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Grundulum: Feb 28, 2006

FlamingLiberal posted:

Remember that the FEC has outright stated they are not going to be able to actually do anything right now about campaign finance violations since they are deadlocked between Dems and Republicans.

Source please?

# ? Nov 30, 2015 06:27

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Sir Kodiak: May 14, 2007

Grundulum posted:

Source please?

The New York Times: F.E.C. Can�t Curb 2016 Election Abuse, Commission Chief Says

quote:

The leader of the Federal Election Commission, the agency charged with regulating the way political money is raised and spent, says she has largely given up hope of reining in abuses in the 2016 presidential campaign, which could generate a record $10 billion in spending.

�The likelihood of the laws being enforced is slim,� Ann M. Ravel, the chairwoman, said in an interview. �I never want to give up, but I�m not under any illusions. People think the F.E.C. is dysfunctional. It�s worse than dysfunctional.�

That said, there's may still a limit to the outright unlawful activity campaigns are willing to engage in.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 06:30

ComradeCosmobot: Dec 4, 2004; USPOL July

More bits and pieces from the Planned Parenthood shooting that came out today:

The two civilians were identified today. Both were accompanying someone else to the clinic.

Police believe we're better off not knowing why this man shot up the clinic.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 06:37

Iowa Snow King: Jan 5, 2008

My local news just literally said "When police arrested Dear he said, 'No more baby parts', as well as mentioning President Obama. No motive has yet been determined."

# ? Nov 30, 2015 06:41

Hollismason: Jun 30, 2007; FEEL FREE TO DISREGARD THIS POST

It is guaranteed to be lazy, ignorant, and/or uninformed.

ComradeCosmobot posted:

More bits and pieces from the Planned Parenthood shooting that came out today:

The two civilians were identified today. Both were accompanying someone else to the clinic.

Police believe we're better off not knowing why this man shot up the clinic.

That last one makes sense for Colorado Springs.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 06:41

Munkeymon: Aug 14, 2003; Motherfucker's got an
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ComradeCosmobot posted:

Police believe we're better off not knowing why this man shot up the clinic.

Well the DA's going to have to present one during trial.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 06:54

happyhippy: Feb 21, 2005; Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup; Pillbug

ComradeCosmobot posted:

Police believe we're better off not knowing why this man shot up the clinic.

Oh, NOW they don't want to tell anyone why a nut shot up the place.
I wonder why.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 06:55

Mr Interweb: Aug 25, 2004

ComradeCosmobot posted:

Police believe we're better off not knowing why this man shot up the clinic.

What the gently caress? :psyduck:

Is this a thing that's ever happened?

Mr Interweb fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Nov 30, 2015

# ? Nov 30, 2015 07:02

Sir Kodiak: May 14, 2007

Munkeymon posted:

Well the DA's going to have to present one during trial.

They won't have to. There'd seem to be plenty of evidence of intention ��to support a first-degree murder charge�� without having to address motive. Nor will it necessarily go to trial, though it's not clear what the DA could offer to get a plea. While Colorado is a death penalty state, and conceivably there could be a plea down to life without parole, murdering a cop might make even that reduction in penalty unpalatable.

An insanity defense would, of course, bring it all out.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 07:04

logikv9: Mar 5, 2009; Ham Wrangler

Tide goes in, tide goes out. A man shoots up a Planned Parenthood. Never a miscommunication. You can't explain that.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 07:12

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Sir Kodiak posted:

The New York Times: F.E.C. Can�t Curb 2016 Election Abuse, Commission Chief Says

That said, there's may still a limit to the outright unlawful activity campaigns are willing to engage in.

quote:

�We�re not interested in going after people unless the law is fairly clear, and we�re not willing to take the law beyond where it�s written,� said Caroline C. Hunter, a Republican commissioner. Democrats view the law �more broadly,� she said.

So I suppose its possible. You know, if someone breaks laws live on Fox news and dares the FEC to come after them.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 07:25

Otherkinsey Scale: Jul 17, 2012; Just a little bit of sunshine!

hobbesmaster posted:

So I suppose its possible. You know, if someone breaks laws live on Fox news and dares the FEC to come after them.

