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The Kingfish posted:There is no proof that they are white supremacists besides twitter hysteria. According to the witnesses from that youtube video, one of them even had a BLM sign. If those witnesses' stories match up with what happened then the shooters were being sketchy but not acting illegally when the protesters attacked them. Many people at the actual protest have reported racist harassment through-out the duration, and there also have been direct threats made via websites & twitter that has had the place on edge. More witness interviews regarding the events immediately before and after by someone(s) thats been live-streaming frequently: http://livestream.com/unicornriot/events/4512162/videos/105424368 http://livestream.com/unicornriot/events/4512162/videos/105424128 http://livestream.com/unicornriot/events/4512162/videos/105423822 http://livestream.com/unicornriot/events/4512162/videos/105423500 Unicorn riot posted:After they were confronted and asked to leave, some of the men shouted racial slurs. A few of the community members walked behind the men ushering them to their car towards 14th Ave. and Morgan Ave., one block north of the 4th Precinct. The men opened fire as they reached their vehicle, shooting around 8 bullets that struck a total of five people; it’s reported that all victims have non-life-threatening injuries, one took a bullet in the stomach, a few in the leg, and one in the arm.
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What, then, is truth? A mobile army of metaphors, metonyms, and anthropomorphisms—in short, a sum of human relations which have been enhanced, transposed, and embellished poetically and rhetorically, and which after long use seem firm, canonical, and obligatory to a people: truths are illusions about which one has forgotten that this is what they are; metaphors which are worn out and without sensuous power; coins which have lost their pictures and now matter only as metal, no longer as coins. We still do not know where the urge for truth comes from; for as yet we have heard only of the obligation imposed by society that it should exist: to be truthful means using the customary metaphors—in moral terms: the obligation to lie according to a fixed convention, to lie herd-like in a style obligatory for all. ... Only by forgetting this primitive world of metaphor can one live with any repose, security, and consistency: only by means of the petrification and coagulation of a mass of images which originally streamed from the primal faculty of human imagination like a fiery liquid, only in the invincible faith that this sun, this window, this table is a truth in itself, in short, only by forgetting that he himself is an artistically creating subject, does man live with any repose, security, and consistency. If but for an instant he could escape from the prison walls of this faith, his "self consciousness" would be immediately destroyed.
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Joementum posted:What, then, is truth? A miserable pile of ... lies? But enough talk! Have at you!
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Wally Joyner posted:Many people at the actual protest have reported racist harassment through-out the duration, and there also have been direct threats made via websites & twitter that has had the place on edge. It's easy to hate on police, until you want them to do something for you.
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Joementum posted:From the top of Krugman's latest post: I can never not see John lithgow in this photo.
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My Imaginary GF posted:It's easy to hate on police, until you want them to do something for you. Go die in a loving fire. Troll or not, I hope you loving suffocate on your own goddamn farts. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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My Imaginary GF posted:It's easy to hate on police, until you want them to do something for you. The unifying theme is wanting them to just do their jobs.
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The Feds are going to do jack poo poo about that shooting by the way. They've done nothing to punish race terrorists that have even been recorded doing their killing. Nonsense fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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Joementum posted:Bernie ordered fried chicken, dark meat, yams, rice and gravy at his Busy Bee summit with Killer Mike yesterday. What did Killer Mike eat?
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Accretionist posted:The unifying theme is wanting them to just do their jobs. They want cops to do their jobs, and then protest them when they do. What is the job of police to the protestors? Is it to maintain law and order, or is it to take brash actions before all facts are known?
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Anyone else seeing conservatives bitch about PC GONE MAD! Cause someone got a yoga studio closed because it's racist? There's something that reeks of bullshit about it since evert Tiber one if these stories comes up there's airways an actual reason it happened but conservative media ignores it in favor of their narrative
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My Imaginary GF posted:They want cops to do their jobs, and then protest them when they do. A cops job is to protect and serve. Pretty sure shooting minorities doesn't fall under either of those... well at least not since the
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KomradeX posted:Anyone else seeing conservatives bitch about PC GONE MAD! Cause someone got a yoga studio closed because it's racist? There's something that reeks of bullshit about it since evert Tiber one if these stories comes up there's airways an actual reason it happened but conservative media ignores it in favor of their narrative
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My Imaginary GF posted:They want cops to do their jobs, and then protest them when they do. No; they want cops to do their jobs, they protest them when they kill or beat unarmed minorities and then lie about it and obstruct investigations.
