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Zack needs to get rid of that anger, and there's a Chimaera right there to do it. Ursa can use the other weapon you got. Finally, might as well have Realga there to help Ursa live.
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Ursa, Stardust, Realga Anecdotal, but on my Gunner SCC, Supreme Bolt never failed to stun anything that wasn't actually immune to stun.
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And 3 hours later, the poll results are currently:quote:Tyler: 7 A sudden surge of interest in Tyler. Hey, I'm not complaining. Because the acutal Chimaera update probably won't be for a while (I've got two final projects due and two exams this week), I'll be posting a class overview of Landsknechts later tonight. Until then, enjoy the intro image based on a friend's suggestion: 
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  Landsknechts were introduced in EO1, and have been in three of the four main EO games (including their complete rework in EO4, and not including the Untold games) since. In EO1, they were the only reliable physical damage class you had unlocked from the start (Ronin were only unlocked after reaching the 3rd Stratum), and were really good at doing that job. Swords gave access to Allslash, the best skill for clearing out random encounters, and axes provided high single-target damage. While Ronin could technically get higher numbers than Landsknechts in EO1, they had to deal with being an unlockable class in a game where fast grinding is simply not possible, meaning that Landsknechts remained the best option for physical damage throughout the entirety of EO1. Atlus didn't like that, and so they severely nerfed Landsknechts in EO2, to the point of near-uselessness. Not only did their damage numbers get reduced across all of their skills (while Ronin got their numbers increased quite a lot), their TP costs got severely increased, without an increase to their TP pools to compensate. In short, they not only dealt less damage, but couldn't go nearly as long in fights without having to chug several Amritas. After an absence in EO3 due to the entire class roster being redone, Landsknechts showed up again in EO4--albeit completely reworked to be elemental damage dealers that rely on the rest of the party, but that's another story for another LP. When EOU came around, classic Landsknechts made a return, with some new skills and slightly buffed, but not enough to be relevant. Both the sword and axe skill trees each got new mid-level skills (both of which are of dubious use), and their damage numbers were slightly increased to compensate for the power creep that had occured since EO2. They were a viable choice in Classic parties, but I wouldn't say they were optimal. And now we come to EO2U, where Landsknechts are useful again. The biggest changes that Landsknechts received are that cafe food now provides methods to either boost or sustain their small TP pools, and their damage numbers (for a few skills) got buffed up again. EO2U Landsknechts also gained new high-level damage skills for both swords and axes: Hurricane and Heavy Smash, respectively. Both of these allow Landsknechts to remain competitive with the other choices for damage dealers in the lategame and postgame, along with general changes to the game which encourage not just classes that output massive damage, but classes that can survive in big fights. Stats: Level 1 HP: 36 TP: 20 STR: 10 TEC: 4 VIT: 9 AGI: 6 LUC: 6 Level 50 HP: 244 TP: 186 STR: 36 TEC: 20 VIT: 33 AGI: 27 LUC: 22 Level 99 HP: 556 TP: 351 STR: 68 TEC: 39 VIT: 63 AGI: 52 LUC: 43 Innate weapon choices: Innate armor choices: Common skills: HP Up, TP Up, Phys ATK Up, Phys DEF Up, Mine Landsknechts have the second-highest STR of any class at level 99, only 2 points behind Ronin at the same level. Their TEC is pretty bad, but none of their skills use it anyway. Among the classes I'd define as "front row damage dealers" (Landsknechts, Dark Hunters, Ronin, War Magi, Highlanders, and Fafnir), Landsknechts have the best VIT and armor choice (Highlanders can equip shields innately as well, but lack the ability to equip heavy armor), along with HP (beating out Highlanders very slightly at 556 compared to 547 at level 99). Their AGI is decent enough; it's considerably lower than that of Dark Hunters, Ronin, and Highlanders, but is higher than War Magi and Fafnir (not a very high bar, though, given that War Magi have the worst level 99 AGI at 30, and Fafnir only fares slightly better at 38); as a result, Landsknechts don't miss attacks that much, but they do miss more than the others. Landsknechts have trash LUC, though, which isn't great given that several of their skills try to inflict status ailments. Landsknechts also have TP that, while comparable