I can see Trump doing that.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 07:49

Built 4 Cuban Linux: Jul 15, 2007; i own america

I bet we'll see 'Real Americans Support Trump' as a slogan by the time we hit the primaries.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 08:01

Kilroy: Oct 1, 2000

icantfindaname posted:

if Cruz gets it i don't think there will be any room to run 3rd party for Trump.

I think you mean there won't be any room to run Cruz as a Republican.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 08:04

Fried Chicken: Jan 9, 2011; Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Luigi Thirty posted:

Someone looked up his voter registration and it says female. That's the only reference I can find to that. It could be a clerical error for all anyone knows.

Let's clarify here. The voter registration said UAF, which means unaffiliated but they are choosing to claim means United Against Fascism. This would be the "left wing activist" part.

The "transgender/identifies as female" part comes not from the voter Id or drivers license, but from a geneology website that pulls from Colorado public records and has a disclaimer about accuracy.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 08:27

Fried Chicken: Jan 9, 2011; Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Cythereal posted:

Usurpation of Hawaii? Annexation of Texas?

Pretty sure we ended up fighting the rebels in that one

# ? Nov 30, 2015 08:33

Homura and Sickle: Apr 21, 2013

Mr Interweb posted:

What the gently caress?

Is this a thing that's ever happened?

Sealing warrants esp in high profile cases like this is not uncommon (DA in Arapahoe moved to seal the warrants related to the Batman shooter as well) and not publicly speculating on motive is pretty common as well. The former because an unarrested accomplice could get notice and destroy evidence before the warrant is executed, the latter to have an untainted jury pool as possible/covering rear end for possible misconduct allegations/not say something that will come and bite them in the rear end later PR-wise (like when they said the motive for that guy murdering 3 Muslims was a parking dispute, did not work out well). But it's understandable why to view this with suspicion

# ? Nov 30, 2015 08:34

boner confessor: Apr 25, 2013; by R. Guyovich

it's important to remember that people are naturally curious and hungry for information in the wake of a politicized tragedy like the recent PP shooting, and we're all trained now to expect piping hot info on demand because of the internet and 24/7 media cycle. but our criminal justice system moves at a slower pace, and this is a Good Thing, so let's not just off the cuff assume that the Colorado Springs PD is trying to cover for a right wing terrorist due to investigative procedure

# ? Nov 30, 2015 09:10

Dick Milhous Rock!: Aug 9, 1974

Honestly it'd be nice if they just stopped commenting or speculation on motives and advertising the shooter's identity and motivation for most mass shootings. Everyone, police and media. But this has probably more to do along what Jagchosis said instead of any change in how Americans deal with mass shooters.

Maybe next week, when the next one happens?

# ? Nov 30, 2015 09:28

Mr Interweb: Aug 25, 2004

Jagchosis posted:

Sealing warrants esp in high profile cases like this is not uncommon (DA in Arapahoe moved to seal the warrants related to the Batman shooter as well) and not publicly speculating on motive is pretty common as well. The former because an unarrested accomplice could get notice and destroy evidence before the warrant is executed, the latter to have an untainted jury pool as possible/covering rear end for possible misconduct allegations/not say something that will come and bite them in the rear end later PR-wise (like when they said the motive for that guy murdering 3 Muslims was a parking dispute, did not work out well). But it's understandable why to view this with suspicion

Oh so it's basically standard procedure?

# ? Nov 30, 2015 10:55

Homura and Sickle: Apr 21, 2013

Mr Interweb posted:

Oh so it's basically standard procedure?

Yeah pretty much. Hell they didn't even decide on a motive for the Sandy Hook shooter after a year or two of investigation (though I personally felt it wasn't that hard to reckon from the evidence collected)

# ? Nov 30, 2015 10:59

RPZip: Feb 6, 2009; WORDS IN THE HEART
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The Iron Rose posted:

Funding the Muj actually went pretty well for us. There's this whole myth about how we (read: the ISI) really ended up supplying Bin Laden and the Taliban, but that's not really born out in truth.

Do you have a good source I could use to read up on this?

# ? Nov 30, 2015 11:45

FetusSlapper: Jan 6, 2005; by exmarx

RPZip posted:

Do you have a good source I could use to read up on this?

Its the plot of the movie "Charlie Wilson's War" I think.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 11:49

RPZip: Feb 6, 2009; WORDS IN THE HEART
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FetusSlapper posted:

Its the plot of the movie "Charlie Wilson's War" I think.

