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Also Jack is from the 50th century or thereabouts; probably by then they have lifespans into 200 years or so, and there could be some genetic engineering/evolution at hand that would help memory. I think it's also worth comparing why Jack isn't such a dick. Of course, he's had less time than Ashdlr; could he be headed for the same fate? Could the Doctor meet a Jack in the year 2300 who is a raging evil rear end in a top hat? That'd be worth an episode.
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In episode 4x07, Itchy makes a xylophone from Scratchy's ribcage, and strikes the same rib twice, but it produces the same tone both times. I sure hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
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I found Clara's death really underwhelming, which makes me think this isn't exactly it. I did like when she refers to how Danny died, but overall it really felt small. As others have said, we very well could end the season with the Doctor going back along his time line trying to save Clara.
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Astroman posted:Also Jack is from the 50th century or thereabouts; probably by then they have lifespans into 200 years or so, and there could be some genetic engineering/evolution at hand that would help memory. Jack actually remembers the emotional context of his memories. Ashldlr only remembers her interactions with the Doctor and Clara in the context of reading them out of her diary.
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twistedmentat posted:I found Clara's death really underwhelming, which makes me think this isn't exactly it. I did like when she refers to how Danny died, but overall it really felt small. It felt a tad rushed, I think, but it's probably because this has been a season with a lot of two-parters, which has sought to really dwell on the dramatic moments with big, swelling music and long, speechless. It's a little weird that it had its own writer, because it seems like it was so tied with everything else in the series that it would have had to be really heavily edited. I liked it overall, but I have some minor misgivings. I know the "constantly being reckless after Danny" is a little obvious, but it did feel genuine and embedded throughout the season. I'm a little upset that her death is way more about the Doctor than about her, though. I guess maybe that's a little inevitable in a show where the titular character is immortal and in which he completely alters the lives of the people he interacts with; their experiencing their own lives is always going to be about experiencing his. Either way, I have mostly really liked this season. The Gatiss episode was a bit of a dud for me. The "found footage" thing just felt like it was trying too hard, and the shock ending that the Doctor telegraphed a few seconds before it happened felt more like an apology for adhering to formula than a clever way to embed the formula as a reason into the fiction. Other than that one, I've really enjoyed it. The Zygon two-parter felt a bit like the old UNIT days with a David Tennant shouty-speech at the end, but I'm a sucker for that kind of thing. I hope Harness, Mathieson and Treganna all come back to do more writing (and Sarah Dollard too - I'd be interested to see what she would do with something a little more self-contained). I hope they don't use Clara's departure as an excuse to an entirely grimdark season, though.
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Happy 52nd birthday, Doctor Who
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Burkion posted:If she is the next companion long term, I might stop watching new episodes for a while. Maybe the Sci-fi fictional technology doesn't work the way you randomly decided you dumb nerd
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Jerusalem posted:My favorite bit is when Condo is lightly touching Sarah-Jane and Solon (Philip Madoc I love how the Doc keeps cracking wise to the Sisters and winding them up: "No Sorin, I'm delighted to see you, that music was terrible!" 
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) is allowing it, and then she groans and he very quietly snaps,"Okay stop that, she doesn't like it."