to most other front liners, is still lower than pretty much all of the other classes. The Max TP Up food and Recover TP Every Turn food help with this, but they may still need an Amrita or three in longer fights. Sword/Axe Mastery Requirements: None  Required to learn sword/axe skills. Passively increases damage dealt with swords/axes. Sword Mastery is identical to the Dark Hunter version, and additionally does not stack with Blade Mastery. Note that for every mastery skill in the game, when you unlock a skill by investing in the mastery, whatever skill you unlock is automatically given one level upon unlock. Raging Edge Requirements: Sword Mastery level 1 Required equipment: Sword Body parts used: Arms  Deals melee STR-based Cut damage to one target. Has no speed modifier. I would not advise investing any skill points in Raging Edge. I've seen a select few people say that Raging Edge is worthwhile due to its damage-to-TP ratio, but the damage is still mediocre, and you get less burst damage potential out of your Landsknecht. Tornado Requirements: Sword Mastery level 3 Required equipment: Sword Body parts used: Arms  Deals melee STR-based Cut damage to one enemy. Deals splash damage to adjacent enemies. Has an 80% speed modifier at all levels. Tornado is very useful in the early game. Levels 1 to 4 give pretty nice main target damage for 7 TP, and the splash damage obviously helps with multiiple-enemy encounters. You're going to eventually need level 5 for the Sword Mastery tree's ultimate skill, but I'd advise putting that off as long as possible, because 12 TP will cut into a Landsknecht's TP pool quite badly for the first Stratum. Blinding Slash Requirements: Sword Mastery level 5 Required equipment: Sword Body parts used: Arms  Deals melee STR-based Cut damage to one enemy. If Blinding Slash misses, it attempts to inflict blind on every enemy in the battle. Has a 50% speed modifier at all levels. What Blinding Slash has going for it is that it deals quite significant damage relative to how many skill points you need to invest to unlock it. What it has going against it is that the base accuracy penalty is really significant. In my experience, at level 15-20, Blinding Slash tends to miss more than it hits. The blind effect isn't that great, either; the base infliction chance is meh, and the Landsknecht's sub-par LUC doesn't help. Now, if you pair up Blinding Slash with Triple Charge, you can offset the accuracy penalty, and makes the blind chance slightly less awful if you miss. The downside with doing this is that Triple Charge introduces a considerable skill point investment on top of what you need for Blinding Slash; 5 points in TP Up, and then 10 into Triple Charge. I overall wouldn't recommend Blinding Slash. It's supposed to be a damage option that doesn't require as much skill point investment as other skills, but even when you have a maxed Blinding Slash and Triple Charge, you still risk having your Landsknecht miss. I actually tried the Blinding Slash build in another EO2U Classic run, and was pretty thoroughly underwhelmed. Falcon Slash Requirements: Sword Mastery level 10 Required equipment: Sword Body parts used: Legs  Deals melee STR-based Cut damage to random enemies. Can hit a given enemy only once. Has a 150% speed modifier at all levels. Falcon Slash is, in a vacuum, one of the better random encounter-clearing skills in the game. It deals decently high damage as far as multi-target skills go, and tends to go before most enemies do. Unfortunately, skills exist outside of a vacuum, and Falcon Slash's main downside is its TP cost. 16 from levels 1-4 is already a very deep cut into the Landsknecht's TP pool, and it only gets worse from there. Thankfully, EO2U offers a number of ways (mostly through cafe food) to increase the Landsknecht's TP pool a good amount, which helps Falcon Slash considerably. In addition, Falcon Slash is a prerequisite to the Sword Mastery tree's ultimate skill, so you're probably going to be leveling it up to at least 5 anyway. Finally, note that Falcon Slash uses the Landsknecht's legs, not their arms. This is a very niche use of the skill, but if your Landsknecht gets their arms bound, they can still contribute some level of damage outside of just using basic attacks. Of course, you'll have to deal with the fact that arm binds reduce STR, but hey. Hurricane Requirements: Tornado level 5, Falcon Slash level 5 Required equipment: Sword Body parts used: Arms  Deals six instances of melee STR-based Cut damage to random targets. Can hit the same target multiple times Has a 150% speed modifier and no accuracy modifier at all levels. Disables all of the Landsknecht's skills for one turn after use. The Sword Mastery tree's ultimate skill, and its hardest-hitting one. As you can see on the table, it deals 