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Accretionist posted:What's the most 'Cave Troll / No Human Contact' area in all IT? I used to think it was DBA until my last job. Now I'm thinking it's probably rack-monkey for Rackspace/Amazon/whomever. That's still my dream job. Get paid $35-50k to live in a data center and be called upon to move servers and occasionally push buttons.
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I'd love to be a rack monkey and install hardware and route cables all day, but I doubt there's any place that will let me do that without taking a massive pay cut.  Unrelated, here's another "Oh you quit? Well we still expect you to work for us." story: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/30/sysadmins_former_boss_claims_five_years_free_support_or_off_to_court/ Collateral Damage fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Nov 30, 2015 |
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Collateral Damage posted:I'd love to be a rack monkey and install hardware and route cables all day, but I doubt there's any place that will let me do that without taking a massive pay cut. Yeah, considering my current position, there's no way I'd be willing to take a pay cut and lose my pension to do that. I was thinking more along the lines of post-retirement job... but who knows what data centers will look like in 30 years. Also, I can't wait for the pendulum to swing the other way and for employers to be punished for not being tech-conscious/considerate. GnarlyCharlie4u fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Nov 30, 2015 |
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Nov 30, 2015 14:18
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Everything will be in the cloud so nobody will need IT people at all! 
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This was sent out by the owner over Thanksgiving. It's the end of a very, very long email about work ethic. I'm three months into this job and this pretty much ruined my weekend stressing out about it.The Boss posted:Penalties – We are going to define with everyone's help a list of infractions that will cost cold hard cash. For example the following things are unacceptable, put unnecessary strain on others, cost our company significant time and money, and will be penalized: There's not a lot of structure and zero paperwork in this company, and I only see this ending up as a clusterfuck.
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Nov 30, 2015 14:43
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What the gently caress.
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Nov 30, 2015 14:44
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That looks nice and illegal.
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Nov 30, 2015 14:49
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Zapf Dingbat posted:This was sent out by the owner over Thanksgiving. It's the end of a very, very long email about work ethic. I'm three months into this job and this pretty much ruined my weekend stressing out about it.
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Zapf Dingbat posted:This was sent out by the owner over Thanksgiving. It's the end of a very, very long email about work ethic. I'm three months into this job and this pretty much ruined my weekend stressing out about it. Dear employees; PLEASE SUE ME, I DON'T WANT MY MONEY OR MY COMPANY. sincerely Boss
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Nov 30, 2015 15:01
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Zapf Dingbat posted:This was sent out by the owner over Thanksgiving. It's the end of a very, very long email about work ethic. I'm three months into this job and this pretty much ruined my weekend stressing out about it. Someone learned management from running a wow guild. Minus 50 dkp! Too bad they don't realize punitive actions towards adults tend to cause a lot of bad will.
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I'm going to guess that the actual outcome is that things get a lot worse. On the plus side, for the low price of $25, you get to use filthy language in front of a customer. I'd be looking for a new job because your company is probably on a bad track. We talk poo poo about leadership a lot but if the owner is putting all of his energy into this insanity, he's not going to be taking care of other responsibilities. My guess is that there's something really bad happening with the finances or something, he doesn't know how to fix it, and has decided that lazy employees are the problem.
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Nov 30, 2015 15:09
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Yeah I'm wondering if I should look into the legality of the whole thing. This is my first IT job and I'm going to stick it out for a year total because of the experience and paying for certs and whatnot, but yeah it's bonkers here.
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Nov 30, 2015 15:10
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Zapf Dingbat posted:Yeah I'm wondering if I should look into the legality of the whole thing. I doubt it will actually go into effect. If it does, keep records of any penalties levied against you and then contact a lawyer. You could contact a lawyer first, but it might be a waste of time and money if someone slaps some sense into the owner.
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Zapf Dingbat posted:This was sent out by the owner over Thanksgiving. It's the end of a very, very long email about work ethic. I'm three months into this job and this pretty much ruined my weekend stressing out about it. If you are in the US none of that is legal. Fines and other employee deductions in pay are very serious and are protected by federal law. An email like this should be your hint to leave. If you are "fined" be sure to contact a lawyer because you will be guaranteed not only to get your money back, but also punitive money that could be pretty substantial.
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Nov 30, 2015 15:17
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If swearing at a customer only cost $25 I would've done it alot more often.
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Sickening posted:but also punitive money that could be pretty substantial. Pop culture may be saying it's "All about that bass", but when it comes to damages, "It's all about that treble."
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Best case scenario is you get fined by the company and get to sue them into oblivion, worst case scenario they drop the whole idea because it is retarded. Either way you win.
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Sheep posted:Best case scenario is you get fined by the company and get to sue them into oblivion, worst case scenario they drop the whole idea because it is retarded. In either case, keep your cards close to your chest. Just roll with it. I assume that even if you sign paperwork agreeing to this ridiculous plan it'll be be unenforceable.
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Nov 30, 2015 15:55
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Hahahaha holy poo poo that's the worst thing I've ever seen. Also he doesn't actually say what performance units do/are, just that they exist and are totally good for you.
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Nov 30, 2015 16:07
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It explains a lot that the owner of the company feels that attending a meeting is more important than being nice to customers.
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Zapf Dingbat posted:This was sent out by the owner over Thanksgiving. It's the end of a very, very long email about work ethic. I'm three months into this job and this pretty much ruined my weekend stressing out about it.
