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Elyv posted:Banning a card under the premise of hurting bloom but not killing it is silly. It's doable, but it's silly. I think you either blow the deck out of the water(by banning literally any key card) or leave it be. Amulet Bloom is a combo deck that needs 4 different cards (Titan, Amulet, Bloom, Bounceland) to combo and put a Titan in play on turn 2, it needs a second Amulet to get the kill. There are multiple 1 or 2 mana cards that completely negate anything the deck tries to do. Sure, you need to have those cards in hand but so does the Bloom deck and the Amulet player used 4 cards while you stopped that with 1 card. One discard spell or one Path to Exile negates anything you've been trying to do and sets the deck back multiple turns. It hasn't put up amazing results at a regular base and is still a small part of the metagame. I really don't get all the bitching about the deck. When Affinity vomits it's hand on the table and pretty much kills you on turn 2 or 3 (just like Amulet) or when storm does it's thing on turn 3 (like Amulet) or when Living End starts to do it's stuff on your turn 2 I don't hear the same amount of bitching from people (normal players and pro's alike). What's the difference? lockdar fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Nov 22, 2015 |
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kizudarake posted:If anything needs to lose key cards, it's affinity and Twin. Twin at 12.1 percent of the metagame and affinity at 10.4? That's almost a quarter of the field on day 2. That's almost healthy and within acceptable tolerances!
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lockdar posted:Amulet Bloom is a combo deck that needs 4 different cards (Titan, Amulet, Bloom, Bounceland) to combo and put a Titan in play on turn 2, it needs a second Amulet to get the kill. There are multiple 1 or 2 mana cards that completely negate anything the deck tries to do. Sure, you need to have those cards in hand but so does the Bloom deck and the Amulet player used 4 cards while you stopped that with 1 card. One discard spell or one Path to Exile negates anything you've been trying to do and sets the deck back multiple turns. It hasn't put up amazing results at a regular base and is still a small part of the metagame. I really don't get all the bitching about the deck. You're not disagreeing with my core argument. Also, amulet only gets set back multiple turns by removal if the amulet player decides to greedy instead of titaning for tolaria west + bounceland(if needed).
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Niton posted:BBE is a known quantity and I don't think Wizards particularly wants it back. Not because of power level reasons (though, BBE + KCommand I was adding a more ridiculous part to my post because why not :P
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Unban Bloodbraidf Elf and Green Sun's Zenith, then you have to choose which one to put in your green deck.
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Lets Pickle posted:Unban Bloodbraidf Elf and Green Sun's Zenith, then you have to choose which one to put in your green deck. This but unironically
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Lets Pickle posted:Unban Bloodbraidf Elf and Green Sun's Zenith, then you have to choose which one to put in your green deck. Just play both and Dryad Arbors, clearly. Also Leonin Arbiter is kind of gross. e: jesus christ, there is no just world where you should be able to win off a topdeck like that. I can accept Scapeshift, Living End, etc topdecking in that sense, because they're all in on the combo.. but Splinter Twin definitely is not. Niton fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Nov 22, 2015 |
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The "local best teen in the shop" I always talk just finished 8th in the Swiss at the GP. My record against him is 3-10-1. He's on UR Twin.
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As someone who played Amulet Bloom, SSG is a bad ban target because there are other, arguably more swingy combo decks that need it as well as a considerably more 'fair' combo deck in Ad Nauseam. If you want to make Bloom more fair, I think Hive Mind is a good target because it takes the most likely version of the uninteractive win out and forces the deck to win via combat damage and opens up creature removal as a counter to the win condition. You can still get incredibly unlikely turn 1 wins, though. Unironically reprint Force of Will for Modern.
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bhsman posted:As someone who played Amulet Bloom, SSG is a bad ban target because there are other, arguably more swingy combo decks that need it as well as a considerably more 'fair' combo deck in Ad Nauseam. If you want to make Bloom more fair, I think Hive Mind is a good target because it takes the most likely version of the uninteractive win out and forces the deck to win via combat damage and opens up creature removal as a counter to the win condition. You can still get incredibly unlikely turn 1 wins, though. So there's 1 deck that uses it in a "fair" way and every other deck abuses it horribly. Ban every card in Amulet except I guess Serum Visions because that card is laughably bad. bhsman posted:Unironically reprint Force of Will for Modern. Mostly this.
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suicidesteve posted:So there's 1 deck that uses it in a "fair" way and every other deck abuses it horribly. Ban every card in Amulet except I guess Serum Visions because that card is laughably bad. I mean, having a degenerate combo that doesn't win tournaments seems acceptable; the difference between those and Amulet Bloom is that it consistently does well.
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bhsman posted:I mean, having a degenerate combo that doesn't win tournaments seems acceptable; the difference between those and Amulet Bloom is that it consistently does well. I'd argue that the inconsistency is even worse. Do you know how miserable it is to lose your tournament to someone playing some inconsistent deck like that stupid Griselbrand deck when they just happen to draw the perfect hand to kill you turn 2 on the play and there's nothing you can do to stop it because modern isn't allowed to have actual answers. At least with Bloom you know you lost to A Good Deck that's at worst moderately consistent. But like, oops turn 2 Griselbrand with Thoughtseize backup is pretty stupid.