540% damage at level 10, and 690% damage at level 20 (remember that Blinding Slash dealt 500% at level 20). However, you might have noticed the bold note I put in the basic description; yes, Hurricane completely disables all of the Landsknecht's non-Force skills for one turn after using it. Quite a lot of EO2U skills actually have a "cooldown" component to them, but Hurricane takes it a step further by completely locking you out of any skills, instead of just itself. Even with the skill-disabling part in mind, Hurricane is still by far the best damage option for sword Landsknechts if you're not using the Chasers. It deals less damage over the course of 1-4 turns than most other skills, but for turn 5 and beyond it tends to deal more damage (or, in the case of Heavy Smash, slightly less damage for a lot less TP), especially if you use Triple Charge in combination with it. Charge skills in EO2U generally decrease a character's overall DPS if you spam them, but will increase your DPS with skills that have cooldowns. (For those of you too lazy to open calc.exe, a level 20 Triple Charge will boost a level 20 Hurricane's damage to 1242%--and that's before any buffs or Full Charge are taken into account). Boomerang Axe Requirements: Axe Mastery level 1 Required equipment: Axe Body parts used: Arms  Deals ranged STR-based Bash damage to one enemy. I don't know why you would ever want to use a back row Landsknecht, frankly. It doesn't help that Boomerang Axe's damage is abject garbage. Don't put any points into it. Head Bash Requirements: Axe Mastery level 3 Required equipment: Axe Body parts used: Arms  Deals melee STR-based Bash damage to one enemy. Attempts to bind the target's head. Has an 80% speed modifier at all levels. See my comments about Blinding Slash for how viable the Landsknecht is at inflicting status ailments. On top of that, Head Bash has damage comparable to Boomerang Axe. A completely trash skill. Unfortunately, it's a requirement for Heavy Smash. Stunning Smash Requirements: Axe Mastery level 5 Required equipment: Axe Body parts used: Arms  Deals melee STR-based Bash damage to one enemy. Attempts to stun the target. Has no accuracy modifier at all levels. See my comments on Head Bash. Stunning Smash is worse than that, actually, because stuns don't carry over to the next turn if they are inflicted after an enemy has acted. It has a speed modifier, yes, but it's still garbage. It's not even a prerequisite to a better skill. Charge Smash Requirements: Axe Mastery level 10 Required equipment: Axe Body parts used: Arms  Deals melee STR-based Bash damage to one enemy. Has a 25% speed modifier and no accuracy modifier at all levels. Well, Charge Smash is...an option for damage until you get Heavy Smash. The speed modifier's pretty bad. It's a prerequisite to Heavy Smash. There really isn't a lot to say about Charge Smash. It doesn't even have the (formerly dubious) honor of being the Landsknecht's best damage skill like in EO2 and EOU. Heavy Smash Requirements: Head Bash level 5, Charge Smash level 5 Required equipment: Axe Body parts used: Arms  Deals melee STR-based Bash damage to one enemy. Increases the TP cost and damage after every cast; each cast increases the damage and TP cost by 25% of the base of each, capping out at 200% damage and TP cost. If the Landsknecht dies, the damage and TP cost are reset to 100%. Has an 80% speed modifier and no accuracy modifier at all levels. The best damage skill for axe Landsknechts. Even given that, I'd say it's still really inferior to Hurricane; the damage takes 5 turns to actually get to good levels, and when it gets going, it costs a lot more TP than Hurricane does for slightly better damage on average; for contrast (assuming all of the following skills are level 20), Triple Charge -> Hurricane -> Attack (assuming no crits and no Double Attack procs) deals 1342% damage for 42 TP, while Charge Smash x3 (assuming it's at max power) deals 1680% damage for 120 TP. And getting to the third max-power Charge Smash would take 7 turns! War Cry Requirements: HP Up level 5 Body parts used: Head  Places a buff on the Landsknecht and anyone else in their row that increases their damage; however, it also increases the damage each character takes. Has an 80% speed modifier at all levels. A fairly decent attack buff. The defense debuff sucks, though, and with more fragile characters like Ronin and Dark Hunters, it can very easily lead to otherwise-avoidable deaths, especially when you reach the lategame and postgame. Take it if you want, if your front line is fairly durable, and if you don't already have a Troubador or Sovereign, but I'd say skip it in all other cases. Triple Charge Requirements: TP Up level 5 Body parts used: Head  Raises the Landsknecht's damage, ailment infliction rate, and hit rate on