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Astroman posted:Also Jack is from the 50th century or thereabouts; probably by then they have lifespans into 200 years or so, and there could be some genetic engineering/evolution at hand that would help memory. Ashildr's brain and glands and whatnot were 'locked in' when she was a teenager. Teenagers have trouble with impulsiveness and poor decision making partly because they lack life experience, and partly because their brain isn't completely finished and their hormones are a bit wild. She's not exactly an adult, she's a very old teenager. Jack was fully an adult. In his 20s, maybe even 30s when he got stuck (assuming future healthcare helps people stay healthy and youthful looking longer). His brain was fully cooked and he had well developed coping mechanisms. He might have an advantage in the long term. Jack also had a cultural advantage for long-term isolation. He was a free agent, and he liked it that way. He could make new friends easily. He valued himself as an individual, not by his job or his family. Ashildr 1.O was very much a member of a tight knit community, not an individual. Everyone knew her, likely everyone she knew was related to her. Her village wasn't just her home, it was her family, her clan, and her sense of self derived from that. She wanted to be a shield maiden, but she also fully expected to get married and have babies and eventually grandchildren because that is what everyone does. After becoming immortal she was repeatedly cut off from her sense of community when everyone she loved died through disaster or just the passing of time. It gutted her. Losing her family over and over was too painful, so she cut herself off from the tapestry of community and became just Me. But at the time she did that, she still didn't have a good cultural template for footloose individuality like Jack. Jack is probably okay.
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ewe2 posted:I love how the Doc keeps cracking wise to the Sisters and winding them up: "No Sorin, I'm delighted to see you, that music was terrible!" Sacred fire, sacred flame!
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The_Doctor posted:Yes please. I think this is my most wanted Doctor Who thing. Well, maybe number two after Marco Polo being found, I don't know. I'm just very fond of the Tenth Planet Cybes and would love to see them (or something closer to that concept) come back so much.
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Little_wh0re posted:Maybe the Sci-fi fictional technology doesn't work the way you randomly decided you dumb nerd Indeed. Not only that but how can we be sure that their human brain works exactly the same as our brains? After all Doctor Who must take place in a different universe and we cannot assume that their and our laws of physics are the same. In other words: Don't overthink every little detail you nerds.
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Astroman posted:Also Jack is from the 50th century or thereabouts; probably by then they have lifespans into 200 years or so, and there could be some genetic engineering/evolution at hand that would help memory. Wait, I thought it was heavily implied that Jack turned in to the Face of Boe after thousands or hundreds of thousands of years?
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Little_wh0re posted:Maybe the Sci-fi fictional technology doesn't work the way you randomly decided you dumb nerd Well there is something of an inconsistency (she wouldn't need to "learn how to be immune to the plague" through practice, the alien healing device would do that) but it's not worth an essay over. No, essays are for things like " CobiWann posted:Sacred fire, sacred flame! About 10 minutes into Brain, the Sisterhood start to chant "DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH!" after each of the mother superior's lines. I want someone to make an edit of this serial where it happens after every single one of her lines. Bonus points for doing Night, too (quoting me from the last thread) After The War posted:REPEAT That's also bad, but not as bad because the fact that the Master is working against the Doctor is not presented as a twist every time. MrL_JaKiri fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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A lot of the hate for Me/Ashildr comes from the way the character is put forward - emotionally flattened from having gone through over a millenia of poo poo. Sure, they could have played her as masking internal torment with campy humour, but that's been done to death in this series (Missy, River, Capt Jack etc etc). The problem is that emotionally rigid characters work best as straight men for a wider cast (Mass Effect), and takes ridiculous acting chops to pull off (Jennifer Hale). I think Williams did pretty well at portraying the mask slipping when the doctor shows up and she's immediately hurled out of her depth.CobiWann posted:Sacred fire, sacred flame! I love that the mystical technobabble that saved the mystical order of whatjamathing was 1970s chimney cleaner. It puts the rest of the doctor pulling obscure technology out of his rear end in (silly) context.
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This, plus You know, Doctor, I could play all day in my green kingdom. and YOU CAN'T MEND PEOPLE!!! are my top three favourite quotes 
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The theory that we have been watching this series out of order is interesting, but how does Ashildr fit into it? If this is the Doctor from before the start of this series then he shouldn't know Ashildr.
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Senor Tron posted:The theory that we have been watching this series out of order is interesting, but how does Ashildr fit into it? If this is the Doctor from before the start of this series then he shouldn't know Ashildr. This is a really excellent point actually.
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Big Finish put a bunch of their most popular main range titles on sale for the week. Any recommendations?