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Nov 24, 2015 18:00
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ratbert90 posted:No; they want cops to do their jobs, they protest them when they kill or beat unarmed minorities and then lie about it and obstruct investigations. Once again: What is the job of the police? Because it seems the black communities of the cities have a different definition than the white communities.
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Obama and Hollande joint press conference live stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDdgtOEPOaQ
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My Imaginary GF posted:Once again: What is the job of the police? Because it seems the black communities of the cities have a different definition than the white communities. Are you disagreeing that the polices job should not include killing or beating unarmed minorities and then lying about it and obstructing investigations when they do such a thing?
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My Imaginary GF posted:I can't understand why it's so hard for cops to not shoot and kill the people they are supposed to protect, because I am an idiot.
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Greatbacon posted:
The polices job isn't to protect lol.
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Joementum posted:Obama and Hollande joint press conference live stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDdgtOEPOaQ Wait, how the hell do you pronounce Hollande? Is it not like the region in the Netherlands? Obama sounds so weird every time he says it.
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The polices job isn't to protect lol. [/quote] "Our/their job is to enforce obedience," is a common attitude. 
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ratbert90 posted:
Then we should pursue reforms so that it is.
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Wait are you saying people who are statistically more likely to die at the hands of police view them differently than I do?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Then we should pursue reforms so that it is. Absolutely! But to think their job is to protect us right now is laughable and terribly naive
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Zombie Samurai posted:Wait, how the hell do you pronounce Hollande? Is it not like the region in the Netherlands? Obama sounds so weird every time he says it. "Oh lond"
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Oh, and while the rebels couldn't shoot down the planes, they can and did open fire on the ejected and parachuting pilots, killing at least one, committing a war crime, and recorded it on video that they then uploaded to the Internet bragging about it. I'm getting the impression that there is a lack of thinking things through over there
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KomradeX posted:Anyone else seeing conservatives bitch about PC GONE MAD! Cause someone got a yoga studio closed because it's racist? There's something that reeks of bullshit about it since evert Tiber one if these stories comes up there's airways an actual reason it happened but conservative media ignores it in favor of their narrative According to one of the original articles in the Ottawa Sun, it sounds like the Student Federation wanted to close it as they considered it appropriation, likely due to the focus on the physical and mindful aspects of it and not the historical or spiritual aspects. The teacher tried pitching renaming the class to "mindful stretching" but the French translation wasn't a good fit...? So they put it on hiatus while they debate further. Basically if you don't delve into all aspects and cultural connotations and context, it's appropriation. This is why we can't have nice things.
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Evil Fluffy posted:This is factually incorrect though. He's arrogant as gently caress and thinks he knows how to work the system. In reality him "working the system" results in things like Obama being able to get a bunch of confirmations that weren't going to happen otherwise. He's not quite as bad as Carson, but he has the same "I'm really good at X, so I'm also really good at A-W" mindset. Was that stupidity though? I don't think you graduate with honors from Harvard Law without being able to figure out things like Senate procedure if you really need to. I think Cruz just gives no fucks about anything except Ted Cruz, and that includes the strategic success of his own party. Plenty of other senators warned him what would happen with the nominations for his useless anti-immigrant defund the government again vote, but he wanted to grandstand anyway and force other Republicans to vote it down while he called them RINO Obama-lovers.
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Radbot posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/10/08/white-people-think-racial-discrimination-in-america-is-basically-over/ I'm not sure I see how this article, while unfortunately revealing one of the problems with race relations in America, refutes my point? It's actually more evidence that white people generally object to racism, they just identify it more strongly with stuff that doesn't happen as much anymore (lynchings, water hoses, slavery, officially refusing the franchise). Also, some white people believe racism against white people is a more serious problem, which makes them pretty wrong and also obstacles to progress in this regard.