the next turn. Has no speed modifier at all levels. Those of you used to EO3 might be looking at the numbers on Triple Charge and wondering why the gently caress they're below 200%. The answer is that EO4 nerfed its Charge skill when not on the class that has it innately a decent amount, and Untold then further nerfed Charge skills really badly, which carried over to EO2U. Almost every single Charge skill in EO2U decreases your overall damage output if you just spam them EO3-style. The upside is they usually have riders that, like in Triple Charge's case, boost other stuff besides damage. Charge skills were pretty much completely useless in EOU, but the addition of cooldown skills in EO2U gives them a certain use. With that in mind, there's two primary skills that Triple Charge combos well with in the Landsknecht's toolkit: Blinding Slash, and Hurricane. Hurricane will make you skip out on a turn of using skills anyway, so using Triple Charge is still getting more damage than you would've otherwise over the course of 5 turns or so. Blinding Slash will miss considerably less often with Triple Charge, and if it does miss, the affliction chance goes up. If you're not using Hurricane or Blinding Slash, Triple Charge is bad. Fire/Ice/Volt Chaser Requirements: War Cry level 3, Triple Charge level 3 Required equipment: Sword or Axe Body parts used: Legs  At the start of the turn, the Landsknecht will prepare the Chaser. After that, they will follow up on any attacks corresponding to the element of the Chaser they used, dealing melee STR-based (Element of weapon)+Element damage. Every time the Landsknecht chases, the chance to Chase the next elemental attack goes down. There is also a maximum number of times a Landsknecht can Chase in a turn. The Chasers are the single best skills in the Landsknecht toolkit. Unlike previous games, where you'd need an entire party built around the Chasers, in EO2U, there are a lot of options for getting multiple procs from less characters--Action Boost, Double Action, Additional Palm, Accelerate, the list goes on. 775% damage (level 20, all 5 chases) is some serious hurt and, unlike Hurricane, it won't disable your skills! Fencer Requirements: Phys ATK Up level 5  Increases the Landsknecht's chance of dealing critical hits with normal attacks, and increases the damage critical hits deal. I'd call Fencer a waste of skill points in any other EO game, but it's actually something you really want to invest in after you have all the actual attack skills you want. The reason for this? Fencer's increase to critical hit damage applies to Full Charge as well. At level 20, Fencer turns Full Charge into a 70% damage increase, one of the highest effective damage increases among all of the classes. And it stacks fully with buffs! Also worth considering: if you're using Hurricane, and you have a level 20 Fencer, it's very much worth it to Attack during the turn where your skills are disabled, especially in combination with the next passive. Double Attack Requirements: Fencer level 5  Gives the Landsknecht a chance to attack twice when using the Attack command. Double Attack's best application is in combination with a level 20 Fencer. With both of them at level 20, which is something you really should not be getting until the postgame, a Landsknecht's normal attacks basically deal 340% damage. Like I said for Fencer, this combos really well with Hurricane's skills-disabled turn, as well. Swordbreaker Requirements: Phys DEF Up level 5 Required equipment: Sword or Axe Body parts used: Arms  Deals melee STR-based Cut or Bash damage to one enemy. Lower's the target's physical damage for one turn. Has no speed modifier at all levels. Swordbreaker's not entirely a garbage skill, but the problem is it means you have to dedicate one of your damage dealers to performing support duties. The prerequisite buildup is also...how you say, not ideal. Full Charge Force Boost For 3 turns, all normal attacks, sword skills, and axe skills will become critical hits. Critial hits deal 150% damage without any levels in Fencer. Kind of unique, as far as Force Boosts go, on the surface, but in the end just a way to increase damage for a few turns. Full Gain Force Break Body parts used: Arms Deals melee STR-based Cut damage to one enemy. Damage scales linearly from 800% to 2700% based on user level. Has a 70% speed modifier. It's a big nuke. Wow! Rea fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Oct 11, 2016 |
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Ragnar Homsar posted:After an absence in EO3 due to the entire class roster being redone, Landsknechts showed up again in EO4--albeit completely reworked to be elemental damage dealers that rely on the rest of the party, but that's another story for another LP. God, EO4 Landsknecht was so good. 
