk that covers an entire class. Expect the global 4WD perk to be ungodly expensive.
- 1.0 is very not far off, within the next 2 weeks.

Also the new league season is running, you have until Tuesday night to get your runs in.

Why would they change the perks in that way instead of making them, you know, useful? I've never put a single perk on any of my engineers because it's just a waste of money.

bUm
Jan 11, 2011
Finally started revisiting Group B's thanks to our league going to them (figured I'd try out and upgrade the others, despite almost certainly using the just plain better 205 for league) and, surprisingly, I actually like them a lot more with v2 physics. They're still pretty frightening, but feel more manageable than they used to (maybe, in part, to me being much better than when I first encountered the 205).

In related news: I found the RS200 has pretty easily broken headlights. Naturally my first Custom Rally with it was on Greece and, out of three stages, two of them were long night ones. Then, to be a dick, the game made my second event with it Wales with all three stages being night stages (2/3 long ones again). To continue the dick-i-tude: my next Custom Rally using Group B's I made each event four stages and it's Monaco with all four snowing and 3/4 being long stages. :wtc:

Also, the RS200 being a right-hand-drive is annoying (it's a Ford! :black101:). In PCars right hand drives feel fine thanks to driving on wide circuits, but holy crap is it noticeably harder in Dirt Rally between left drive feeling more natural (both in real life and most cars being left drive in game) and, thanks to narrow stages, the difference of having the excess 1/3 stage width of car on your left instead of right really throws off my lines.

njsykora posted:

Road Bookapalooza, here's the important bits.

- Hillclimb championships are being restructured for 1.0 to be longer at Elite and Masters levels. The days of grinding short runs for massive profit are coming to an end.
- Custom championships are being fixed so they payout the proper amount.
- Engineer perks are being reworked too, the more cars a perk covers the more expensive it'll be. So a perk that covers 1 car will be cheaper than a perk that covers an entire class. Expect the global 4WD perk to be ungodly expensive.
- 1.0 is very not far off, within the next 2 weeks.

Also the new league season is running, you have until Tuesday night to get your runs in.
RIP Hillclimb ducats (maybe, they don't mention Custom Championship Hillclimb). They don't mention Rallycross ducats at all though (still much better than regular rally per time). Maybe I'll buy/upgrade my last Hillclimb (205) before the next patch drops so I'll have like 15 million credits for a rainy day instead of 10 million. :homebrew:

Glad to see they're fixing the bug I reported about sub-5-event Custom Championships not rewarding fairly. I tested it out quick shortly after Modern Masters and was going to go copy-paste my bug report from the previous patch in the new thread for it; guess they took note and I don't have to, it just didn't make the Modern Masters cut.

They better not wipe perks without refund like they did when they changed the unlocking of crew slots. I like my faster upgrades so I spend less time driving excessively slow and would be disgruntled to be out hundreds of thousands more credits again.

njsykora posted:

Probably never, since Pikes Peak is the only one most people really know want or care about.
Goodwood's Hillclimb is the only other one I know of. Stumbled across Loeb's run there recently in the car he used to break the world record on Pike's Peak and a full run for their "hillclimb" (hardly even looks like it has any vertical component... half of Laguna Seca in reverse might be a bigger hill :v:) is like 40-some seconds so it wouldn't be a terribly interesting addition.

It'd be neat if they flushed Hillclimb out a little more in whatever plans they have post-release. I mainly want to see newer cars: Suzuki Escudo, Loeb's Peugeot T16 Pike's Peak, but it'd be nice to tack on a new mountain to climb too (glancing at Wikipedia, there's hillclimbs aplenty in the world). It'd also be nice if they opened up custom events/leagues to use cars cross-genre.*

But, yeah, I'd vastly prefer including more rallies like Corsica, Australia, Kenya, etc. over more Hillclimb/Rallycross love.

* So we could then use the Suzuki Escudo and its 900 BHP at 900 kg on all the rally stages :getin:; :rip: all the digital drivers of our cars. Rallycross cars on rally stages would also be pretty badass since they're probably a decent approximation of what a modern Group B car would look like.

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Skwee
Apr 29, 2010

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Black Griffon posted:

Lastly; look at this beautiful stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMnvPt4oJ68

This I want to play.

man i was confused for a while but then i realized they are using larger number = tighter turn

osker
Dec 18, 2002

Wedge Regret
If Pike's peak is the only hill climb you know or care about, then you are a pleb animal. transfagarasan on Assetto Corsa and rfactor2 is a dream.

