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Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

Slavvy posted:

There's a huge number of (white) south African expats living here. The overwhelming majority are incredibly rude, arrogant and impossible to deal with. 90% of the known rear end in a top hat customers at my work are south African. I try to be open minded with everyone I meet but for some reason they make it so bloody difficult to like them. They're incapable of being wrong and will argue till they're blue in the face over the tiniest poo poo and in the face of all reason, and they all seem to think the world revolves around them. I can count the number of nice ones I've met on the fingers of one hand. They're also horrible unapologetic racists.

Don't know any black south Africans but from what I understand the cultural gulf is massive (go figure) and they're not really alike.

Excuse me, but I just binge-watched The Almighty Johnsons on netflix, so I think I'm qualified to comment on Kiwi (New Zeelander) culture. Maybe the South Africans actually have it really hard and it is you who is the dick?

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Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Slavvy posted:

There's a huge number of (white) south African expats living here. The overwhelming majority are incredibly rude, arrogant and impossible to deal with. 90% of the known rear end in a top hat customers at my work are south African. I try to be open minded with everyone I meet but for some reason they make it so bloody difficult to like them. They're incapable of being wrong and will argue till they're blue in the face over the tiniest poo poo and in the face of all reason, and they all seem to think the world revolves around them. I can count the number of nice ones I've met on the fingers of one hand. They're also horrible unapologetic racists.

Don't know any black south Africans but from what I understand the cultural gulf is massive (go figure) and they're not really alike.

I once met a South African woman at a party.

She said we should have "left South Africa to the monkeys".

After that, she got really shitfaced and then murdered a shrubbery with her body.

It was a pretty good party.

(I also have a bunch of friends from South Africa who are wonderful folks though, so clearly they're exporting the a-holes to Slavvy's country).

-Inu-
Nov 11, 2008

TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY CUBIC CENTIMETERS

Ideal Paradigm posted:

Is there a significant difference getting a gear set that zips together (jacket and trousers) vs. one that doesn't? From what I understand, the zipping together only really matters if you want to avoid buying a one-piece leather suit for track days and the track allows a zip-together set.

I'm more curious on whether or not a zip-together set affects stuff like warmth, safety (if you get into an accident and you start to slide), and getting wet during rain.
Zipping together affects everything you mentioned. If your jacket isn't zipped to your pants and you are sliding on your back, it's possible for the jacket to ride up and give you a roadrash tramp stamp.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Chichevache posted:

triple flange Etymotics

Please don't post my porn name.

Ideal Paradigm
Aug 7, 2005
Trouble at the old mill
How long do motorcycle jackets and their respective armor usually last before you have to get a new jacket and/or set of armor?

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Ideal Paradigm posted:

How long do motorcycle jackets and their respective armor usually last before you have to get a new jacket and/or set of armor?

I have an A* jacket from 2004 that I still use occasionally. Probably has ~200k on it, plus a minor crash. My Helimot suit is fine after 7 years, Aerostitch is expected to have a life of ~10 years.

Really depends on the quality of the gear you buy, as always.

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass
The velcro on the £50 jacket I bought last year (but have only been riding for 6-7 months) is already shot and doesn't hold at all at the neck; the rest of the jacket is seemingly fine, but it's British designed and made in Pakistan, so I fully expect all the seams to start breaking down for no apparent reason within the next 6 months.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Chichevache posted:

Excuse me, but I just binge-watched The Almighty Johnsons on netflix, so I think I'm qualified to comment on Kiwi (New Zeelander) culture. Maybe the South Africans actually have it really hard and it is you who is the dick?

If you want actual realistic kiwi culture, watch Outrageous Fortune. I'm dead serious, some of the characters seem based off people I know IRL. It's a fantastic show and one of the few pieces of media we've created that aren't utter garbage.

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass
Were there any goon recommendations for supplementary tail lights, like led strips for sticking on panniers and that? Especially ones I could wire into the turn signals/brake light. I seem to recall it coming up before and a particular brand/website being named, but I don't have the link, and everything coming up on google is either stupid money or aliexpress.

