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Kessel posted:I really like stronghold. There's no possible way to balance both it and conquest using the same classes/stats, so you can just cut loose I definitely see it's impossible to balance, that's fine by me though, it's resulted in some awesome loving fights and the mixup from conquest is such a fun relief. It's the only PvP I want to do right now. kater posted:PvP sucks now that Courtyard is gone. It is?? I never even noticed....
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I do like Stronghold, it's just "eh." I believe Tempests could be super strong, I just never see them in matches. Then again maybe I have and just not noticed, ArenaNet still hasn't changed PvP Icons to reflect Elites which seems a bit  . I've been running a Soldier Scrapper build that works really well for me. I'm reminded now that I did run into a Druid on a pub Spirit Watch match who was so tanky we fought at a stalemate for nearly 4 minutes. Dragonhunters are also very annoying to fight when they take the trait that makes every arrow interrupt. At the end of the day I just want more maps, and HoT actually managed to take one away 
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mind the walrus posted:At the end of the day I just want more maps, and HoT actually managed to take one away I'm ridiculously excited for Wintersday primarily because of snowball fight because it's a different pvp map/game mode compared to the usual...
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mind the walrus posted:Dragonhunters are also very annoying to fight when they take the trait that makes every arrow interrupt. Mazreal posted:Anyone who isn't in full celestial is a detriment to the team. e: That being said, having a build that can survive against burst and condition pressure is important. Then it's having some CC. Aesis fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Nov 26, 2015 |
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mind the walrus posted:What's the current thread's opinion on PvP? PvP is still the best part of the game, and it's mostly survived just because they didn't really do much to it in the expansion. The elites are generally more powerful than the base classes but hey ho there's still options. Zerkers and Daredevils are really just not very good so their classes haven't survived the elite spec power creep as well as everyone else. Tempests are okay but not really super great. I'm surprised more people don't run Druid. D/d isn't quite what it was which is nice, but I do play DH mostly so maybe I'm just not noticing it because I have lots of damage. Stronghold is a mess because it's just attacking doors and poo poo and no-one has really spent that much time figuring it out which is fine for some people but my major failing is I actually like esport in this game so it's not really my thing. It's just kind of jumbled and I don't know where and when to fight, not that people seem to do it anyway, and none of my esports idols have shown me what to do. I unticked the box and don't have the deal with it. I wish I could untick the spirit watch box too, gently caress that map I want ranked back so I don't have to deal with it.
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The hardest part of PvP for me is trying to decide what to play. Scrapper is super fun, as is Aurashare Tempest. DH is silly as well. My Warrior though lies un-played for the most part
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CLAM DOWN posted:I played some dragonhunter stronghold a bit lately and actually really liked it. Whoops. I like stronghold and have played it like 100-150 times, but it's really imbalanced. Support/Cele Tempests are a guaranteed win and classes with good sources of stability (at least 8 stacks over 10 seconds) are generally much better than others. It's also way too easy to defend with Cele anything, which often makes matches (when decent players are involved) a 15 minutes slog and the winner whoever has more points. I still have a 75% solo win rate with a Marauder Revenant, though. Knowing how to play the map makes a pretty big difference. Liberatore fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Nov 26, 2015 |
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Thief is in a better spot in SPvP than previously anticipated. It's not amazing, but you can get results with specific Staff builds. The bigger problem, of course, is overtuned specs that crowd out the reasonably well balanced ones. Dragonhunter and Tempest are big offenders there.
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AmericanGeeksta posted:The hardest part of PvP for me is trying to decide what to play. Scrapper is super fun, as is Aurashare Tempest. DH is silly as well. My Warrior though lies un-played for the most part Amante posted:Thief is in a better spot in SPvP than previously anticipated. It's not amazing, but you can get results with specific Staff builds.  It just can't survive for long though.
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the elite spec system was probably one of the best things introduced with the expansion, honestly. in the future when we theoretically have more elite specs for each class i really think it'll shine. just needs some balance tuning so that the core class by itself isn't just entirely outmatched or anything, and it'll be good.
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Agent Kool-Aid posted:when we theoretically have more elite specs for each class Yup. There will totally be more elite specs. Keep telling yourself that.
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tarbrush posted:Yup. There will totally be more elite specs. Keep telling yourself that. Of course there will, it's ANet's (actually pretty good) solution for a way to spice up each class with expansions.
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I think there's a real issue of whether they balance for PvP as a team queue competitive game or a fun kick around with mates. Communication, co-ordination and experience playing together gives a team a much better idea of what it can do, and therefore where to go and when and who to fight in what manner. In solo queue you don't really have any of that, and support becomes less valuable, while DPS becomes more valuable because it's basically the kill things before they kill you zerker meta over again. There's more druid and tempest in esports than in solo queue, but less dragonhunter. Until they decide they want one or the other they're kind of left trying not to gently caress up either and not really improving much without screwing something else up.
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Kenshin posted:
I'm sincerely hopeful we'll get more elite specs and the first three wings of the raid won't be the only ones ever introduced but I'm also a realist.
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Kenshin posted:
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Aesis posted:Yeah Warrior is pretty much dead, as well as Power Ranger. I've been playing both past couple of days but they both lack burst damage to do a thing. Playing a dragonhunter there is nothing sadder than some poor sap ranger trying to shoot back at you.