Jehde
Apr 21, 2010

Having Transfagarasan in Dirt Rally would be pretty :pcgaming:. Also that New Zealand Race to the Sky. It's kinda weird they have a whole hill climb mode when it's really just Pikes Peak.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


SealHammer posted:

Why would they change the perks in that way instead of making them, you know, useful? I've never put a single perk on any of my engineers because it's just a waste of money.

I have all my engineers equipped with perks for each category (FWD, RWD, 4WD, hill climb and rallycross) and they mean I have a fully upgraded car after 2-3 rallies usually. Also I'm not hurting for money.

Skwee
Apr 29, 2010

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what is the difference between light-medium-heavy gravels? which one has less grip? how am I supposed to know what I'm on?

did some practice on the wales stages. gently caress this car is crazy, never driven it before.. Maybe I should use the one I have actually driven..

I'm used to the delta s4, but was trying out the peugot since it is supposed to be faster..

I was all over the road, slidy as hell.

Skwee fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Nov 21, 2015

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Skwee posted:

what is the difference between light-medium-heavy gravels? which one has less grip? how am I supposed to know what I'm on?

did some practice on the wales stages. gently caress this car is crazy, never driven it before.. Maybe I should use the one I have actually driven..

I'm used to the delta s4, but was trying out the peugot since it is supposed to be faster..

I was all over the road, slidy as hell.

Medium is not really something to worry much about, but heavy gravel is looser and so has less grip while light gravel compacts more and so has more grip. I think Greece is the only rally that has heavy gravel since Wales and Finland are both mostly light gravel.

Thel
Apr 28, 2010

OK so I think I'm legitimately bad at this game. I just upgraded to the 70s Ford (Fiesta) and I can't even get through a shakedown without having at least one off. (the fact it's RHD after the Lancia which was LHD doesn't help, but I suspect the far bigger problem is my driving)

Praseodymi
Aug 26, 2010

If I'm thinking of the right cars, the biggest difference will be going from front wheel drive to rear. I find the biggest problem is that you can't just jam the throttle to pull you through corners, because in a RWD car you'll just oversteer and end up facing backwards.

alr
May 14, 2009
This was the video that helped me the most with RWD on gravel, this video shows the 80's BMW M3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnPuk2ECaIQ

The guy is an actual rally driver, don't worry too much about hitting his line or matching his pace or whatever, but listen to the throttle whenever he's going around a bend or over a crest. Get into the habit of letting the car slide rather than trying to force the issue and oversteering. Once you've got to the point where you're able to keep the car pointed the right direction for a whole stage you can worry about pushing yourself to go faster. For now, just focus on going slow enough that you're in control the whole time.

Thel
Apr 28, 2010

Praseodymi posted:

If I'm thinking of the right cars, the biggest difference will be going from front wheel drive to rear. I find the biggest problem is that you can't just jam the throttle to pull you through corners, because in a RWD car you'll just oversteer and end up facing backwards.

Yeah, it's also from FWD to RWD (Lancia Fulvia => Ford Escort Mk II). That said, it's simply not wandering off the road that's the challenging bit for me at the moment.

bUm
Jan 11, 2011

Thel posted:

OK so I think I'm legitimately bad at this game. I just upgraded to the 70s Ford (Fiesta) and I can't even get through a shakedown without having at least one off. (the fact it's RHD after the Lancia which was LHD doesn't help, but I suspect the far bigger problem is my driving)
The 70's Escort is alright and probably one of the easier 70's drives; I'd break down easiest to hardest as: Fiat 131 > Escort ≈ Opel Kadett >> Lancia Stratos.

The 70's cars are probably among the most challenging in the game honestly since they aren't as refined/composed as the 80's RWDs and 4WDs/FWDs tend to be more forgiving/straightforward. The only class that is definitely harder is Group B RWD.

In terms of tips: 1. you might not be king poo poo of horsepower yet, but you have enough that you don't need to be hard on the throttle as much as possible like the 60's cars (certainly not from the outset, you'll learn your limits with time and be better able to be aggressive) and 2. corresponding to point 1, your acceleration should be controlled both in timing and degree; properly orient your car in high speed bends before you use throttle to carry you around it and be gentle on the throttle for low speed corners so you don't spin it around.

Learning and relearning driving different classes of cars is a prominent facet of Dirt Rally so I'd get used to feeling like you suck when you just switch, even if it's just been awhile and you were once familiar.

osker posted:

If Pike's peak is the only hill climb you know or care about, then you are a pleb animal.
:sweatdrop:

Praseodymi
Aug 26, 2010

Who is Simmoniti? I don't think I've seen anyone post here under that name and they keep winning the league events.

IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch
The best way of doing this game is by driving well within your limits: you might lose a few seconds over the course of a stage but that's better than losing twenty seconds because you've rolled down a bank, or because you've hit a tree and damaged your engine. Also just because you feel that you are driving faster doesn't mean that you are; wildly sliding through every turn is fun and all, but that means that you are losing a tonne of time and speed. Also pray that you don't get two rear punctures at the same time: when that happens you definitely need to stop and change one since your car becomes totally uncontrollable when that happens: luckily for me it happened in a FWD car, I'd hate to see what it'd be like in a RWD thing.

bUm posted:

Also, the RS200 being a right-hand-drive is annoying (it's a Ford! :black101:).

it was build by ford of britain, and every RS200 was right hand drive in reality. All of the Ford rally cars in this game were designed and built in Britain, since building racing cars is apparently the only motoring-related thing we are good at...

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


IceAgeComing posted:

it was build by ford of britain, and every RS200 was right hand drive in reality. All of the Ford rally cars in this game were designed and built in Britain, since building racing cars is apparently the only motoring-related thing we are good at...

Hey Jaguars aren't total poo poo any more.

When you look slow, you're going fast. Just remember that in general and play safe until you know the limits of the car. Also learn to drive sideways because those RWD cars LOVE going sideways and going sideways is fun.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

Thel posted:

OK so I think I'm legitimately bad at this game. I just upgraded to the 70s Ford (Fiesta) and I can't even get through a shakedown without having at least one off. (the fact it's RHD after the Lancia which was LHD doesn't help, but I suspect the far bigger problem is my driving)

That is okay! You will be bad and you should always feel bad about being bad at this game. That said, Dirt Rally is the Dark Souls of racing games, I say that unironically. This is a very hard sim and takes an absurd amount of practice. The learning curve is steep as gently caress and you should realize that you just really need to play a lot and be patient. Dirt Rally will poo poo on you for a long rear end time.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


For context it took me about 4-5 championships to get through Open. 50 hours later I'm at Elite, regularly finishing top tier in dailies and was considering getting Richard Burns Rally until I saw some of the bullshit it presents.

Jehde
Apr 21, 2010

RBR is cool and good but Dirt Rally has made it obsolete. You can mod it up quite a bit to make it feel not so ancient, but why bother when Dirt Rally does it better anyways.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Jehde posted:

RBR is cool and good but Dirt Rally has made it obsolete. You can mod it up quite a bit to make it feel not so ancient, but why bother when Dirt Rally does it better anyways.

I wouldn't say obsolete, since RBR has a shitload of custom stages which Dirt doesn't (though I expect people to figure out how to do that eventually) but I wouldn't buy it unless I found it super cheap.

Red_Fred
Oct 21, 2010


Fallen Rib

njsykora posted:

For context it took me about 4-5 championships to get through Open. 50 hours later I'm at Elite, regularly finishing top tier in dailies and was considering getting Richard Burns Rally until I saw some of the bullshit it presents.

I just got to Clubman on my 4th try, feel less shamed now.

bUm
Jan 11, 2011
Think, granted using plenty of restarts while learning, I went up each time until Elite. :smugbert:

Still working on being good consistently: I can win Master's Championships, but usually have to restart a little to a lot (depending on focus level) to do so. Think I've only once so far got first in a 12-stage Master without using a single restart. Got the speed down, need to work on optimizing speed without mistakes.

njsykora posted:

I wouldn't say obsolete, since RBR has a shitload of custom stages which Dirt doesn't (though I expect people to figure out how to do that eventually) but I wouldn't buy it unless I found it super cheap.
Yeah, I was curious about snagging RBR* just for the stage variety and whatnot (doesn't look awful visually with the mods people have been keeping it alive with). Anyone know if it feels fairly similar to Dirt Rally such that skill/fun would be easily transferred? After Dirt Rally came out (to early access) I know a bunch of RBR fanboys were crying about how bad of a simulation Dirt Rally is (aka: most likely truer to life and those guys are just jaded by RBR being unnecessarily hard like many simulations of old that have poorer physics modelling) and that makes me hesitant to bother if it's going to feel like a huge learning curve to learn to cope with the less detailed/forgiving physics model.