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Weapon masteries actually have their damage bonus applied to skills in this game. It's only in EO3 where they only applied to basic attacks. So they're not useless, it's just something to invest in when you have all your skills. And if you want to optimize your party, but there aren't any other Grimoires you want, you might as well slap that onto them. There were two useful charge skills in EOU. Charge (which was an enemy skill) boosted damage by 210% at level 10, and there was Action Boost. Which was essentially a 300%+ damage boost (even higher if you Boosted the skill Action Boost was taking effect on) which got nerfed heavily in EO2U. Gonna have to disagree on the Chasers being bad. They're actually a viable option, and it's far easier to build a party around them (without dropping their effectiveness) than in any of the other EO games, where your options for that were far more limited. A Gunner with Action Boost active has 2 chances to activate a chaser (and that's not even taking Double Action procs into account) and Palm Alchemists can also roll for 2 chances thanks to Additional Palm. And if Double Action procs when they use Palms, that's 4 chances to activate a chaser. In fact, I'd say Chasers are close to being dangerously overbuffed in this game. If Atlus buffs them even more if they pop up in EOV or EO3U, I would say they would pretty much become overpowered. (Again.)
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Dr. Fetus posted:Weapon masteries actually have their damage bonus applied to skills in this game. It's only in EO3 where they only applied to basic attacks. So they're not useless, it's just something to invest in when you have all your skills. And if you want to optimize your party, but there aren't any other Grimoires you want, you might as well slap that onto them. Huh. Guess I never noticed the damage being applied. The Atwiki's Google Translate spew just says "Physical attack power is increased when equipped with sword / ax," which doesn't help there. Good to know! I never really considered Action Boost as a charge skill. Just thought of it as its own thing. I didn't know about the Charge enemy Grimoire, though. And again, I guess I just underestimate Chasers. I dunno, after using them a little in EOU and getting really unlucky with the chase chances I just ditched them, although to be fair I didn't build a party around them. The thought of using Action Boosted Gunners or Fafnir or Palmchemists didn't occur to me, though. Time to rewrite that! e: I'm going to guess this is going to happen pretty much every time I write a class overview.  Maybe I should start a new Classic run and do it alongside the LP, trying out strategies I haven't yet considered (across all of my EO2U runs, I have never tried a single Palm skill. It's always about Compression).
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Ragnar Homsar posted:And again, I guess I just underestimate Chasers. I dunno, after using them a little in EOU and getting really unlucky with the chase chances I just ditched them, although to be fair I didn't build a party around them. The thought of using Action Boosted Gunners or Fafnir or Palmchemists didn't occur to me, though. Time to rewrite that! there's a couple videos from one person fighting [THINGS] with a party built around chaser burst and they get some pretty good mileage out of it
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alcharagia posted:God, EO4 Landsknecht was so good. Fun, too. Nothing quite like seeing the enemy's HP go down in multiple increments of about 400 or so.
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Where do LPers even pull these numbers from, anyway. I hope it's not ridiculous amounts of testing.
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Supremezero posted:Where do LPers even pull these numbers from, anyway. I hope it's not ridiculous amounts of testing. Datamining.
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alcharagia posted:God, EO4 Landsknecht was so good. EO4 Landy was my favorite class from that game, though really all the classes in that game were great.
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Supremezero posted:Where do LPers even pull these numbers from, anyway. I hope it's not ridiculous amounts of testing. From the way they only have the values for certain levels, it's almost certainly testing.
