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Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006

DemeaninDemon posted:

Halloween's losing ground so it's not long.

I think it was this thread that discussed the larger population share of non-religious people in the US. If we take modern Japan as the end point of that movement, then Halloween has nothing to fear. Thanksgiving will wind up being a casualty of secular Santa creep, but Halloween remains whatever the non-religious version of sacrosanct would be.

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Alfred P. Pseudonym
May 29, 2006

And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss goes 8-8

Thanksgiving is way better than Christmas, gently caress this poo poo

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:

Thanksgiving is way better than Christmas, gently caress this poo poo

New Years is pretty cool though, also St. Nicholas day

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

Grundulum posted:

I think it was this thread that discussed the larger population share of non-religious people in the US. If we take modern Japan as the end point of that movement, then Halloween has nothing to fear. Thanksgiving will wind up being a casualty of secular Santa creep, but Halloween remains whatever the non-religious version of sacrosanct would be.

They may take our pumpkin pie! They may take our turkey! But they will never take our drunken costume party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

A mosque in Austin is increasing its security after a Muslim student at UT-Austin was assaulted for "taking instructions from ISIS" (wearing headphones).

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

DemeaninDemon posted:

Halloween's losing ground so it's not long.

Halloween involves candy, heavy drinking, skimpy clothing, and casual sex. It is going nowhere

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:

Thanksgiving is way better than Christmas

Extremely true. Thanksgiving is the perfect holiday: all it requires is that you sit around and eat a lot of food. Also, it's always on a Thursday so you get at least a four day weekend every year.

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006

Fried Chicken posted:

Halloween involves candy, heavy drinking, skimpy clothing, and casual sex. It is going nowhere

Clearly we are doing Thanksgiving wrong as a country, then. :heysexy:

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Putin joins US-led coalition

who's the cuck now

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
roast beef >>>> turkey

deal with it

Kilroy
Oct 1, 2000

Grundulum posted:

I think it was this thread that discussed the larger population share of non-religious people in the US. If we take modern Japan as the end point of that movement, then Halloween has nothing to fear. Thanksgiving will wind up being a casualty of secular Santa creep, but Halloween remains whatever the non-religious version of sacrosanct would be.

Halloween did not exist in Japan until about 2008 or so, so it's not a great example.

One year if you were in a costume on Halloween it was because you were some weird foreigner who probably dresses like that every day, and then the next year every dork from Keio to Waseda crowded into Shibuya wearing a slutty _____ costume and a new holiday was born.

Cultural appropriation is a real thing guys don't let anyone tell you different :colbert:

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



JT Jag posted:

At this rate it won't be long before we start seeing Christmas decorations, fixtures and sales after Labor Day
Pretty sure I saw Christmas stuff in the back of a Home Depot in September this year. I know Walmart sets up their Christmas section in mid-Sept.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Kilroy posted:

Halloween did not exist in Japan until about 2008 or so, so it's not a great example.

One year if you were in a costume on Halloween it was because you were some weird foreigner who probably dresses like that every day, and then the next year every dork from Keio to Waseda crowded into Shibuya wearing a slutty _____ costume and a new holiday was born.

Cultural appropriation is a real thing guys don't let anyone tell you different :colbert:

Yeah, a real awesome thing.

Drive German
Wear Italian
Drink Scotch
Kiss French

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
He looks absolutely ripped at all times

e: That's his son next to him isn't it? How do they always looks perpetually stoned but in different ways

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

Fried Chicken posted:

Halloween involves candy, heavy drinking, skimpy clothing, and casual sex. It is going nowhere

Ever heard of a harvest festival?

:negative:

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015



Noice.

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

Octatonic posted:

If it was even threatened to begin with

Christmas was threatened back in the 17th century when Puritans opposed celebration of it due to its pagan, secular and supposedly anti-Christian nature, and closed the churches to prevent people from celebrating it. In fact New England Puritans used to jail and fine people for celebrating Christmas throughout the 17th and 18th centuries. Fortunately the cultural power of Christmas - which has a beloved and multi-layered heritage that goes back to Roman times - prevailed. The modern day "War on Christmas" cultural warriors are just religiously and historically illiterate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/opinion/the-puritan-war-on-christmas.html
http://www.revolutionspodcast.com/2013/12/supplemental-the-war-on-christmas.html

Kaal fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Nov 27, 2015

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

roast beef >>>> turkey

deal with it

Agreed. Also peppermint is the bomb and is everywhere during Christmas which makes it a better holiday.

Joementum's point regarding the superior timing of Thanksgiving always resulting in a 4 day weekend is a valid point however.