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Ms Boods posted:This, plus No love for "Good evening, impulse laser"? http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2fl8uu_arc-of-infinity-pt-1_shortfilms (7:45 in)
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And a very happy 52nd birthday to all of you at home! There is only one way to celebrate. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x23j8l3_an-unearthly-child-1-an-unearthly-child_shortfilms The exact time to watch this, if you're a real stickler, is 5:16pm in the Queen's Own Time Zone, which is 12:16 Eastern (any other Johnny Foreigner types can work it out for themselves). It's still the best 23 minutes the show's ever done.
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Clouseau posted:Big Finish put a bunch of their most popular main range titles on sale for the week. Any recommendations? They’re all pretty solid (save for Terror Firma which you either love or…well, Joseph Lidster)…but the best of the best? The Holy Terror The Chimes of Midnight Spare Parts Davros The Kingmaker The Silver Turk The Rani Elite The Last of the Cybermen If I only had to pick three? The Chimes of Midnight, Davros, The Last of the Cybermen
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Cool! I've listened to all the earlier ones that have been cheap all along, but these newer ones I'm pretty well behind on. I'll check these out.
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CobiWann posted:They’re all pretty solid (save for Terror Firma which you either love or…well, Joseph Lidster)…but the best of the best? How on earth is Terror Firma in that list?
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Fil5000 posted:How on earth is Terror Firma in that list? The list of 20 is from fan voting – these are the top 20 main range stories as picked by Big Finish fans. Some people love this story because it’s Eight, Davros, and the Daleks.
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CobiWann posted:The list of 20 is from fan voting – these are the top 20 main range stories as picked by Big Finish fans. Ugh. Well, to each their own, even if their own is a big stinking pile of garbage.
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Fil5000 posted:Ugh. Well, to each their own, even if their own is a big stinking pile of garbage. Hey, one man’s Terror Firma is another man’s The Rapture!
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The reason BF keeps putting out things like Terror Firma is that their target demographic eats that poo poo up. Hopefully their acquisition of the New Series license will lead to a shift in their perception of their ideal target demo and we'll get some actually inventive stuff in their Main Range more than once or twice a year, like in the time around the 40th.
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CobiWann posted:Hey, one man’s Terror Firma is another man’s The Rapture! I can't help but feel you're doing this on purpose.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:No love for "Good evening, impulse laser"? Heh -- a good one, but doesn't ring my chimes the way those other three do. Trin Tragula posted:And a very happy 52nd birthday to all of you at home! There is only one way to celebrate.  I cued this up this morning on DailyMotion, and thought, 'Nah, it's too bright and sunny for this!' Got the tab waiting for another two hours (it's only 1515 at the moment) when it's suitably dark.(I watched Gridlock again, instead, as we've just wended our way through Father Ted and I suddenly remembered that Brannigan the Cat was played by Ardal O'Hanlon and wanted to see it again -- crikey, it's probably been years since I watched a Martha Jones episode.)
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The idea that the villain is either named Mr Impulse Laser or is actually literally just an impulse laser tickles me
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Fil5000 posted:How on earth is Terror Firma in that list? Terry Molloy said it was his favorite BF script.  EDIT - But what if he was just playing a Davros-style mind game with us?! 
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DoctorWhat posted:The reason BF keeps putting out things like Terror Firma is that their target demographic eats that poo poo up. Who is their target demographic, anyway? I've always assumed it's just "Doctor Who fans", but is it any particular type thereof?
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Wheat Loaf posted:Who is their target demographic, anyway? I've always assumed it's just "Doctor Who fans", but is it any particular type thereof? People who will consume expanded continuity media, ie big nerds I guess
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You might as well ask for Marvel and DC to concentrate their output on inventive new comics instead of Batman punching the Joker for the thousandth time. It's what the nerd fans want, and that's the only people buying these things. We can cherish the diamonds in the poo poo but the you'll always have the poo poo to sift through.
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