I remember reading the book version of Charlie Wilson's War a few years ago and I remember it having mostly the opposite set of conclusions (namely, that the ISI did end up using our weapons to arm the Taliban/bin Laden), which is why I wanted to ask.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 12:20

Teriyaki Koinku: Nov 25, 2008; Bread! Bread! Bread!

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Taeke posted:

The president could declare themself a MLP fan

The horror.

Boon posted:

I don't know guys, I think I might just read the first half of Romance of the Three Kingdoms for something completely off the grid. It might prove to taxing in which case I'll give Dead Elephants a shot (and probably buy The Divide at the same time).

Thanks for the suggestions!

Abridged or complete? Because, while a great read, it, uh, has some unsavory anachronistic values...

From what I remember, Liu Bei's army is down on rations at one point and they happen to visit a man and his wife in the countryside. Man immediately goes off to kill his wife then cuts and cooks her up to serve the generals, who on their part praise the man for his display of virtue and dedication to his betters. :stare:

My all time favorite part of RotTK though is when Zhuge Liang, upon seeing a vastly superior enemy army approaching the gates, sits himself at the front alone playing the zither (a Classical Chinese instrument), forcing the enemy to retreat in fear because they figure how could an enemy strategist be so calm and collected as to play an instrument in front of them unless they were confident in their numbers?

Later, when the enemy army decides to finally approach again, Zhuge Liang, despite being literally on his deathbed, orders to have his body carted before the enemy army in a palanquin in an upright seated position to fool the enemy again into believing he has full confidence in his army's strength against theirs. The enemy army is spooked again and does not try to strike again. Zhuge Liang was a bad rear end strategist even after his death.

Well, that, or Guan Yu being praised by Cao Cao (the head of an enemy kingdom, taking over the old formal Han dynasty seat) for having such a marvelous beard and receiving a beard sheathe from the latter to protect said bad-rear end beard.

...I kind of love RotTK :swoon:

Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Nov 30, 2015

# ? Nov 30, 2015 12:21

Fried Chicken: Jan 9, 2011; Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

FetusSlapper posted:

Its the plot of the movie "Charlie Wilson's War" I think.

Philip Seymore Hoffman is fantastic in this btw. Also, great break from Tom Hanks being Mr Clean Cut Family Man in all his other roles to being a coked up whore mongering party man. Totally worth 2 hours of your time

# ? Nov 30, 2015 13:56

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

I give you, Forbes!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2015/11/29/bernie-sanders-is-almost-totally-a-creation-of-the-wealth-he-disdains/

quote:

Bernie Sanders Is Almost Totally A Creation Of The Wealth He Disdains

The end of World War II brought with it the end of the British Empire as it was previously known. While in 1945 a British passport rendered the owner of it a citizen of one quarter of the world�s land mass, within a few years the empire had shrunk quite a bit. India, the presumed �Jewel� in the Crown, was soon to be free thanks to the efforts of independence leaders like Mahatma Gandhi.

While he was uncomfortable with socialists whom he saw as �armchair� owing to their unwillingness to live in impoverished fashion, Gandhi sought an egalitarian India with ideas for the country that most today would view as socialist. As Larry Collins and Dominique LaPierre described his vision in their endlessly interesting book, Freedom at Midnight,

�All labour, physical or intellectual, would carry the same reward in Gandhi�s India. It was not a property qualification that would earn a man the right to vote in his state, but a labour qualification. To get it, everybody would have to contribute physical labour to the state. Nobody, including saints or sages, would be exempt. The ditch digger would get his almost automatically, but the lawyer or millionaire would have to earn his with calluses.�

A well-bred and educated lawyer himself, Gandhi strived to live as the �untouchables� of India did, including limiting his food intake to the bare minimum necessary to survive. Yet despite the leader�s pose, lost on Gandhi were the costs related to keeping him �poor.�

As one of his allies (Sarojini Naidu) relayed to Lord Mountbatten (the British official charged with overseeing India�s path to independence), Gandhi�s ability to travel on third class trains was a function of numerous Congress Party officials dressing up as �untouchables� in order to protect him. Though Gandhi lived in India�s slums, faux untouchables from the Party surrounded him in a protective cocoon there too. As Naidu put it to Mountbatten, �My dear Lord Louis, you will never know how much it has cost the Congress Party to keep that old man in poverty.�

Gandhi�s somewhat faux poverty came to mind amid a recent campaign stop for Bernie Sanders at Georgetown University. Full of the well-to-do and well educated, it�s no surprise that the Democratic presidential hopeful would find willing listeners at a school largely defined by a lack of want within its student body.