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Collateral Damage posted:I'd love to be a rack monkey and install hardware and route cables all day, but I doubt there's any place that will let me do that without taking a massive pay cut. I'm so happy someone else does this where I work. Like not even "another department", our racks come pre-cabled from the integrator so our datacenter team only has to handle the cross-connects between them. Edit: degreechat No degree, couple years of college that I dropped out of. Thankfully I apparently have other skills and managed to get a software dev job that I parlayed into another job where I learned to devops and now I'm in the bay area. luminalflux fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Nov 30, 2015 |
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Nov 30, 2015 16:54
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Kashuno posted:Hahahaha holy poo poo that's the worst thing I've ever seen. Also he doesn't actually say what performance units do/are, just that they exist and are totally good for you. It's stock in equity that gets diluted every time someone else does something good.
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Roargasm posted:It's stock in equity that gets diluted every time someone else does something good. I kinda had an inkling of that, but the way you phrased it is perfect.
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luminalflux posted:I'm so happy someone else does this where I work. Like not even "another department", our racks come pre-cabled from the integrator so our datacenter team only has to handle the cross-connects between them.
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Roargasm posted:It's stock in equity that gets diluted every time someone else does something good. Oh wow, the implications. We're having our weekly meeting on Wednesday, so maybe we'll get some clarification on this craziness. He's shooting from the hip all the time, although never to this degree. Y'all are right, it may not stick, especially after some people tell him how dumb it is and why didn't you talk to someone else about it after sending some weird emotional email. He ended the email talking about Christian values. Did I mention we're in the South? Our state probably has the least worker/employee protections in the country, so this is probably legal knowing us.
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Collateral Damage posted:Maybe I'm just growing really tired of doing nothing but sitting in front of a monitor all day, but I find the chance to get up from my desk, go to one of our DCs and do some physical work is quite refreshing. I actually enjoy racking stuff as long as I'm not doing it alone (or at least without equipment to hold up the stuff while I mount it to the rack) and I have proper length cables etc. EDIT: And as long as I have an actual maintenance window. A client at my old job has a gigabit switch sitting in their rack with nothing but power running to it because the "window" was only long enough for me to get the thing physically mounted (which involved unplugging almost everything from the old switch because it was such a mess.)
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Zapf Dingbat posted:Oh wow, the implications. It is federal, so no, you are protected.
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Roargasm posted:It's stock in equity that gets diluted every time someone else does something good.  Zapf Dingbat posted:He ended the email talking about Christian values. Is that even legal? I thought most places were pretty strict on no religion chat
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Kashuno posted:Is that even legal? I thought most places were pretty strict on no religion chat Look at Hobby Lobby, Christian Brothers, etc. *Speaking as someone in the US.
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I was always told that a person in power pushing their religion on others like that is a big no-no. Idk I'm not religious and have no idea about this stuff. although your examples make it clear I'm not really thinking that through.
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You'd have to talk to a lawyer to be sure. Maybe if you can argue that the religious stuff is so involved that you're facing religious discrimination you could make a case, but you'd probably need something like work meetings being held at church or getting marked off on your review for not attending service on Sunday. Again, only a lawyer in your state is going to have good answers for you. There's a legal thread on the forums somewhere, if you ask, you might get a tiny bit of guidance along with the recommendation to talk to a lawyer.
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Nah, the religion thing is the least of my worries. It's never been an issue. We're an ISP and VOIP provider with less than 20 employees servicing way more people than we can handle. That's what I'm worried about.
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Sheep posted:In my opinion IT is mostly a trade, much like plumbing. And similar to plumbing, I hire my plumbers based on whether they have the necessary credentials (not an unrelated 4-year degree), skills, and experience to do the job. The last thing I want to do is pay one plumber more than the other because he can wax philosophical about the impact of the Øresundstolden on post-liberation Sweden or what the hell ever and thus feels like he deserves more than the other guy with the exact same skill set. If he can't "demonstrate commitment to long term projects" or whatever a 4 year degree is supposed to represent then I'll just fire him and hire someone who can I'm with you here. I've been a hiring manager in IT for most of the last 20 years of my career and a degree has never mattered unless its something directly related to the job. TBH, most of my hiring hasn't been able what they're talking about here in the thread, about getting your foot in the door at tier 1, so a degree will help you get past HR roadblocks.
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Zapf Dingbat posted:This was sent out by the owner over Thanksgiving. It's the end of a very, very long email about work ethic. I'm three months into this job and this pretty much ruined my weekend stressing out about it. Everything listed there is 100% illegal.
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Kashuno posted:I was always told that a person in power pushing their religion on others like that is a big no-no. You can be as preachy as you want. When you start making HR decisions like hiring/firing/raises/bonuses based on how many Hail Mary's a given employee does, that's when you get into sue-pants-off territory. Of course, being America and thus at-will (it's 48/50 states okay, I'm comfortable just making the generalization), dude can probably get away with firing someone for not being Christian enough as long as his documented reasons are the standard nebulous bullshit or no reason at all. Difficult to fight if the employee doesn't have anything damning in writing, and often too expensive to fight even if they do.  Monetary penalties for prohibited behavior, on the other hand, laughably illegal.
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Zapf Dingbat posted:This was sent out by the owner over Thanksgiving. It's the end of a very, very long email about work ethic. I'm three months into this job and this pretty much ruined my weekend stressing out about it.  Welcome to IT where the work hours are made up and the points don't matter!
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So if I team up with two other guys, we can circle jerk our way to Company Points, which we redeem for cash, and then spend that cash blowing off meetings and swearing at customers? gently caress yeah sign me up
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:
That poo poo is nothing to do with IT, it has to do with being loving insane and illegal as all poo poo.
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I would not want to work there. If you call him out on it, he's going to not like you and from the sound of how he runs things make your life a living hell. If you let it go, that's some hosed up poo poo right there.
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