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Luigi Thirty posted:He's... not... wrong? Well, if you wanted to start doing some mental gymnastics, the harsh reparations imposed on Germany by the Triple Entente really laid the groundwork for Hitler's rise to power. If you then take into consideration that the international Zionist movement worked hand in hand with Great Britain to fight the Central Powers in the middle east you could in a weird sort of way say that yes, Zionist Jews played some part in the Holocaust.
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Greatbacon posted:Well, if you wanted to start doing some mental gymnastics, the harsh reparations imposed on Germany by the Triple Entente really laid the groundwork for Hitler's rise to power. If you then take into consideration that the international Zionist movement worked hand in hand with Great Britain to fight the Central Powers in the middle east you could in a weird sort of way say that yes, Zionist Jews played some part in the Holocaust. It's more that Germany surrendered after its army was defeated in the field, but before the public knew that their army was defeated in the field. We were way harsher in the aftermath of WWII but nobody, anywhere, had the slightest doubt that Germany got beaten completely because it was conquered before it surrendered. But in WWI, they surrendered once the army was beaten but before Germany was occupied, so the public faced years of war and then were suddenly told one day they lost, despite being told everything was going swimmingly and that all of the German armies were still on foreign territory.
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Luigi Thirty posted:So now you can get pulled off flights for speaking Arabic in the terminal and carrying a box of baklava because we live in 1936 Germany. I'd be kinda suspicious if a dude had a boxed ski mask tbh
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MonsieurLongDong posted:Keep in mind this is pro bono so it's not really "part of my job." Yeah I suppose I meant "part of the process" more than "part of your job." In any case, thanks for the info! As long as it takes, accepting refugees is still only like the first part of the whole thing, so I was just curious about what comes after.
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Luigi Thirty posted:that's a balaclava you bakaclava It's an honest mistake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8be9yLkT2mM
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Luigi Thirty posted:that's a balaclava you bakaclava I thought that was a card game, nm
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evilweasel posted:It's more that Germany surrendered after its army was defeated in the field, but before the public knew that their army was defeated in the field. We were way harsher in the aftermath of WWII but nobody, anywhere, had the slightest doubt that Germany got beaten completely because it was conquered before it surrendered. But in WWI, they surrendered once the army was beaten but before Germany was occupied, so the public faced years of war and then were suddenly told one day they lost, despite being told everything was going swimmingly and that all of the German armies were still on foreign territory. Okay yeah, the circumstances surrounding the end of the war also laid the ground for the idea that the politicians, not the soldiers, lost the war and provided a narrative for Hitler to ride into power. But without the serious economic collapse brought on by the terms of surrender (high reparation payments and the loss of some of Germany's prime industrial territory) there wouldn't have a been an angry and scared populace in the first place to latch onto fascism. Either way I was just making a really lovely point that Germany's loss in WWI lead to WWII and the holocaust, and the international Zionist movement came down on the side of the entente during the first world war. A really lovely person could thus attempt to argue that zionism lead to the holocaust.
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At least this thread taught me somethin g today. Thank you Luigi30, I didn't know you were someone in baklava.
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ayn rand hand job posted:At least this thread taught me somethin g today. That, everyone, is an example of bad comedy. Speaking of bad ideas, uhhhhhhhhhhh quote:A Utah school is apologizing after a ninth grade teacher assigned students to draw a propaganda poster for ISIS.
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Luigi Thirty posted:That, everyone, is an example of bad comedy. I wouldn't give it because holy poo poo that's asking to get fired, but I'm fine with that assignment, personally. Know thy enemy
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Luigi Thirty posted:that's a balaclava you bakaclava This is a wonderful post in an otherwise disturbing and saddening thread
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stephenfry posted:1) see, that's a distinction only his school would make quote:2) no, it just means he assigns a different priority. It does however make assertions his positive appraisal of clinton's proposal relative to whatever Bernie has is meritorious and weighty because of ~name~ wrong-ish quote:This. When it comes to shifting the overton window and making progress, if the legislation gets done it doesn't matter the (rhetorical, and not accepted as a premise by me) fervor behind it. Bernie has at least the ability of clinton to work congress, he was an independent.
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greatn posted:Do you have any idea how bad for you baklava is? Yeah man, but what a way to go. Really good baklava is one of the most decadent and delicious deserts you can have FairGame posted:This is a wonderful post in an otherwise disturbing and saddening thread Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Nov 21, 2015 |
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stephenfry posted:it should be noted that Krugman is a strange person to hold up as an authority, considering he is a strange thing these days: a purportedly liberal economist whose idealised priority is the old-fashioned "growth" of an economy or the "maximization" of GDP, rather than the collective human good (via reduction of inequality) or ecological stability Piketty's generation are interested in. you seem confused re:what the word 'liberal' means
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Greatbacon posted:Well, if you wanted to start doing some mental gymnastics, the harsh reparations imposed on Germany by the Triple Entente really laid the groundwork for Hitler's rise to power. If you then take into consideration that the international Zionist movement worked hand in hand with Great Britain to fight the Central Powers in the middle east you could in a weird sort of way say that yes, Zionist Jews played some part in the Holocaust. You're wrong. Hitler was responsible for WW2; not WW1. Hitler, and the goddamned Germans who refused to stand up and kill nazis. You kill baby Hitler, you kill WW2.
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icantfindaname posted:you seem confused re:what the word 'liberal' means I'd agree with stephenfry if this wasn't the USPOL thread, and therefore operating on US standards. (Feet, Pounds, Foot Pounds, Miles, Color, etc.)