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suicidesteve posted:I'd argue that the inconsistency is even worse. Do you know how miserable it is to lose your tournament to someone playing some inconsistent deck like that stupid Griselbrand deck when they just happen to draw the perfect hand to kill you turn 2 on the play and there's nothing you can do to stop it because modern isn't allowed to have actual answers. You're not wrong on how lovely that feels, but it's the same as losing to an obviously under-skilled player/newbie, a gimmick deck, or just mana-flooded/screwed. Besides, gimmicky combos that don't always do well are, like, the mascot of this thread. 
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SSG is a 0-1 of in Amulet lists, banning it would do very little to the deck. I suspect that its main purpose is to allow you to palm a turn 1 kill
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Irony Be My Shield posted:SSG is a 0-1 of in Amulet lists, banning it would do very little to the deck. I suspect that its main purpose is to allow you to palm a turn 1 kill Or draw it naturally, but yeah.
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I fee like either of the cards in Amulet Bloom's name would be good ban targets to kill the deck without touching the rest of the environment, and banning hive mind would weaken the deck and make it vulnerable to the same things that the other combo decks are all vulnerable to (cheap point removal) with the Pact loop giving it a resiliency that allows it to function on a different vector than twin, making it a viable "combo" deck alongside twin.
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The wheels kinda fell off today. Started off 1-0 to go 9-1 and then got 0-2'd by affinity on exact damage 2 games in a row when I had the game the next turn both games. Then lost 2 more in a row to twin not drawing any of my SB... ID'd the final round to get the cash but not what I hoped for after yesterday...
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mcmagic posted:Then lost 2 more in a row to twin not drawing any of my SB... modern.txt
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mcmagic posted:The wheels kinda fell off today. Started off 1-0 to go 9-1 and then got 0-2'd by affinity on exact damage 2 games in a row when I had the game the next turn both games. Then lost 2 more in a row to twin not drawing any of my SB... ID'd the final round to get the cash but not what I hoped for after yesterday... Sorry to hear that.  What were you running? The Affinity deck?
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bhsman posted:Sorry to hear that. He was playing RG Tron. Don't pity him. Also that Choke. Sure is an interesting and healthy card.
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haha dude at gp has a teferi out and casts a keranos at his main phase instead of flashing it in at his opponents end step, opening him up to path to exile and celestial purge and whatnot. i know everyone makes especially after a long day, but it's interesting to see that this kind of stuff happens at the top tables
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Lottery of Babylon posted:modern.txt It's variance heh. I beat it twice day 1 cause I drew my SB. Just didn't see enough of it today.
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mcmagic posted:I beat it twice day 1 cause I drew my SB. This too is modern.txt
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Probably more like "I'm playing the deck that beats fair decks but dies to combo".
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Samael posted:http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gppit15/day-2-metagame-breakdown-2015-11-22 I wish this had decklists so I could see some of the weirder stuff. Did anyone ever get a decklist for that UW Hatebears list? Asking for a friend.
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C-Euro posted:I wish this had decklists so I could see some of the weirder stuff. Did anyone ever get a decklist for that UW Hatebears list? Asking for a friend. I played against the guy randomly at a side table, but all I can tell you is that Thalia is really good against cheerios! It was a cool deck. Maindeck meddling mages, sky hussar, thalia, and vryn's wingmare if I recall. e; He was also super nice!
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Affinity won over Craig Wescoe's GW Aggro, despite turn 2 Stony Silence from Craig. Turns out racing in the air with signal pests is still pretty good.
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Skyl3lazer posted:sky hussar ....Greg Hatch is that you?
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bhsman posted:Or draw it naturally, but yeah. Just playing the deck occasionally online I've liked the 1x Spirit Guide. It's hard to describe why exactly, but it just smoothes things out and at least like half the time you draw it it just lets you do something you couldn't have done otherwise.
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So, figured out that you only get the new commander product via packs from the Legendary Cube. Sure, why not. Drafting a black/red controlly deck, cause I don't know if that's even a valid archetype. And I draft this.  I will let you figure out what's wrong with it.
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Yeah, I'm not really sure how that made it in.
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mcmagic posted:The wheels kinda fell off today. Started off 1-0 to go 9-1 and then got 0-2'd by affinity on exact damage 2 games in a row when I had the game the next turn both games. Then lost 2 more in a row to twin not drawing any of my SB... ID'd the final round to get the cash but not what I hoped for after yesterday... RIP my hopes and dreams of seeing mcmagic in the top 8.  Bad luck bro.
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Are the other four flip walkers in? It kiiiiind of makes sense if still incredibly dumb then.
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Alaan posted:Are the other four flip walkers in? It kiiiiind of makes sense if still incredibly dumb then. 95% sure they're all in
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:lol retarded infinite combo wins gp There it is! I knew if I refreshed this post someone would be bitching about Twin despite it hasn't been doing well in modern for months. jassi007 fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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