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Supremezero posted:Where do LPers even pull these numbers from, anyway. I hope it's not ridiculous amounts of testing. For EO1-3, yeah, it's usually through datamining the games. For EO4 and beyond, it's usually a lot of testing due to how 3DS games are encrypted. EO4's not that difficult to get into internally, but EOU and EO2U handle their internals a lot differently from EO4, making them much harder to even get into, much less grab info from. Rea fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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Supremezero posted:Where do LPers even pull these numbers from, anyway. I hope it's not ridiculous amounts of testing. For the DS games, the info was datamined. People had to test for the 3DS games, and they still don't have all the info. It was easier to test for stuff in EO4, because people found out that it shared the same formulas as EO3. (The only EO games where that actually happened. Most EO games just change everything up from game to game.) Unfortunately for stuff like ailment infliction rates, that's much harder to test for since those are probability skills, and don't exactly have visual results telling you exactly what happened. It also doesn't help that the only stats that the game actually tells you about are STR and VIT. So it's kind of hard to test things when you're missing vital info. Mind you people have gotten into EO2U and started hacking it. They just haven't looked at the internal guts. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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Tyler, Jackie and Stardust.
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Seems like everyone who wanted to vote has (8_Escape there literally posted as I was consulting with a friend about trying to resolve the former three-way tie for the last two spots while preparing to post this), meaning that the final results are:quote:Tyler: 11 Tyler, Sophie, Realga, Stardust, and Jackie! Or, in terms of rows, 1 front liner and 4 back liners. Time to get creative, I guess! Realga's going to be working double-time. Rea fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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Time to go Palmchemist?
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W.T. Fits posted:Time to go Palmchemist? I mean, Stardust is just as easily killed in the back as she is in the front; couldn't hurt. I'll do some test runs and see how much Palms compare to Compression at this level.My initial plan was to put Tyler and Sophie in the front; Sophie's entire job is to poison Chimaera and maybe use Black Mist if I can miraculously get a bind to stick as well. After that, she doesn't do much.
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Ragnar Homsar posted:I mean, Stardust is just as easily killed in the back as she is in the front; couldn't hurt. Unless you're willing to farm up Grimoires, I don't think Palms would do that much for you unless you're expecting the fight to take 20+ turns. (Okay granted unless you cheese the bosses, that's pretty much how long most of them take.) The main thing Palms have over Compression is TP efficiency. Palms have the best TP to damage ratio out of all the Alchemist's skills, so they're great in long fights. But they need their palm skill and Additional Palm to really deal damage, which they won't have enough skill points for until the 2nd Stratum. But Compression builds deals the most damage in the shortest amount of time, so if you're looking to kill things quickly, that's the way to go.
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Update 8: The King's Roar Sounds To start the update, I ended up grinding in the Labyrinth long enough to finish the Deer Steak ad campaign at FOEbucks.     Yes, food can run out after an ad campaign, if you only had 1 measure of one or more ingredients left. When we leave FOEbucks:  SYSTEM: It was a request that asked you to advertise the Deer Steak to the people of the South Ward. Through your advertising efforts, you have fulfilled the request! Head to the bar and report your results!    I do exactly that, because most of the party is close enough to a level up, which I very much want before fighting Chimaera.  Fortune Scarabs guarantee that you'll get a Grimoire during a Grimoire Chance. Meh. The big problem with the Fortune Scarab is that it's still up to the RNG what you'll actually get.  And we get a few level ups.  Sophie's build. I maxed out Venom Curse to make getting the Poison Wing from Chimaera less painful, and put her leftover points into Frailty Curse, which was...kind of a waste, for reasons you'll see later.  Tyler's build. I go all in on Spear Assist, as it's his best damage option for Chimaera.   I maxed out Heal Mastery on Realga, which unlocked Overheal. Overheal is an amazing goddamn skill. It's basically a charge skill, but for healing skills. When you use it, the next healing skill the user casts will not only heal more, but it can boost the max HP of whoever it heals for one turn if it'd heal more than their normal max HP, up to a certain percent of the target's normal max HP based on Overheal's level. It's too low a level to really be useful for Chimaera, but Realga will be getting plenty of use out of it when she gets more levels of it.  