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Magres posted:I wouldn't give it because holy poo poo that's asking to get fired, but I'm fine with that assignment, personally. Know thy enemy On the flip side, there's a chance that the assignment could land the students in hot water too, and potentially get some of them on no-fly lists. A low chance, perhaps, but that chance would doubtless be a lot higher for Arab or Muslim students. Instructive, perhaps, but on the whole A Bad Idea.
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evilweasel posted:It's more that Germany surrendered after its army was defeated in the field, but before the public knew that their army was defeated in the field. We were way harsher in the aftermath of WWII but nobody, anywhere, had the slightest doubt that Germany got beaten completely because it was conquered before it surrendered. But in WWI, they surrendered once the army was beaten but before Germany was occupied, so the public faced years of war and then were suddenly told one day they lost, despite being told everything was going swimmingly and that all of the German armies were still on foreign territory. This is nonsense. The Treaty of Versailles demanded that reparations be paid in foreign currency so that Germany had to take out loans or move cash out out of currency every time they paid up. Germany got none of this after WW2, and even got a load of debt forgiveness in the 1950s.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Not since Chris Hughes bought it from Marty "gently caress arabs" Peretz I'm really enjoying what Jeet Heer is doing with it so far at least.
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Wales Grey posted:I'd agree with stephenfry if this wasn't the USPOL thread, and therefore operating on US standards. (Feet, Pounds, Foot Pounds, Miles, Color, etc.) Krugman is 150% in the liberal tradition, and not just in the specifically American sense of the word. Utilitarian GDP maximization is as liberal as liberal gets. Bernie is also a liberal, albeit one who has his own weird formulation of liberal ideology. icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Nov 21, 2015 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:You're wrong. Hitler was responsible for WW2; not WW1. Hitler, and the goddamned Germans who refused to stand up and kill nazis. At the cost of an unresolvable time paradox, sure
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icantfindaname posted:Krugman is 150% in the liberal tradition, and not just in the specifically American sense of the word. Utilitarian GDP maximization is as liberal as liberal gets This drops his focus on international economic issues in a very unfair way. That he would pick a policy that reduced domestic inequality to a lesser degree but also addressed global uplift over one that only addressed domestic inequality is not a good criticism basis for anyone who stands on the left side of the political debate
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Uh, Krugman is deeply concerned with inequality and thinks reducing inequality is more important than growth. http://nytimes.com/2013/12/16/opinion/krugman-why-inequality-matters.html quote:The best argument for putting inequality on the back burner is the depressed state of the economy. Isn’t it more important to restore economic growth than to worry about how the gains from growth are distributed?
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Fried Chicken posted:This drops his focus on international economic issues in a very unfair way. That he would pick a policy that reduced domestic inequality to a lesser degree but also addressed global uplift over one that only addressed domestic inequality is not a good criticism basis for anyone who stands on the left side of the political debate I don't? Liberalism is cool and good, as is Krugman My problem with a lot of the Bernie-style 'leftist' critiques of liberalism is that they don't seem to have a very good understanding of either liberalism or the far left and their respective intellectual and historical contexts. Bernie isn't a leftist and nobody but American liberals with a vague sense of unease re:economic justice would call him one
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JeffersonClay posted:Uh, Krugman is deeply concerned with inequality and thinks reducing inequality is more important than growth. It is in fact, something that his fellow economists sometimes criticize him for.
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icantfindaname posted:I don't? Liberalism is cool and good, as is Krugman I misread your post as a criticism of it (liberalism) in the international sense (where liberal are the David Cameron style assholes rather than being the people pushing for a more equitable organization) then. Apologies.
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White supremacists from /pol/ apparently showed up at the Black Lives Matter protests in Minneapolis last night, armed, and are planning to do so again tonight: https://www.facebook.com/BlackLivesMatterMinneapolis/videos/1010885932288533/ http://pastebin.com/FkA1B2rq
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Also reminder, Krugman left Princenton and now teaches at CUNY And what's that suppose to mean?
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KomradeX posted:And what's that suppose to mean? That the person in question clearly doesn't follow him very well. (And yes, I know he's talking more largely about being from the Princeton School, but there subtext of Krugman leaving Princeton also related to his larger changes in how he views economics.)
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Joementum posted:New Bernie TV ad. Pretty good, hits on all of the main campaign planks. It's sad that he won't get the nomination because I believe in his commitment to addressing income inequality, wealth disparity and actually doing something about the financial sector's excesses far more than I do Hillary's. I fully expect Hillary to pivot center-right as soon as she wins the nomination (and the general) on most everything, including banking reform and income inequality. Still, Bernie's doing better than I think a lot of people ever expected against a rightist neoliberal in the primaries, so maybe the actual left is finally finding some traction.
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a shameful boehner posted:Pretty good, hits on all of the main campaign planks. After Obama, I'm amazed anyone has any faith in liberal promises made during campaigns.
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My Imaginary GF posted:You're wrong. Hitler was responsible for WW2; not WW1. Hitler, and the goddamned Germans who refused to stand up and kill nazis. your best bet to kill hitler is probably during the beer hall putsch riot. just use a sniper rifle and top him in the head when leading a street fight. Bullfrog posted:White supremacists from /pol/ apparently showed up at the Black Lives Matter protests in Minneapolis last night, armed, and are planning to do so again tonight: https://www.facebook.com/BlackLivesMatterMinneapolis/videos/1010885932288533/ Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Nov 21, 2015 |
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