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Zythrst posted:I suspect that a lot of it for some depends on what you mean about PC. If PC mean, 'man what that guy said is f'd up and I'm going to judge him personally', then that's fine more or less. However if it becomes, 'man what that guy said is f'd up and now I'm going to throw him in jail', then I think there's nothing non progressive about being against that. I'm not sure if there's anyone who actually thinks people should be jailed for saying un-PC things. There's a lot who think those ultra PC people exist, though, and that's where the liberals who are very anti-PC usually are. They're mostly white guys who like Bernie Sanders and hate the right and religion, but get real upset if anyone tells them that women still face oppression or that their abortion jokes are in bad taste.
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Practical Demon posted:I'm not sure if there's anyone who actually thinks people should be jailed for saying un-PC things. Except people do get jailed all over the world even in western democracies. So given that along with the U.S.'s particular veneration of free speech it doesn't surprise me that some people see social pressure and think that it will somehow lead the government action if you don't vigorously defend the right to speech. eta- comedians in particular because pushing the envelope is what many see as their livelihood.
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Practical Demon posted:I'm not sure if there's anyone who actually thinks people should be jailed for saying un-PC things. There's a lot who think those ultra PC people exist, though, and that's where the liberals who are very anti-PC usually are. They're mostly white guys who like Bernie Sanders and hate the right and religion, but get real upset if anyone tells them that women still face oppression or that their abortion jokes are in bad taste. Ultra PC people do exist, though. They're not in as high a number as White Supremacists would have you believe, but I know of at least two incidents where people had their lives ruined because they said/did something unquestionably stupid and got pilloried beyond what could be considered a proportional response. There was the woman who made that dumbass Africa tweet just before she boarded a plane; some guy at Gawker dedicated his life to ruining hers and succeeded, right up to the moment where HE made a lovely tweet of his own and got his poo poo pushed in. Then there was that fan-artist who ended up trying to kill herself because cyberbullies wouldn't leave her alone; she was constantly drawing a fat character from Steven Universe as thin, which apparently makes you an irredeemable piece of poo poo. There was key staff on the show trying to step in and say "Hey, this is really terrible," and even THEY got loving roasted for it. To be clear, none of this is to say that PC is an inherently bad thing. We should all strive to be more considerate of others and stand up for people who are marginalized. But like anything, it's possible to take it too far or get into it for the wrong reasons altogether. Anybody who genuinely wants to contribute to a safer, more inclusive world should always have that possibility in the back of their minds.
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thehustler posted:PS also people say the word liberal but don't really know what liberal means. Most people who identify as liberal probably mean socialist democrat. It's social democrat 
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WTF is wrong with abortion jokes, are you alienating the members of your audience who were aborted? That's a really weird example.
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This tangent on liberal comedians' friction with the so-called PC police has drifted a lot. Sorry for kind of starting it. My issue is with traditionally liberal comedians who clearly have a big itch to scratch to the point it affects their material; when there's clearly grating preemptive defensive posturing within their work. That's the point where I get annoyed. Stephen Colbert and Trevor Noah were able to handle criticism well. But other people got mad at the PC police for them because they had a gripe with some person on twitter or whatever who wronged them and didn't know when to blink when it came to other people who didn't disagree with them.
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DivisionPost posted:Ultra PC people do exist, though. They're not in as high a number as White Supremacists would have you believe, but I know of at least two incidents where people had their lives ruined because they said/did something unquestionably stupid and got pilloried beyond what could be considered a proportional response. There was the woman who made that dumbass Africa tweet just before she boarded a plane; some guy at Gawker dedicated his life to ruining hers and succeeded, right up to the moment where HE made a lovely tweet of his own and got his poo poo pushed in. Then there was that fan-artist who ended up trying to kill herself because cyberbullies wouldn't leave her alone; she was constantly drawing a fat character from Steven Universe as thin, which apparently makes you an irredeemable piece of poo poo. There was key staff on the show trying to step in and say "Hey, this is really terrible," and even THEY got loving roasted for it. Neither of these examples have anything to do with "ultra PC people" or "liberals" or whatever, these are just cases of psychopaths on the internet, which have been a thing as long as there has been an internet.
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I was watching an old SNL last night, Ben Affleck / N.E.R.D. from March 2004, and the 12:55 sketch used "Janice from Accounting" The Full Moon Killer Either an SNL writer from that era now works on LWT, or it's just a good name/profession combo for comedy writing. Betting on the latter.