Stardust's build. Compression is an attack buff that makes any all-target skills single-target only, but it gives them a massive damage boost to compensate.  Jackie's build. Charged Ice got another level since we last saw her, boosting its damage quite a bit while increasing the TP cost to 20.      The Chimaera-slaying party's equipment.      And their Grimoires. I spent a little bit grinding up Grimoires for the party, as well as found a level 8 Warrior Song through Grimoire Trade. The most important ones are the Venom Curse level 6, boosting the level to 16, and Spear Assist level 8, bringing the level to 17.  The Poison Damage 2x food will be very, very important in getting Chimaera's conditional.      There's two Vampire Bats that each patrol a straight line above the rubble piles, but I cleared them out before coming in. I didn't want to have to deal with them during the Chimaera fight. The fights were nothing interesting, not worth documenting. Also ignore the really badly incomplete map, I didn't fully map out the room before going in.           VIDEO: Boss Fight: Chimaera  I very much recommend you watch the video instead of reading the screenshot version of the fight. If you don't want to, though, then:  At least listen to the music. Scarlet Rain was a pretty okay track in its DS and PC-88 versions, but the Untold arranged version is really, really good. And, copy-pasting from my pre-fight overview: quote:
 Much like the Raptors, you can start the fight with Chimaera while it's in a pit, and you can get a (pointless) preemptive if you approach it from the back. Starting the fight this way also automatically binds Chimaera's legs.   Sophie'll start by both using her Force Boost to make inflicting stuff easier, and trying to bind Chimaera's arms. If Chimaera's arms and legs are bound, its only option for attacking is Great Blaze, which I can very easily handle.   Tyler will start by using his Force Boost to give himself a 50% damage boost (I don't really care about the heal right now), and using Spear Assist. Spear Assist pretty much always goes last, and deals Stab+Element damage based on the last elemental attack used. We want to take advantage of Chimaera's Ice weakness as much as possible.  No-one needs healing, and I'm deliberately waiting on casting Warrior Song, so Realga'll just help deal a little damage by tossing jars at Chimaera. Chimaera doesn't resist Fire, so these Fire Jars have a use here.  Stardust will use Compression.   Jackie starts off with her Force Boost and Charged Ice. It's not as much as Stardust deals, but it's still good damage. We'll also need Supreme Bolt in a few turns, anyway.    Genuinely wasn't expecting that to work. Abdomen Curse is only level 2, and Creeping Curse only helps so much.      Hero Battle heals the entire party for 25% of whatever damage the Highlander deals with spears.  Sophie'll switch over to trying to inflict Venom Curse on Chimaera. Chimaera resists poison, but hopefully Creeping Curse will help offset that.  Tyler's using Spear Assist again, so I didn't screen that. Realga will cast Warrior Song now that Stardust has cast Compression; the reason for this lies with how buffs of the same type stack. I'll explain in greater detail in a later mechanics post.   Now that Compression is active, Stardust activates Analysis (boosts damage that an enemy is weak to by 65%) and starts spamming Cocytus Formula. Jackie does the same thing as last turn.   Feh. Figured that'd happen.    Chimaera'll get out of the hole on the 2nd turn, although it won't actually do anything.      While Sophie tries to poison Chimaera again, I have Tyler use Gae Bolg; I don't think the fight will run long enough that his Force will be able to regenerate, and he doesn't have enough TP to use Spear Assist.  Realga will try to fix that. Amritas heal 50 TP, so Tyler'll be brought back up to full TP.  Stardust does the same thing, while Jackie'll use Supreme Bolt since her Force Boost is on its last turn. Unless I get supremely unlucky, it'll stun Chimaera and buy myself a free turn.      It's not as much damage as Spear Assist would've been, but it didn't cost any TP. Gae Bolg consumes the party's HP for an all-target untyped attack. Yes, untyped, not Stab. It's bugged.    And now the battle's basically over.  The power of a high-level Venom Curse plus the poison 2x food.  Yeah, this isn't going to take long. The only thing Chimaera can do is use Menacing Roar or Great Blaze, neither of which I'm that worried about.  Sophie's job is basically done. I had her cast Frailty Curse to give a little more damage to everyone.  Realga goes back to chucking jars.  Eschaton will deal more damage than anything else Stardust can do, and I'm reasonably confident the battle'll end soon.    If an enemy tries to use a skill that requires a bound body part, it'll just do nothing.     I love Venom Curse.  I have Sophie start tossing jars along with Realga. Her TEC's high enough that she'll deal about the same damage as Realga.  