More broadly, it would be interesting to learn the educational attainments and income of the average Sanders partisan, or better yet, average Sanders donor. Odds are they don�t hail from the �working families� or �sick and poor� classes that Sanders claims to represent.

Instead, Sanders embodies the hopes and dreams of people like Livia Matteucci, a Georgetown student who is majoring in psychology. As USA Today reported about Matteucci, �she and other Georgetown students support ideas such as paid family leave and a higher minimum wage� energetically promoted by Sanders. How very fitting.

Figure Matteucci will graduate into the kinds of companies that already offer family leave, not to mention that her pay upon graduation will well exceed the �minimum� wages that her emotions tell her are good for others. The average Georgetown student most likely last earned the minimum wage in high school as a source of pocket money to supplement an upper middle class lifestyle funded by well-educated and well-employed parents; that, or someone from this demographic was well off enough to �toil� as an unpaid intern.

Those who will truly be affected by what�s popular among Sanders partisans are those who most likely have never heard of the Vermont senator. Many likely haven�t heard of Georgetown either, yet they�ll be victimized by the yearnings of those who matriculated to the elite and very expensive school.

It�s the very people who don�t have time to contemplate family leave and wage floors who will experience a more difficult hiring environment as a result of costly rules foisted on employers. The people who would pay for Sanders� unreason probably aren�t terribly aware of a socialist candidate who denies being a socialist, and they aren�t because they�re too busy working to care.

Sanders told his Georgetown audience �that we must create an economy that works for all, not just the very wealthy.� Why wouldn�t he say that at ritzy Georgetown? When you�re already wealthy, it�s easy to disdain the trappings of same.

Interesting about this is that to look at the Republicans vying for the GOP nomination, just about every single one (arguably to the detriment of every American worker, rich or poor) has called for erasing federal income taxes on the lowest earners, all the while maintaining the highest rates for those whom Sanders would deem rich. Sanders seeks even higher rates of taxation on the �rich.� What this should signal to the rest of us is that Republicans and Democrats are in a fight over who will tax the rich the most. More explicitly it tells us that both major political parties aren�t exactly seeking favor with the wealthy.

Sanders or his partisans might respond that what he�s really looking to do is end the bailout culture that reached full flower under a Republican in George W. Bush, and that continued under a Democrat in President Obama. If so, such a move would be a boon for the wealth creators.

We know this simply because the source of Silicon Valley�s wealth has been the constant failure that has long defined the world�s most innovative economic region. Imagine how much less well off the Valley would be today if former darlings like Webvan, Friendster and theglobe.com had been bailed out. Assuming the proper cessation of Wall Street bailouts, the result (a good one in this writer�s eyes) will be a great deal more wealth thanks to lousy stewards of capital being starved of it so that the best Wall Street firms and minds can receive it in abundance. Amen to that.

As has been already mentioned, Sanders wants �an economy that works for all, not just the very wealthy,� but as the yearnings of the world�s poor to live in the U.S. constantly remind us, the truly impoverished want nothing to do with Sanders� socialism. In truth, they�re actively trying to escape the collectivism that Sanders� espouses with an eye on the abundance wrought by a profit motive perfected in the United States.

"Why would future rich psychology majors want to vote for this man, who would raise taxes on them and enact policies that won't help them???" I love Forbes. I love Forbes a lot.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 14:04

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Luigi Thirty posted:

I give you, Forbes!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2015/11/29/bernie-sanders-is-almost-totally-a-creation-of-the-wealth-he-disdains/

"Why would future rich psychology majors want to vote for this man, who would raise taxes on them and enact policies that won't help them???" I love Forbes. I love Forbes a lot.