-Inu-
Nov 11, 2008

TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY CUBIC CENTIMETERS

Renaissance Robot posted:

Were there any goon recommendations for supplementary tail lights, like led strips for sticking on panniers and that? Especially ones I could wire into the turn signals/brake light. I seem to recall it coming up before and a particular brand/website being named, but I don't have the link, and everything coming up on google is either stupid money or aliexpress.
I asked about this a couple of months ago and Z3n recommended these Custom Dynamics lights.

As an aside, if anyone needs a trackday/race helmet, solid color X-12's are temporarily $400. If you're about that new jazz, Corsair X's are slowly starting to trickle into stock as well (not on sale obviously).

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe
I think some decent earphones are next on my shopping list, I figure I'll use them more than a gopro.

M42
Nov 12, 2012


Shoei X12s are on closeout, if anyone cares. Finally, a helmet that fits my alien head!

Partial Octopus
Feb 4, 2006



I was recently working part time at Cycle Gear and just put in my two-weeks. Don't ever buy a helmet from there. They have a seven day helmet policy where you can return a helmet no questions asked. Every single helmet that I have seen returned has been put back on the shelves. It's not just helmets either. Almost all returns (as long as they aren't visibly damaged) are put back on to the shelves. Also all of their house brands are garbage.

-Inu-
Nov 11, 2008

TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY CUBIC CENTIMETERS

Partial Octopus posted:

I was recently working part time at Cycle Gear and just put in my two-weeks. Don't ever buy a helmet from there. They have a seven day helmet policy where you can return a helmet no questions asked. Every single helmet that I have seen returned has been put back on the shelves. It's not just helmets either. Almost all returns (as long as they aren't visibly damaged) are put back on to the shelves. Also all of their house brands are garbage.
I worked there for 3 years. I could write a dissertation on how awful that place is.

builds character
Jan 16, 2008

Keep at it.

-Inu- posted:

I worked there for 3 years. I could write a dissertation on how awful that place is.

Go on...

-Inu-
Nov 11, 2008

TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY CUBIC CENTIMETERS
First off, everything is sales-goal and commission based. If a customer ever asks if you're on commission, you must say no. Due to that, if a customer is just coming in to try things on or you feel they aren't going to spend a lot of money, you ignore them. The sales goals were completely absurd. You were expected to do x% over the previous year, which means you had to sell sell sell push push push as much as possible. If someone returned something from an online order, the store took the hit.

When I first started working there, we only had a few "exclusive brands" (house brands). It was somewhat decent. Frank Thomas was far from top-of-the-line, but it was reasonable for a new rider. The Seven Zero Seven helmets were actually somewhat decent - DOT & ECE approved with a fiberglass shell for a fair price. The tools and batteries are somewhat decent, too. Then the BiLT and Sedici takeover began. After that, you had to either push those lovely brands on people or push high-end brands (e.g. Shoei, Dainese). There was no in between.

Product selection was 100% dictated by corporate and individual stores had zero say in it. Our store never had Arai helmets, for instance - despite our constant begging to at least give us a size run of an RX-Q or something.

Speaking of BiLT and Sedici, the markup on those items is A-B-S-U-R-D. Take what you think might be a reasonable profit margin, divide that by four, and that's about what the actual cost is. Partial Octopus, I don't know if you ever looked at the actual pricing (the employee pricing was jacked up much beyond actual cost), but it is ridiculous.

We were also required to push the "item of the month" to every single customer at checkout. If you've ever been to a CG, you've probably had them ask if you're interested in XYZ item for $10 or whatever. We had sales goals for those too, and if we didn't meet them we would get a stern talking to from corporate.

I loved corporate. There was ZERO communication between them and store employees. They expect the world from you and pay you about the same as you would get at McDonalds. "Training" is an absolute joke. They do nothing to teach you about the actual specifics of gear - you pretty much have to wing it. Here's a fun activity: go into a Cycle Gear and ask an employee what Gore-Tex is. If you aren't talking to a manager (they receive actual product training once a year), there's a 90% chance they will have no loving idea what you're talking about.

Oh, and yearly inventory? Corporate sends weekly pallets, and inventory on those are wrong every single week. Guess who gets graded on inventory shrink (missing items)? That's right, the individual stores. Corporate fucks up and your store gets judged based on their mistakes.

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

Slavvy posted:

If you want actual realistic kiwi culture, watch Outrageous Fortune. I'm dead serious, some of the characters seem based off people I know IRL. It's a fantastic show and one of the few pieces of media we've created that aren't utter garbage.