I really hope they provide some info (or even a tool) to help modders make new stages for Dirt Rally. Even just adding more stages to existing locations (no need for additional graphic/model assets) would be great.

* A quick Google seemed to show no US sources to buy it that weren't third party resale and it's over a decade old so some liberties might be taken. :shobon:

Praseodymi posted:

Who is Simmoniti? I don't think I've seen anyone post here under that name and they keep winning the league events.
Was also curious about this. Did we just snag some random Russian dude looking for leagues to run or is he actually a goon? If it's the former, that's pretty lame.

Edit: Just checked the most popular leagues and Simmoniti is also in 3/4 most popular on that list. :raise:

IceAgeComing posted:

it was build by ford of britain, and every RS200 was right hand drive in reality. All of the Ford rally cars in this game were designed and built in Britain, since building racing cars is apparently the only motoring-related thing we are good at...
I figured it'd be something along those lines, but just google image searching or looking at the Wikipedia proves they definitely made LHD ones (both racing and non-racing variety).

Kind of curious if it counts as American or British manufacture then for perks; guess the perk changes next patch will clarify that which is good because it was real dumb that it didn't specify what counted for per-country manufacturer perks and kind of relied on your knowledge of automotive manufacturers/Google.

bUm fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Nov 22, 2015

Red_Fred
Oct 21, 2010


Fallen Rib
Are there any good guides on how to set up the cars? Is this going to make driving more enjoyable/faster?

IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch
I'd personally count most rally fords as British since they were designed in the UK - they certainly aren't American since they were based on the European models of the time which were different from the American ones. Its a pedantic thing though and really shouldn't matter, its not like you compete for your country in rallying...

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Red_Fred posted:

Are there any good guides on how to set up the cars? Is this going to make driving more enjoyable/faster?

If there's something you don't like about a certain car (too much understeer etc) then change what the game says will fix that problem. It's mostly personal preference really, since the speed is going to come more from you having the confidence that the car will do what you want the car to do. Generally when I get into a new car I increase the brake pressure slightly but that's about it.

IceAgeComing posted:

I'd personally count most rally fords as British since they were designed in the UK - they certainly aren't American since they were based on the European models of the time which were different from the American ones. Its a pedantic thing though and really shouldn't matter, its not like you compete for your country in rallying...

Colin Mcrae competed for GREAT BRITAIN until he lost to Richard Burns and became Scottish again, as is the fate of all Scottish/Welsh/Northern Irish sports people.

Skwee
Apr 29, 2010

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I dunno who the simmonitti dude is but he makes me feel inadequate.

Thel
Apr 28, 2010

bUm posted:

The 70's Escort is alright and probably one of the easier 70's drives; I'd break down easiest to hardest as: Fiat 131 > Escort ≈ Opel Kadett >> Lancia Stratos.

The 70's cars are probably among the most challenging in the game honestly since they aren't as refined/composed as the 80's RWDs and 4WDs/FWDs tend to be more forgiving/straightforward. The only class that is definitely harder is Group B RWD.

In terms of tips: 1. you might not be king poo poo of horsepower yet, but you have enough that you don't need to be hard on the throttle as much as possible like the 60's cars (certainly not from the outset, you'll learn your limits with time and be better able to be aggressive) and 2. corresponding to point 1, your acceleration should be controlled both in timing and degree; properly orient your car in high speed bends before you use throttle to carry you around it and be gentle on the throttle for low speed corners so you don't spin it around.

Learning and relearning driving different classes of cars is a prominent facet of Dirt Rally so I'd get used to feeling like you suck when you just switch, even if it's just been awhile and you were once familiar.


I said come in! posted:

That is okay! You will be bad and you should always feel bad about being bad at this game. That said, Dirt Rally is the Dark Souls of racing games, I say that unironically. This is a very hard sim and takes an absurd amount of practice. The learning curve is steep as gently caress and you should realize that you just really need to play a lot and be patient. Dirt Rally will poo poo on you for a long rear end time.


Thanks guys. It took me all of the shakedowns and a long-rear end time of "less gas more brakes", but I managed to make it through a stage in Wales without going (excessively) off-road or getting upside down (exception: I clipped one embankment, did a double roll and landed on my wheels facing the right way), so yay progress?

Also jesus christ RWD cars will get their rear end way out there at the drop of a hat, sheesh.

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njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Thel posted:

I clipped one embankment, did a double roll and landed on my wheels facing the right way), so yay progress?

I believe the kids refer to that as "swag". Also the achievement for doing that is one of my favourites in the game.

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