I am reading Forbes, therefor I am rich. I do not want to be taxed.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 15:03

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Gandhi was a fake rear end bitch, says Forbes columnist.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 15:04

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009

Luigi Thirty posted:

I give you, Forbes!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2015/11/29/bernie-sanders-is-almost-totally-a-creation-of-the-wealth-he-disdains/

"Why would future rich psychology majors want to vote for this man, who would raise taxes on them and enact policies that won't help them???" I love Forbes. I love Forbes a lot.

From what I understand; everybody in America is just a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. :v:

# ? Nov 30, 2015 15:05

Kilroy: Oct 1, 2000

His dislike of Gandhi translates directly to his take on Sander's supporters, as well. He can't imagine why anyone from a higher caste would want to help anyone from a lower one, or for that matter do away with a caste system altogether, since obviously they're doing alright by it.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 15:08

Teriyaki Koinku: Nov 25, 2008; Bread! Bread! Bread!

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Just heard about/saw Trump mocking the disabled reporter. :psyduck:

How crude can you be?

I guess it just goes to show how truly garbage a sizable portion of the American electorate really is.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 15:22

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Your Dunkle Sans posted:

Just heard about/saw Trump mocking the disabled reporter. How crude can you be?

I guess it just goes to show how truly garbage a sizable portion of the American electorate really is.

The descent into tyranny will be brought by the very people who claim to be defending us from it.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 15:30

Justus: Apr 18, 2006; ...

I saw that article yesterday, and I had a chuckle when I realized the breakdown was basically that Sanders, and virtually all successful Leftist politicians, are insufficiently pure as Leftists, according to Forbes. That's pretty loving funny. I'm a bit morbidly curious what he'd have to say about Jose Mujica, who came from having nothing and being a revolutionary freedom fighter and gives all the money he makes away.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 15:30

Swan Oat: Oct 9, 2012; I was selected for my skill.

Georgetown is a bad example to pick of an elite school nobody has heard of because of college basketball imo

# ? Nov 30, 2015 15:42

T. Bombastus: Feb 18, 2013

Your Dunkle Sans posted:

Just heard about/saw Trump mocking the disabled reporter. How crude can you be?

I guess it just goes to show how truly garbage a sizable portion of the American electorate really is.

Oh it's cool, Trump says he wasn't mocking that dude-- in fact, he says he has no idea who the reporter is! Now that two opposing versions of events exist, it's impossible to know which one is true; it's like nothing ever happened!

# ? Nov 30, 2015 15:44

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

T. Bombastus posted:

Oh it's cool, Trump says he wasn't mocking that dude-- in fact, he says he has no idea who the reporter is! Now that two opposing versions of events exist, it's impossible to know which one is true; it's like nothing ever happened!

We'll never know Trump's motive.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 15:45

Radbot: Aug 12, 2009; Can't post for 3 years!

Personally, I can't wait for the inevitable economic collapse that will be coming again. There's going to be a lot of old white folks on SSDI doing the old murder suicide dance.

# ? Nov 30, 2015 15:47

Islam is the Lite Rock FM: Jul 27, 2007; by exmarx

Radbot posted:

Personally, I can't wait for the inevitable economic collapse that will be coming again. There's going to be a lot of old white folks on SSDI doing the old murder suicide dance.

How many will be boomers singing We Built This City?

# ? Nov 30, 2015 15:48

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rkajdi: Sep 11, 2001; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Your Dunkle Sans posted:

Just heard about/saw Trump mocking the disabled reporter. How crude can you be?

I guess it just goes to show how truly garbage a sizable portion of the American electorate really is.

None of this should be surprising. Trump's just gone for a bit less dogwhistling than the standard candidate, and thus is getting huge support for "telling it like it is". A bunch of older WASPy losers are feeling left behind by society (they are, and it couldn't happen to a better group) and are acting out like spoiled children about it. I expect there to be more similar "populist" candidates in the future, and their level of restraint will diminish as they continue having less and less nation success.

Considering Trump was talking about camping some Muslims last week, the comments about this reporter are sort of chump change. He hasn't gotten to the point were he's talking about doing similar stuff to other unfavored minorities (like LGBT people, disabled people, or athiests) but I give him a few weeks until that comes up. With the comments about the PP killer being transgendered, I'm expecting that sooner rather than later.

rkajdi fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Nov 30, 2015

# ? Nov 30, 2015 15:50

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