Sounds interesting, I'll check it out.

Almighty Johnsons was pretty fun though! Even if some of the politics they introduced seemed incredibly childish, like their approach to south African expats ruining your country.

its all nice on rice
Nov 12, 2006

Sweet, Salty Goodness.



Buglord

Much on this is still true today. I tell people we're commission but the amount you get is crap anyway.
I've butted heads before because I actually tell customers when something is good or not. I'm constantly harped on for not selling the "PWP".
The contests are loving stupid, especially when your entire store "wins" but only the manager and assistant get money or prizes.
Also LOL at cutting our hours and then complaining when the store doesn't make goal or we don't finish tasks on time.
96% of the house brand stuff is pretty much garbage. There age a very select few number of items that aren't, though.
The Bilt helmets are no different than your generic HJC, Speed and Strength, G-max other other plastic helmets because the same companies in China makes them for everyone. The bilt techno full face is the s&s 1300 with a lovely Bluetooth system.
The same goes for a lot of the textiles. Looking at the bilt demon glove and the tourmaster scarab 2.0 or the sedici hot wired and venture warming gloves. Same poo poo.
The company was bought out earlier this year and a lot of changes have been made so far. Still way too much saturation of the "exclusive brands" though.

alr
May 14, 2009
Does anyone have any recommendations for a small waterproof tank bag for an R3? Something that only needs to hold my wallet, keys, and phone used as a GPS. I'm asking because the tank is half plastic so I'm not too sure about magnet placement. The official Yamaha one looks fine space-wise except its $150. The silver strip up the middle is plastic:

Marxalot
Dec 24, 2008

Appropriator of
Dan Crenshaw's Eyepatch
I was dumb and bought some sedici gauntlets on closeout. Best, most comfortable mechanic/yardwork gloves I've ever bought.

Useless for a motorcycle though. The seam broke on one of the fingers in a week.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

alr posted:

Does anyone have any recommendations for a small waterproof tank bag for an R3? Something that only needs to hold my wallet, keys, and phone used as a GPS. I'm asking because the tank is half plastic so I'm not too sure about magnet placement. The official Yamaha one looks fine space-wise except its $150. The silver strip up the middle is plastic:



Get a Kriega US-5 tailbag instead.

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass
Good luck reading a GPS located behind you.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
I'd probably splurge on the OEM one, just because having something designed explicitly for your bike is always nice.

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

HotCanadianChick posted:

Get a Kriega US-5 tailbag instead.

:lol: has it been so long that you've forgotten how to ride?

Schroeder91
Jul 5, 2007

Pope Mobile posted:

How big is the tear? You can buy patch kits.

From last page. The tear in my pants is only about an inch and a half. It's right on the shin, and that area is a mesh build. Was considering sewing since there's already holes.

-Inu-
Nov 11, 2008

TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY CUBIC CENTIMETERS

Pope Mobile posted:

The Bilt helmets are no different than your generic HJC, Speed and Strength, G-max other other plastic helmets because the same companies in China makes them for everyone. The bilt techno full face is the s&s 1300 with a lovely Bluetooth system.
The same goes for a lot of the textiles. Looking at the bilt demon glove and the tourmaster scarab 2.0 or the sedici hot wired and venture warming gloves. Same poo poo.
A lot of the helmets are rebranded Zox helmets, too (you can find them in the WPS catalog). Sedici "racing" boots or whatever the gently caress they were, were just rebranded Cortech boots.

Pope Mobile posted:

The company was bought out earlier this year and a lot of changes have been made so far. Still way too much saturation of the "exclusive brands" though.
I'm really curious about this. Could you go into further detail?

Fifty Three
Oct 29, 2007

M42 posted:

Shoei X12s are on closeout, if anyone cares. Finally, a helmet that fits my alien head!
Alien head siblings. :respek:

Is your head narrow or round? I haven't had a chance to try one of these on. The RF-1100 is just a little too round for my head.



Fake Edit: While typing this it occurred to me that you might mean Alien alien, so narrow.

M42
Nov 12, 2012


I have an xs cranium, but my cheeks are shaped in such a way that helmets move up/down easily, so I need like 3xs cheekpads. The rf1200 and x12 are the only ones I've found so far that work well.