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What are the chances of HoT going on sale for black friday?
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Pretty low I'd imagine. If HoT had dropped in summer or something then maybe, but it's barely been a month.
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[quote="Liberatore" post=""453184"] I still have a 75% solo win rate with a Marauder Revenant, though. Knowing how to play the map makes a pretty big difference. [/quote] This. I watch a lot of streams, mostly Chaithh and Phantaram, and so I understand better than most at my MMR level how to play the map. I've taken to tell people to go far before the match starts, otherwise I'll have 4 people go for home point and I'll be the only one going far.
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AmericanGeeksta posted:I've taken to tell people to go far before the match starts
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kes "GO FAR" ferdinand
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Sorry?  Edit: that was supposed to say "mid" not far. What the hell autocorrect.
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tarbrush posted:Yup. There will totally be more elite specs. Keep telling yourself that. it's an incredibly easy way for them to add content to each class. i'm pretty sure that at least half of the specs were being developed live during the beta weekends. the hard part is putting together a theme, and after that it's not much to get it added in a workable fashion. so yeah, if someone honestly thinks they're just going to magically forget about it then they're being dumb for the sake of doing another boring 'lol anet is lazy' joke when there's actual other things that they're lazy as hell about.
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AmericanGeeksta posted:This. I see the opposite more often, people go mid and far and no one gets home.
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AmericanGeeksta posted:Sorry? lmao, okay that makes more sense 
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:lmao, okay that makes more sense That's what I get for posting after Thanksgiving wine
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Mikemo Tyson posted:What are the chances of HoT going on sale for black friday? DL Gamers is currently offering a 24% discount for HoT US (does US/EU HoT even matter now? I'm not sure), so you pay $38 instead of $50. They are also listed as one of NCSoft's official partners, so it should be safe/legit.
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Virgil posted:DL Gamers is currently offering a 24% discount for HoT US (does US/EU HoT even matter now? I'm not sure), so you pay $38 instead of $50. They are also listed as one of NCSoft's official partners, so it should be safe/legit. It's $31 from g2play, and their keys are all legit as long as you buy directly from g2play and not another reseller; their website allows anyone to sell keys. I bought it there myself, a day or two after HoT's launch.
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Main complaint about the current elite specs from a ele main, is that there is literally 0 reason to be anything other then a tempest as ele, it outclasses whatever 3rd trait line I could of taken instead and the utility skills are all far, far more useful then the majority of other utility skills with only a couple on the same power level like glyph of storms and lightning flash, plus just being a tempest unlocks 4 extra free strong skills to use. The heal is probably the most broken thing because not only does it heal harder then any of the other so-so heals available, but it also heals every ally near you for the exact same amount, that's not even getting into the aura heals and water overload. Basically what I'm saying is I'd like the other trait lines and utility skills to be on the same power level as the expansion specialization so there is actually a choice between 3 trait lines instead of 2.
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On that note, do people feel there are there classes that are still viable WITHOUT their elite specialization? Necro, Engi, and Ranger I could see, but seems like most elite specs are a straight upgrade at this point. Thief is completely unplayable without it, for example.
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If we're talking PvP, Druid is far superior than anything you can have in that slot, for any build, even if you don't use glyphs at all. Same with Reaper and Scrapper; Scrapper mainly because every build wants Adaptive Armor, which is basically a free 600 toughness, and the other traits are still useful to most builds; not to mention the function gyro and sneak gyro. Even Berserker is pretty much always better than default Warrior because Berserk is a consistent +7% bonus damage, +15% attack speed and stability. The Primal Burst skills are not always better, but you still have the option of using the old burst skills when necessary.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Main complaint about the current elite specs from a ele main, is that there is literally 0 reason to be anything other then a tempest as ele, it outclasses whatever 3rd trait line I could of taken instead and the utility skills are all far, far more useful then the majority of other utility skills with only a couple on the same power level like glyph of storms and lightning flash, plus just being a tempest unlocks 4 extra free strong skills to use. Amante posted:On that note, do people feel there are there classes that are still viable WITHOUT their elite specialization? Necro, Engi, and Ranger I could see, but seems like most elite specs are a straight upgrade at this point. Thief is completely unplayable without it, for example.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Main complaint about the current elite specs from a ele main, is that there is literally 0 reason to be anything other then a tempest as ele, it outclasses whatever 3rd trait line I could of taken instead and the utility skills are all far, far more useful then the majority of other utility skills with only a couple on the same power level like glyph of storms and lightning flash, plus just being a tempest unlocks 4 extra free strong skills to use. There was lots of talk about PvP so I really balked at every word of this post and then I realized you never said PvP. Tempest is absolutely ridiculous in PvE. It could offer nothing but overloads and still be the obvious choice.
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Auramancer Tempests are pretty amazing in PvP, though. But I suppose if there's one class that might choose to not take its elite spec in PvP, Ele is it.
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I still prefer tempest in PvP for the auras, 15 seconds of missile reflect is hard to pass up.
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Tempest, and Elementalist in general, is unplayable until the fireball graphic is returned to its former glory.
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