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I had to go up to Reno for the holiday. Saw a large poster for Jefferson State on the way. I don't know exactly where we were, because I had dozed off, but we were somewhere before Trukee. I woke up, saw that then went back to sleep. Some asshat on my friends fb, who I think hails from around there, has been posting tons of ignorant anarchy/conservative bullshit and complaining that his vote don't count in California, so I can see their motivation, but oh boy would that be a bad idea for them in the long run.
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The State of Jefferson would have the dubious honor of being the poorest state in the nation. Their only marketable industries would be logging and tourism, and if you've been by the parts of NorCal where there's been serious logging, you can see how logging doesn't improve your tourism. They'd strip the hills bare and descend into abject poverty, but they'd be able to open carry in defense of the most important amendment, the second. 
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Nov 28, 2015 23:09
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http://www.mercurynews.com/politics-government/ci_15340236?source=rss don't forget that usual "rural red-leaning areas take in more money from the state than they give back" deal
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Nov 28, 2015 23:10
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I lived in Southern Oregon for a few years, and I met my share of Jeffersonian supporters. I even met Jeffersonian "militia" members, which was about the time I realized I needed to get the hell out of there. Honestly, if Southern California could split off that'd be great.
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Nov 28, 2015 23:13
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FCKGW posted:Brown got some groundwater regulations going this year for the first time ever, no? Yes, it's a massive comprehensive new regulation structure but takes a while to come into full effect.
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Nov 28, 2015 23:39
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Honestly, if Southern California could split off that'd be great. Well, if you think in geologic time, it is (at least, the Western half of it is).
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Nov 28, 2015 23:50
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e_angst posted:Well, if you think in geologic time, it is (at least, the Western half of it is). Freedom shall come to my desiccated bones!
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Nov 28, 2015 23:57
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I'm not sure why anyone thinks the state will be improved when San Bernardino is adjacent to Berkeley.
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Nov 29, 2015 00:28
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enraged_camel posted:I posted this before: the exact same thing has happened in central Turkey back in the 90s, causing tremendous economic damage and resulting in the need to rebuild not just infrastructure, but also large parts of many towns in the region (the buildings had become unstable). Not like we live in an earthquake prone area or anything. 
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Nov 29, 2015 01:35
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:I lived in Southern Oregon for a few years, and I met my share of Jeffersonian supporters. I even met Jeffersonian "militia" members, which was about the time I realized I needed to get the hell out of there. Not even all So Cal. If we could split off Orange County and the IE, everyone would be much happier.
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Nov 29, 2015 07:15
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Nuke all California just to be on the safe side.
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Nuke Texas instead so there can be a nice point of reference for the east-west divide.
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Nov 29, 2015 08:42
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FRINGE posted:Nuke Texas instead so there can be a nice point of reference for the east-west divide. Then where would you get your nukes from? 
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enraged_camel posted:Nuke all California just to be on the safe side. I heartily agree. All this Greenie bullshit is stopping us from achieving cheap-as-poo poo power with modern, clean, safe fission power plants all over the coast. It's a drat shame they're closing/have closed(?) the San Onofre plant.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:All this oil/coal/nuke bullshit is stopping us from achieving cheap-as-poo poo power with modern, clean, safe solar power plants all over the coast. Totally agree. Whats the point to living in a dessicated hellscape if youre not using the sun for energy?  Grand Prize Winner posted:It's a drat shame they're closing/have closed(?) the San Onofre plant. http://www.kpbs.org/news/2015/aug/03/counting-customer-costs-san-onofre-closure-95-bill/ quote:Investigators recently issued search warrants at the offices of San Onofre majority owner Southern California Edison. State regulators were hunting for records on whether the deal was struck in secret. The pact forces customers to pay 70 percent of the costs to shutter the facility following a 2012 radiation leak without a full investigation by state regulators into who was at fault. That $3.3 billion tab is about one third of the $10.4 billion decades-long bill customers must cover because of the shutdown. That works out to about $1,600 per customer meter, spread out over the next decade or two. quote:A state attorney general's investigation revealed that an Edison executive and the commission's president at the time, Michael Peevey, discussed a settlement of San Onofre closure costs during a meeting at a hotel in Warsaw. The meeting and other communications prompted investigations by the U.S. attorney and the commission itself. quote:Additionally, Rendon alleges the previous president of the CPUC, Michael Peevy, may have met secretly with power insiders from Southern California Edison in advance of any public hearings. Back Hack posted:Then where would you get your nukes from? 
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FRINGE posted:Totally agree. Whats the point to living in a dessicated hellscape if youre not using the sun for energy? Transcendence was a lovely adaptation of Frankenstein.
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Sydin posted:If anything the only interesting bit is the tailend of the graph, if only because it tells me we're marching right towards an even more hilariously disastrous tech/property bubble crash.
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Ron Jeremy posted:Not even all So Cal. If we could split off Orange County and the IE, everyone would be much happier. Ah yes, the IE's well-documented love of Orange County. Like two peas in a pod. What the gently caress are you talking about?