CortezFantastic
Aug 10, 2003

I SEE DEMONS

Riptor posted:

For anyone in the Boston area: Michael Dukakis wants your turkey carcass to make soup with, and he includes his home address in Brookline to drop them off

I will be doing this later today

this is a real feel good story and i wish i didn't read this until after i left dinner cause that carcass is trashed

MasterSlowPoke
Oct 9, 2005

Our courage will pull us through

DemeaninDemon posted:

Halloween's losing ground so it's not long.

My brother works in the studio at HSN, and they started their Christmas graphics on October 1st.

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?
God, my brother just declared that he doesn't know who to vote for because he wanted to vote for Bernie, but then found out that Bernie wants to raise the minimum wage and he doesn't agree with that. Because he worked hard to become a manager making $16 an hour and the people below him don't deserve that. I don't even know where he gets his news from, he just likes to occasionally burst out with some lovely right-wing talking point.

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

AShamefulDisplay posted:

In my experience, pacific north west Norwegian diaspora.

I was confused about Mac and Cheese being a Thanksgiving food as well, for the record I am from the Pacific Northwest and I didn't know people made that until I went to college.

Our families weird thing has been Spam and Yams in addition to Turkey...

Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Nov 27, 2015

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Well, there's only one candidate who's promised to lower wages.

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Jack2142 posted:

I was confused about Mac and Cheese being a Thanksgiving food as well, for the record I am from the Pacific Northwest and I didn't know people made that until I went to college.

Our families weird thing has been Spam and Yams in addition to Turkey...

You should try fried spam with your mac and cheese. It's the bees knees.

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

Thump! posted:

You should try fried spam with your mac and cheese. It's the bees knees.

Interesting I assume the only viable type of Mac is Kraft in this scenario.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

catlord posted:

God, my brother just declared that he doesn't know who to vote for because he wanted to vote for Bernie, but then found out that Bernie wants to raise the minimum wage and he doesn't agree with that. Because he worked hard to become a manager making $16 an hour and the people below him don't deserve that. I don't even know where he gets his news from, he just likes to occasionally burst out with some lovely right-wing talking point.

My mother un ironically and not "lol he is destroying the gop" supports Trump. Her ambivalence about voting for him is thinking other leaders are too "touchy-feely" and "won't let him do what needs to be done"

I made a beeline for the liquor cabinet at that point. Situations like this are why whisky sours exist

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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Fried Chicken posted:

My mother un ironically and not "lol he is destroying the gop" supports Trump. Her ambivalence about voting for him is thinking other leaders are too "touchy-feely" and "won't let him do what needs to be done"

I made a beeline for the liquor cabinet at that point. Situations like this are why whisky sours exist

I hope you make sours like my mom does....half a bottle of sour and full bottle of whiskey (if you don't make them from scratch obviously).

SavageBastard
Nov 16, 2007
Professional Lurker

catlord posted:

God, my brother just declared that he doesn't know who to vote for because he wanted to vote for Bernie, but then found out that Bernie wants to raise the minimum wage and he doesn't agree with that. Because he worked hard to become a manager making $16 an hour and the people below him don't deserve that. I don't even know where he gets his news from, he just likes to occasionally burst out with some lovely right-wing talking point.

I worked with a number of people who were sympathetic to the idea of needing to make sure everyone was able to get healthcare but saw their job based healthcare benefits as something that set them apart and above other people less deserving so were reluctant to support the ACA. "What was the point of me working so hard to get a job with benefits if everyone gets it" sort of thing. Mind you I work in a hospital.

A Bag of Milk
Jul 3, 2007

I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.

Joementum posted:

Extremely true. Thanksgiving is the perfect holiday: all it requires is that you sit around and eat a lot of food. Also, it's always on a Thursday so you get at least a four day weekend every year.

I work Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Although I do have Thanksgiving off and paid every year, so I still consider myself ahead of my poor retail brothers and sisters.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Never change, Matt.

funeral home DJ
Apr 21, 2003


Pillbug

Joementum posted:

Never change, Matt.



Do you think Matt Drudge jacks off when he posts a witty, racist-as-all-hell headline? I mean, gently caress, it can't be good for the psyche to hate everything all day all the time, so there's no way he could be doing this poo poo for like 10+ years or whatever.

I bet he posts up a racist meme and grabs the bottle of Jergens for an all-night masturbatathon. This is the only way he can survive with his mind this hosed up.

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

Ripoff posted:

Do you think Matt Drudge jacks off when he posts a witty, racist-as-all-hell headline? I mean, gently caress, it can't be good for the psyche to hate everything all day all the time, so there's no way he could be doing this poo poo for like 10+ years or whatever.