Chimaera's not long for life, anyway. It can use Double Strike now, but that's not going to save it.   Or it could waste the only turn it could've done something.      Conditional drop get! Don't expect this for the later bosses, though. SYSTEM: Well done! You have defeated the loathsome Chimaera! A sense of accomplishment wells up within you, as a beast's howl reaches you from far away. The howl nags at you... It seems familiar somehow. If you can remember what it is, you can try returning to the place where it emanated.   SYSTEM: There was a lonely beast with pleading eyes here before...  SYSTEM: He seems to sense that his longtime enemy has been defeated, and wears a peaceful expression. SYSTEM: Wulfgar barks quietly in thanks, and paws his collar as if offering it as a gift.   SYSTEM: And with that, Wulfgar breathes his last. The peace on Wulfgar's face makes you want to believe that you were able to satisfy him. SYSTEM: You offer a silent prayer. You spend some time burning into your hearts the fact that the guild called Beowulf truly left their mark on this world.    And we are done with the 1st Stratum. We'll be coming back for some other stuff later on, but as far as the story is concerned, we're finished with it.      Auburn Thicket might not have the most interesting of environment designs, but I really like the choice of colors in it, especially with regards to how far-away elements fade into fog.   SYSTEM: A violet light rises from the center of the room, surrounded by poles. As you wonder what it might be, you sense a presence behind you and turn to face it.  SYSTEM: You find a woman with flowing black hair standing behind you. Her large eyes, which are reminiscent of a mischevious animal, gaze upon you. SYSTEM: The woman, who must have been observing you, switches her gaze to the pillar of light.  SYSTEM: Having said that, the woman walks closer to the Geomagnetic Pole and raises her hand to the light.   SYSTEM: She must have used the Geomagnetic Pole to return to town. You may try using the Geomagnetic Pole as she did, or continue your journey deeper into the Labyrinth.  As the woman said, Geomagnetic Poles are very useful. They're basically checkpoints that show up at the start of every stratum, and allow you to jump to and from town, as well as save. I personally haven't used the save function much, but it's there.  In any case, we head back to town to turn in the mission.     A tidy sum.  And level ups across the board...which I forgot to actually use for the rest of the update. Oh well. Since we reached a new floor, Dubois has new Talk dialogue:   Marion's 6F dialogue:  I don't check up on the bar patrons or the new quests yet. I do Talk to Cass, though.  Onto Regina.  And over to Sitoth Trading to offload Chimaera's drops and Talk to Abigail.  Kagenui is unlocked by selling the Brute Tail. It's a really nice upgrade from the last bow we got, a few floors ago.  Zamiel Bow is unlocked by selling the Poison Wing. I feel obligated to note that all boss conditionals in the original EO2 sold for 30,000en. Here, it only sold for 780 en. Not only was the Poison Wing much harder to get than it was in EO2, it's worth a measly 2.6% of what it was.  The Zamiel Bow is basically the ultimate bow. It's intended to be bought in the postgame. As such, it costs an amount appropriate for when you can grind several tens of thousands of ental easily. Basically, Atlus nerfed conditional boss drops in almost every single possible way. This is why I said it wasn't really worth getting the Poison Wing aside from not having to do it later.  The Kagenui is obviously a much smaller upgrade compared to the Zamiel Bow, but it's still nice. I'll buy it for Nadia if she gets put in the party.   And to close out the update, we check in on Hanna and Quona.  Rea fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Jun 13, 2016 |
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Now that's a proper dunking.
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If you don't start jamming out to Reach Out for the Truth at some point I shall be very disappointed 
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Nov 30, 2015 21:59
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theshim posted:If you don't start jamming out to Reach Out for the Truth at some point I shall be very disappointed Well, obviously that's Insight Melody, no?
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And now that we've reached a new Stratum, it's also time for a new party! 3 votes per person, much like the last few votes. TVIR ZR CBJRE Damage dealers Defense Supports
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Nov 30, 2015 23:49
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Let's get the rest of the party involved. Colette, Milly, and I'll vote for Zack again.
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Nov 30, 2015 23:55
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... really. Really?  Enatre, Freyja, Nadia.
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Supremezero posted:... really. Yes, and Wiping All Out is Barbaric March. What, not a fan of Persona battle themes? Colette, Nadia, Sophie.
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