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He means that Orange County and the IE both loving suck
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Speaking of which, the Guardian has started an excellent series on why Kern County is the per-capita police homicide capital of the U.S. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/01/the-county-kern-county-deadliest-police-killings
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http://ktla.com/2015/12/02/authorities-respond-to-20-victim-shooting-incident-in-san-bernardino-fire-dept/ Mass shooting in San Bernadino. Someone here just got a text that the NG may be deployed.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:http://www.mercurynews.com/politics-government/ci_15340236?source=rss don't forget that usual "rural red-leaning areas take in more money from the state than they give back" deal lol 
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LeoMarr posted:http://ktla.com/2015/12/02/authorities-respond-to-20-victim-shooting-incident-in-san-bernardino-fire-dept/ Reports of 12 people killed so far, holy poo poo.
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FCKGW posted:Reports of 12 people killed so far, holy poo poo. I can't even muster the energy to talk about how it's too soon to talk about gun control any more. This is getting ridiculous. And still nothing will be done because "look it's just crazy people"
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"They're just three lone wolves, definitely not domestic terrorism, nope.  "
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Is there any more information right now other than location and casualties? Edit: Google maps link of the facility https://goo.gl/maps/PTessYqEtSt The website for IRC is unreachable, presumably due to and abundance of traffic. This is the description text that shows up on Google quote:Inland Regional Center offers sex education classes for individuals with a developmental disability, but this is not commonplace. Read more about Rachel, Improper Umlaut fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Dec 2, 2015 |
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ChickenRiceNPeas posted:Is there any more information right now other than location and casualties? Not really, it's just a lot of speculation for now. Check back in a few hours.
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why the gently caress would they target a center for the disabled.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:why the gently caress would they target a center for the disabled. It's a soft target with no security. Also if it's full of special needs people it's not like they're going to be able to fight back or run away. e: if you think like a terrorist it makes sense. No security, vulnerable targets, minimal risk from victims, and good potential for mass casualties. If you got 3 guys getting together to gun down a bunch of crippled kids and mentally handicapped folks that goes way beyond "mental illness" into "organized terror" Minarchist fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Dec 2, 2015 |
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:why the gently caress would they target a center for the disabled. I know, there is absolutely noting controversial about this place. They must be an exceptional level of rear end in a top hat.
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My conservative gun nutty friend that I post his facebook poo poo to in the email thread got caught up in that poo poo. He's OK, but hey, here are the guns you love up and close for your enjoyment!
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:"They're just three lone wolves, definitely not domestic terrorism, nope. ComradeCosmobot posted:And still nothing will be done because "look it's just crazy people" You can't really stop crazy suicidal assholes 100% of the time without locking down society, and even then its a coin toss. I doubt these guys expect to get out of this alive. It doesn't help that we have this messed up culture that glorifies mass shooters, it's a perverse way of getting guaranteed infamy and recognition. If you're a mentally unhinged loner it's a great way to make sure everyone knows who you are, and how you Did Something Important. If you're part of an extremist group its a great way of getting your message across, garnering knee-jerk reactions from government, and instilling fear far beyond the scope of your actual actions.
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I'm a gun owner in favor of much better gun control laws. That said, I think America's biggest problems (many of which feed into our gun violence problem) is the consistently terrible way we treat people with mental illness, combined with the consistently terrible way that we treat people who live in poverty. The hysteria over mass shootings masks the much larger general gun murder rate, which utterly dwarfs it. We care a lot more (via media) about the ten or twenty random people shot in some shooting spree, than we do the dozens of individuals each individually murdered usually by someone they know, in the more impoverished parts of more or less every city in the country, daily. As of 2013, the US's gun homicide rate is at 3.55 per 100,000 people per year. Our gun suicide rate is nearly twice that. Here is a list of all of the countries with higher gun homicide rates per capita: Honduras El Salvador Jamaica Venezuela Swaziland Guatemala Colombia Brazil South Africa Panama Mexico Paraguay Nicaragua Costa Rica source We're a country awash in guns, and - critically - people in hopeless or desperate situations, mental crises, or both. We've got to deal with all three if we want change. Tightening registration laws, banning "assault weapons," or reducing the legal size of ammunition magazines and clips, will not accomplish that. We've got to do something much more difficult: we need to change our culture of guns, our culture of inadequate privatized health care (especially mental health care), and our culture of marginalizing and dehumanizing the poor.
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Perhaps it's also worth mentioning that, based on the CDC's estimate of 30 alcohol-related driving deaths per day in 2013, the national death rate in vehicular alcohol accidents is about 3.5/100,000. So if we have a problem with gun murders, we have basically an equal problem with drunk drivers.
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It's actually really hard to imagine a time without regular mass shootings. It just seems like a normal thing that happens, given a large enough population, and enough media coverage. 
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Leperflesh posted:Perhaps it's also worth mentioning that, based on the CDC's estimate of 30 alcohol-related driving deaths per day in 2013, the national death rate in vehicular alcohol accidents is about 3.5/100,000. so bring on the trains! then everybody can be sloshed while they travel without such serious risk
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zeal posted:so bring on the trains! then everybody can be sloshed while they travel without such serious risk I am desperately waiting for my self-driving car for exactly this reason.
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ChickenRiceNPeas posted:Is there any more information right now other than location and casualties? There's a GBS Thread, Reddit live thread: https://www.reddit.com/live/w0nn1o5hu90y Police scanner: http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443 Latest is that there's 3 suspects who are on the loose in the black SUV. According to employees the shooting was in a conference room that was rented out for the day and may be unrelated to what the hospital does.
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FCKGW posted:There's a GBS Thread,
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