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VitalSigns posted:Was that stupidity though? I don't think you graduate with honors from Harvard Law without being able to figure out things like Senate procedure if you really need to. Many liberals mistake politicians' political abilities for stupidity. It's not stupidity if you're pandering to an angry base with strong voting turnout. EDIT: Quorum posted:I'm not sure I see how this article, while unfortunately revealing one of the problems with race relations in America, refutes my point? It's actually more evidence that white people generally object to racism, they just identify it more strongly with stuff that doesn't happen as much anymore (lynchings, water hoses, slavery, officially refusing the franchise). Also, some white people believe racism against white people is a more serious problem, which makes them pretty wrong and also obstacles to progress in this regard. It's monolithic if <80% of white people agree with black people. Now we could argue black people are a monolithic entity who don't vote and hate homosexuals, but this is a hate-whitey circlejerk afterall.
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:Right after Paris, there were some links posted somewhere about how ISIS is losing ground and power and is on the brink of collapse, and that they're whining on Twitter about being bombed all the time and that even other terrorist groups are calling them out for being huge babies. I can't, for the life of me, find those links. Does anyone have them? For the last part, here you go:  ISIL originally said to the US "bring your planes". After ISIL lost in Kobani and other places thanks to airstrikes, the commander of Ahrar al Sham (large Syrian Salafist rebel group backed by Turkey/Qatar/Saudi Arabia) mocked ISIL for complaining after the US did indeed "bring our planes". fade5 fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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CommieGIR posted:ACLU is suing Mike Pence for his Syrian Refugee Denial order. And Exodus International (the refugee nonprofit here) A) has said they will continue to settle refugees here regardless of Pence's orders B) had to put out a message apologizing for slow response to anyone contacting them because after this Pence stunt happened they were overwhelmed by people applying to volunteer
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Wally Joyner posted:Many people at the actual protest have reported racist harassment through-out the duration, and there also have been direct threats made via websites & twitter that has had the place on edge. I watched all of these and it didn't change my opinion. Its hard to believe testimony that uses euphemisms like "we were escorting them away from the protest" and "some people kept following them" when there is testimony from the same crowd that just says they were punching them and chasing them. The Kingfish fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:They want cops to do their jobs, and then protest them when they do. Does arresting people for a bag of weed, loose cigarettes, and "spring-assist knives" count as "maintaining law and order" to you?
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Throw this one onto the pile: Trump is pro-torture, above and beyond waterboarding, whether it's effective or not.quote:COLUMBUS, Ohio — Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump said Monday he not only would bring back waterboarding, the controversial interrogation technique discontinued by the Obama administration, but also would "approve more than that," even if such tactics prove ineffective. He's really "saying what they're thinking," and the fact that they're getting more emboldened every day scares the poo poo out of me. By the way, gently caress you Washington Post. Waterboarding is torture, not a "controversial interrogation technique".
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MaxxBot posted:Does arresting people for a bag of weed, loose cigarettes, and "spring-assist knives" count as "maintaining law and order" to you? I imagine Rahm Emmanuel does beleive in broken windows policing.
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zoux posted:I imagine Rahm Emmanuel does believe in broken windows policing. He also thinks black bag sites are A-OK.
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My Imaginary GF posted:It's easy to hate on police, until you want them to do something for you. "Heh, kinda funny that you're protesting capitalism yet you're wearing SHOES that you bought in a STORE" Remember everyone, if you have concerns about police accountability you aren't ever allowed to ask for help because you gave up your rights when you criticized them.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Then we should pursue reforms so that it is. How? How will those reforms get you a promotion within the force? Bullfrog posted:"Heh, kinda funny that you're protesting capitalism yet you're wearing SHOES that you bought in a STORE" Issue: Protesting capitalism is stupid as poo poo Solution: Don't protest capitalism.
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:Right after Paris, there were some links posted somewhere about how ISIS is losing ground and power and is on the brink of collapse, and that they're whining on Twitter about being bombed all the time and that even other terrorist groups are calling them out for being huge babies. I can't, for the life of me, find those links. Does anyone have them? I do but it is at home. You'll want to look at recent victories like the liberation of Sinjar (happened on the 13th) and Russia breaking the siege of the air base. Then you'll want to go over to The Intercept and particularly their reporter's Twitter accounts where they were passing around an analysis of ISIS announcements and the strategy, look through that with the keywords "eliminate the gray zone" to find the pieces you are looking for. Basically ISIS has lost so much territory (the ME thread will have maps) and manpower (10-60% depending on if you believe them if the CIA) they officially announced they are pivoting from being a protostate to network operations to get numbers back up by radicalizing Muslims in the West so they have the strength to capture territory again.
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