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raditts posted:Neither of these examples have anything to do with "ultra PC people" or "liberals" or whatever, these are just cases of psychopaths on the internet, which have been a thing as long as there has been an internet. So the ultra radical strawmen on one side are indicative of their group but the same people on your side are just psychopaths on the internet. gently caress you, go troll somewhere else.
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Krinkle posted:I tried those search term optimization filters and whatever the last one was didn't link to LWT. Well he said the website "used to" use them. Maybe they don't anymore. Although they will probably end up leading to LWT fairly soon anyway thanks to google bombing from all the people that are going to try it.
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Krowley posted:Last I checked reddit was actively being astroturfed by stormfront and other white supremacist groups People on the internet are just the worst, no matter where you go. And everybody accepts this, but pointing out that those same people are actual people, and exist, and are everywhere and not just on the internet paints you as the PC police, and you get your poo poo shut down super fast.
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Austrian mook posted:So the ultra radical strawmen on one side are indicative of their group but the same people on your side are just psychopaths on the internet. gently caress you, go troll somewhere else. Hahaha what
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Austrian mook posted:So the ultra radical strawmen on one side are indicative of their group but the same people on your side are just psychopaths on the internet. gently caress you, go troll somewhere else. All he said was that people on the internet are stupid assholes, which sums up what he was quoting nicely, because it's a universal truth. The gently caress are you talking about? LividLiquid posted:The day GBS 2.0 went into effect, and all of the "catlady brigade" rules were lifted, the entire subforum was inundated with racist bullshit, to the point that the mods had to be like, "Okay, still no rules, except for racism. Sexism and everything else is still cool, but no racism." Exactly, this. It's not PC run amok, it's people on the internet being stupid assholes about whatever they can possibly be stupid assholes about. The only difference here is that because of twitter/facebook/etc the anonymity is now removed and there may or may not be real life consequences to someone being a stupid rear end in a top hat on the internet, but as we all know, that lack of anonymity doesn't seem to be any deterrent whatsoever to being a stupid rear end in a top hat on the internet and tweeting racist/sexist/whatever poo poo. People are dumb stupid assholes and twitter et al are pulling back the veil, that's all.
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But seriously what in god's name are they covering on WCBS News at 11??
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Scorchy posted:But seriously what in god's name are they covering on WCBS News at 11?? VIAGRA... FOR KIDS! 
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Scorchy posted:But seriously what in god's name are they covering on WCBS News at 11?? Long. Distance. Chicken.
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:it was nice to have a lighter story as the focus this week As someone who is temporarily living in an euro country I can symphatize, loving cents.
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Rarity posted:VIAGRA... FOR KIDS! Seriously, what the gently caress is up with that
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webmeister posted:Seriously, what the gently caress is up with that Any goon already on a watch list wanna google it for us?
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webmeister posted:Seriously, what the gently caress is up with that Doctors are prescribing kids Viagra to counter a life threatening lung condition, despite no Clinical Trials having been done on its effect on children. It's a really dumb title for a report on how we give Children drugs tested only on Adults and how little drug testing is done for babies and children because there isn't any money in it and very few parents willing to volunteer their children for a trial.
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^^^ you bastard ^^^Jonas Albrecht posted:Any goon already on a watch list wanna google it for us? Just a guess but it's probably got some non-boner related benefit that would be useful in treating something kids get.
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Also relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5UT04p5f7U
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$5 says there's no new Bugle in the coming time between now and February. 
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Honestly I'd be cool with ditching nickels and dimes too.
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IRQ posted:Honestly I'd be cool with ditching nickels and dimes too. As a Canadian, I certainly don't miss the penny, and really don't understand what the big deal is with the U.S. not getting rid of theirs yet. I'm surprised it took us as long as it did. What's with your country, guys? Why are so many common sense things so difficult to grasp?! 
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Here in Australia it's rare I see myself using cash at all. Almost every store I go to has contactless payment.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I don't care what John says, the new Muppets show is fantastic The new pig muppet pretty much disappeared after the first episode, anyway. Rupert Buttermilk posted:As a Canadian, I certainly don't miss the penny, and really don't understand what the big deal is with the U.S. not getting rid of theirs yet. I'm surprised it took us as long as it did. Lobbyists.
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Canada recently started phasing out the penny. If you pay cash, it gets rounded to the nearest five cents. If you pay electronically, it's the exact amount. Of course, almost everything in Canada is through debit cards, these days.