I bet he posts up a racist meme and grabs the bottle of Jergens for an all-night masturbatathon. This is the only way he can survive with his mind this hosed up.

Know those stories of people who can't get it up for real women due to watching too much porn? Racist poo poo is his porn.

Kilroy
Oct 1, 2000
he's got a super-punchable face so it stands to reason he has a very wankable dick as well, maybe he can't help himself

usbombshell
Oct 29, 2004

Boom!
"Obama’s favorite desert, pie, will once again be a prominent fixture at the holiday meal. The same six pies as last year – apple, banana cream, cherry, coconut, pecan and pumpkin – will be served, down from nine varieties two years ago."

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/261378-six-types-of-pie-on-the-white-house-thanksgiving-menu

Pffft, we had seven types of pie and only ten guests. :colbert:

(I don't even eat pie, or any sweets for that matter).

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich

SavageBastard posted:

I worked with a number of people who were sympathetic to the idea of needing to make sure everyone was able to get healthcare but saw their job based healthcare benefits as something that set them apart and above other people less deserving so were reluctant to support the ACA. "What was the point of me working so hard to get a job with benefits if everyone gets it" sort of thing. Mind you I work in a hospital.

This is a pretty standard human reaction. It's also the reason that, that Seattle credit service company owner who raised the minimum salary for all employees faced such a backlash.

Understanding that mindset and finding ways to either:
a) Work within it
b) Force change without consequence

Is how you're going to drive an agenda with popular support

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

usbombshell posted:

I don't even eat pie

This is an objectively poor decision.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Ripoff posted:

Do you think Matt Drudge jacks off when he posts a witty, racist-as-all-hell headline?

Also when he posts about Martin O'Malley

Yoshifan823
Feb 19, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Fried Chicken posted:

My mother un ironically and not "lol he is destroying the gop" supports Trump. Her ambivalence about voting for him is thinking other leaders are too "touchy-feely" and "won't let him do what needs to be done"

I made a beeline for the liquor cabinet at that point. Situations like this are why whisky sours exist

I was literally the only person drinking at my family's Thanksgiving, but by and large we're a bunch of dirty libs (except my dad, who is both slowly losing his mental facilities and knows that I will just talk at him until he goes away, as I do with everyone, about everything, all the time, because I'm really annoying).

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SnakePlissken
Dec 31, 2009

by zen death robot

Combed Thunderclap posted:

Yep.

In honor of Thanksgiving, I present to you a very dear family member of mine who is well-known for being wonderful and generous, is an amazing teacher who works with kids all day for poo poo pay, and is all-around fantastic.

Won't vote anything but Republican, has never voted anything other than Republican. Recommended that I, a gay person, submit job applications to the Trump and Rubio campaigns. Is incensed that Hillary Clinton "lied to the American people". Thinks illegal immigrants "just shouldn't break the law" (but would undoubtedly help any of them out if they were actual people she saw in real life in need, instead of just imaginary straw men).

The best part is, she barely has any money saved for retirement, and is basically going to have to live off of Social Security+ex-spouse's pension in a decade or so.

She isn't stupid (is an excellent teacher), and she doesn't lack compassion (the stories I could tell of her self-sacrifice for people are really unbelievable). But I'm dead certain that all of the Republican candidates could say (and some have already said) they personally want to end public schooling and Social Security and deport the very kids she teaches and she would vote for them every time.

Based on my repeated exposure to this person there's two components to her political stance:
1) Identity: Republican = self-reliant, smart, pro-safety, pro-family, pro-America. Nothing can contradict this, ever.
2) Availability heuristic: Somehow, some way (in part because of the Identity thing above) she cannot connect what the GOP says with what will actually happen if they succeed. The policy-reality divide is so great that it simply does not exist. The cognitive dissonance results in truly evil policies like mass deportations or Rubio's "terrorist attacks are good for my campaign moment" being explained away as good for the country or taking things out of context. Only the good things survive the filter. So why wouldn't anyone want to vote Republican?

I hate to say it, because I love this family member a lot, but every time we talk about politics, I remember how truly horrible things happen in history. It's not just that good people don't do anything in the face of evil, it's that good people will happily, enthusiastically support evil, right up until they're frog marching undocumented kids (or even citizens with undocumented parents) out of her classroom into the buses waiting in the parking lot, because they're utterly convinced that evil is good.

Just to be clear, the total inability to understand the chain of causation between things that you can't immediately see is surprisingly common. Humanity knew the cure for scurvy for centuries, but thousands died year after year because people couldn't make the right connections between the potential causes and their effects without a modern, scientific understanding of exactly what scurvy was and why it did or didn't happen.

Happy Thanksgiving, this is a hell of a good post.

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