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass

alr posted:

Does anyone have any recommendations for a small waterproof tank bag for an R3? Something that only needs to hold my wallet, keys, and phone used as a GPS. I'm asking because the tank is half plastic so I'm not too sure about magnet placement. The official Yamaha one looks fine space-wise except its $150. The silver strip up the middle is plastic

I'm not sure if Oxford are a UK only brand, but their bags have the magnets in wings off to the side, so that plastic strip won't be an issue.

I've got a First Time 18, it was cheap as chips at about £20 and tbh it shows. It's sturdy enough, but the zippers are quite sticky. Honestly if you've got a bit more money I'd go for something from the X range, as these have much better build quality and proper waterproof flanges behind all the zippers. An easily accessible window on top for putting your phone/GPS in is a standard feature an almost all their bags too.

Mistaken For Bacon
Apr 26, 2003

I just took the MSF this weekend, and our instructor told us that Cycle Gear offers 15% discounts upon completion. I was browsing their website, and checked out what it had to say about the discount:


So it looks like everything except Bilt, Sedici, and Street & Steel is off the table. Is there any of that that isn't crap? I do not understand the stinginess with a relatively small discount.

Partial Octopus
Feb 4, 2006



The sedici thermals are ok but you can find something just as effective for cheaper on amazon. Some of the street and steel stuff is also half decent but not for the prices they're asking for.

Razzled
Feb 3, 2011

MY HARLEY IS COOL
That sucks, the only thing my MSF discount was limited to when I did it was no Shoei or Arai discounts. I got all my Dainese textiles and gloves on the discount

clutchpuck
Apr 30, 2004
ro-tard

Mistaken For Bacon posted:

I just took the MSF this weekend, and our instructor told us that Cycle Gear offers 15% discounts upon completion. I was browsing their website, and checked out what it had to say about the discount:


So it looks like everything except Bilt, Sedici, and Street & Steel is off the table. Is there any of that that isn't crap? I do not understand the stinginess with a relatively small discount.

Everything except Cycle Gear's store brands.

Partial Octopus
Feb 4, 2006



What is a good phone mount that isn't the ram mount? I have a galaxy s6 and i can't get the ram mount to hold my phone without it pressing on a button.

Gillingham
Nov 16, 2011

Partial Octopus posted:

What is a good phone mount that isn't the ram mount? I have a galaxy s6 and i can't get the ram mount to hold my phone without it pressing on a button.
This may be :shobon: but did you try mounting the phone the other direction. I know with their iPhone mounts they only work one way without hitting buttons.

-Inu-
Nov 11, 2008

TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY CUBIC CENTIMETERS

Mistaken For Bacon posted:

I just took the MSF this weekend, and our instructor told us that Cycle Gear offers 15% discounts upon completion. I was browsing their website, and checked out what it had to say about the discount:


So it looks like everything except Bilt, Sedici, and Street & Steel is off the table. Is there any of that that isn't crap? I do not understand the stinginess with a relatively small discount.
It used to be a flat 15% on everything, but back then it wasn't specifically advertised. Now that there's a public ad for it, they are basically forced to have exclusions. Brands are very stringent about allowing things to be marked down/put on sale. That's why everything is priced pretty much the same everywhere - unless something goes on closeout or a specific company gets a deal with a specific manufacturer, they will chew your rear end out for "advertising" discounts on their products.

edit: 15% is HUGE in the motorcycle world. Not defending CG by any means, but that's most likely why it is the way it is.

Partial Octopus
Feb 4, 2006



Gillingham posted:

This may be :shobon: but did you try mounting the phone the other direction. I know with their iPhone mounts they only work one way without hitting buttons.

Well I was using the x-grip which is symmetrical. I can try scooting it down towards the bottom but I'm too worried that it will slip out.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Renaissance Robot posted:

Good luck reading a GPS located behind you.

GPS is for people who have goldfish memory spans. :colbert:

cursedshitbox
May 20, 2012

Your rear-end wont survive my hammering.



Fun Shoe

HotCanadianChick posted:

GPS is for people who have goldfish memory spans. :colbert:

Sooooo thats why you hit that median. tsk tsk.


I've not had my note 5 fall out of the xgrip yet...

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Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe

HotCanadianChick posted:

GPS is for people who have goldfish memory spans. :colbert:

I see you never leave town.

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