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Practical Demon posted:The new pig muppet pretty much disappeared after the first episode, anyway. No, she comes back. She was in this latest week's episode, anyway. TheCenturion posted:Canada recently started phasing out the penny. If you pay cash, it gets rounded to the nearest five cents. If you pay electronically, it's the exact amount. I was kind of blown away when I learned that, in the states, email money transfers don't really exist. I mean, they might if two people are using the same bank, but Canada has that poo poo sorted out, and it's extremely convenient. Then I learned the reason is because there are tons and tons of banks in the states, as opposed to the 8-9 we have up here, who have all signed on to use the Interac process for e-transfers. We might pay more for poo poo, but dammit, there's never been a problem of getting the money where it needs to go. Weird hole-in-the-wall credit unions are still difficult to work with, however.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I was kind of blown away when I learned that, in the states, email money transfers don't really exist. I mean, they might if two people are using the same bank, but Canada has that poo poo sorted out, and it's extremely convenient. Then I learned the reason is because there are tons and tons of banks in the states, as opposed to the 8-9 we have up here, who have all signed on to use the Interac process for e-transfers.
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TheCenturion posted:Then you learn that Canada is about a decade behind Europe, in terms of how banks work. I still have no idea why 'cheques take a week to clear' is still a thing, in Canada, or why bank holidays or weekends are still a thing; the computers really shouldn't care when I talk to an ATM or not. But we don't have bank holidays up here, though they do in Europe.
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I was confused upon making a transaction at a teller in the US and having to fill out the deposit slip. In backwards Canada-land, that's what the teller does. What's the point of the teller aside from stopping you from stealing all the free pens.
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Fans posted:Doctors are prescribing kids Viagra to counter a life threatening lung condition, despite no Clinical Trials having been done on its effect on children. It's a really dumb title for a report on how we give Children drugs tested only on Adults and how little drug testing is done for babies and children because there isn't any money in it and very few parents willing to volunteer their children for a trial. There's a 20 mg dose of Sildenafil (brand name Revatio, patent protection expired) intended to treat pulmonary hypertension. It's something I never saw outside of working in a hospital (where we don't stock Viagra/Levitra/Cialis for obvious reasons.  )Rupert Buttermilk posted:As a Canadian, I certainly don't miss the penny, and really don't understand what the big deal is with the U.S. not getting rid of theirs yet. I'm surprised it took us as long as it did. I'm totally OK with getting rid of 1¢ coins, but I'll at least point out that some countries use hyperinflated currency where 1¢US is worth like 10000 of their funbux, so our little cent at least has the appearance of being worth a whole lot by comparison!  Rated PG-34 posted:I was confused upon making a transaction at a teller in the US and having to fill out the deposit slip. In backwards Canada-land, that's what the teller does. What's the point of the teller aside from stopping you from stealing all the free pens. To be fair, the tellers here do a drat good job of guarding the pens. Every time I've tried to run in and grab a handful they take me down with their Karate.
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Atomizer posted:To be fair, the tellers here do a drat good job of guarding the pens. Every time I've tried to run in and grab a handful they take me down with their Karate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy0UpRIncYM I think he's saying... 'I'm a mother hen?'
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This is the first topic Oliver's covered where him and I are in disagreement. Stark disagreement, at that. The arguments he made were facile. The main point, "it costs more to make a penny than the penny's worth!," is true. The flipside of that coin is that dimes and quarters costs far less to make than the coin's face value - in 2014, about 4 and 9 cents, respectively. That year, the US Mint made $289 million worth of coinage after the costs of production, including the loss from pennies and nickels. The secondary point, which boils down to "people don't bother picking up a penny," well, in those big cities, that appears to be true. I've never lived in NYC or San Francisco, but in smaller cities I've lived in, pennies are appreciated. However, I realize the rest of the country which resides outside of the big cities wherein these shows tape doesn't exist/matter, so I'll concede that point. Finally, the notion of getting rid of the ha'penny in 1867, when we were all primates I guess, so what's stopping us now?? A half-penny, by definition, is a fraction of a denomination, not a denomination in itself. It was a necessity of the time, when a penny had more value. Simply put, if a dollar is 100 units, you have to be able to break it into 100 units.
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Rated PG-34 posted:I was confused upon making a transaction at a teller in the US and having to fill out the deposit slip. In backwards Canada-land, that's what the teller does. What's the point of the teller aside from stopping you from stealing all the free pens. It depends on the bank. I just give them money or a check or whatever the rare times I'm depositing in person.
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pwn posted:Simply put, if a dollar is 100 units, you have to be able to break it into 100 units. Why?
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