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NancyPants posted:In what scenarios would this happen? Does that mean that one side would intentionally withhold evidence to disprove someone's testimony? I don't know what you're going to say on the stand until you say it, so after you say "I saw his green hat through the window", I might tell my lawyer "I was wearing a red hat and the selfie I took 5 mins earlier will prove it!" That I was wearing a red hat isn't material until you testify otherwise, so why would I tell you about my selfie ahead of time?
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Inverse Icarus posted:To nail the rear end in a top hat that broke the law and tried to sue me under false pretenses. That rear end in a top hat is somebody's niece, damnit!!! Maybe my family is just dysfunctional, but I can't think of a circumstance where I'd keep talking to an extended family member who did something that terrible. Much less go out of my way to try and help them.
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Subjunctive posted:I don't know what you're going to say on the stand until you say it, so after you say "I saw his green hat through the window", I might tell my lawyer "I was wearing a red hat and the selfie I took 5 mins earlier will prove it!" That I was wearing a red hat isn't material until you testify otherwise, so why would I tell you about my selfie ahead of time? That makes sense. So if I have a video that shows you caused the accident, and you sue me for causing it, I withhold the video to later impeach your testimony since I already know you're going to lie on the stand? E: But why not submit that video in the first place so you can establish that you didn't do what you're being accused of, instead of having to go through all the other poo poo and wait for the plaintiff to hang herself? Does it make it that much easier to actually win the case? I'm having a hard time imagining other situations where withholding evidence would make sense/be anything approximating fair. Are there any? BonerGhost fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Dec 1, 2015 |
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Providing the evidence beforehand gives the lying accuser a chance to alter their lie. The Reddit thread goes over this in detail. Very few Reddit threads make me smile but that one did.
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NancyPants posted:But why not submit that video in the first place so you can establish that you didn't do what you're being accused of, instead of having to go through all the other poo poo and wait for the plaintiff to hang herself? Does it make it that much easier to actually win the case? It is fair as should could have decided under oath to tell the truth then the video evidence wouldn't be needed. So she was given more than one opportunity to come clean about this. For this reason it's easier to win the case as her intent to commit fraud is clearly established (it's a tough thing to prove). It also clearly undermines any statement she has made true or false. ^^^ not giving them a chance to alter the lie is also a good reason.
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Aaaaah I was confused about the timing of all this. Next time I will rtft.
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Reading further it seems like the sequence of events is.
Sounds like her civil suit hadn't even started, it all happened in a criminal trial against the other driver where she was used as a witness, but up until that point the dashcam was show she had run up $100,000 in false medical expenses and filed a false civil suit. There was never any discovery for her case because it never even got off the ground.
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Rudager posted:Reading further it seems like the sequence of events is. 
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Krispy Kareem posted:That rear end in a top hat is somebody's niece, damnit!!! Don't lend her your car, at least. More horrifying details from the comments. quote:The trial I mentioned my wife's niece testifying at was the other driver's criminal trial, not the civil trial for the lawsuit. So the trial was between the other driver and the prosecutor. I don't know what the rules are for sharing evidence in this. My wife's niece didn't have a lawyer or standing for this. She was a witness. My wife thinks that the prosecutor knew about the video and decided to let her testify anyway, but I myself doubt this. 
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Dec 1, 2015 03:00
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Sometimes this and the schadenfreude thread are neck to neck
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She deserves it, but I still feel bad for her.
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Moneyball posted:She deserves it, but I still feel bad for her. All she did was maximise spring break equity.
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This is the best story in a while.
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If her 'medical' bills have already been paid out for bogus injuries I bet there's a doctor whose about to get a call from some insurance company lawyers.
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Krispy Kareem posted:If her 'medical' bills have already been paid out for bogus injuries I bet there's a doctor whose about to get a call from some insurance company lawyers. 
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I want to picture some Law and Order moment DUN DUN where the video evidence is shown, the judge orders her under arrest, then she's led away in cuffs screaming. That's how it's done, right?
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Blinkman987 posted:I want to picture some Law and Order moment DUN DUN where the video evidence is shown, the judge orders her under arrest, then she's led away in cuffs screaming. That's how it's done, right? If the prosecutor is good buddies with the judge, maybe he can arrange this.
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VitalSigns posted:He lost it all on craps after that so I assume the casino had some rules about tables and minimums and stuff to get all the sweet VIP digs. Maybe he was exaggerating his winnings in poker, but I am entirely ready to believe the casino has a lady whose job it is to find people who brought a lot of money and get them to stay as long as it takes for the house advantage to come out on top in the law of averages. But I don't know anything about how casinos work: I hate gambling so if I'm dragged to the casino I bet the minimums on blackjack and order free drinks because at least blackjack is a kinda entertaining way to lose money and I like alcohol. Yeah that's not how Vegas works. Everything is run on reward systems where they scan a card tied to you and track your pay-in, table play and cash out. Tables actually have the worst rewards payouts due to the difficulty tracking versus slots. I can tell from first hand experience dropping 20k gambling won't do much because that would last an hour tops in the high limit room and outside there you don't get hand jobs.
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I just realized, even if she manages to avoid jail time and somehow manages to plead her restitution down to something she could reasonably pay, she's still hosed because her insurance rates will be absolutely ridiculous for the rest of her life
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That girl is a psychopath. All for a loving holiday!
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Suspicious Lump posted:That girl is a psychopath. All for a loving holiday! Which she presumably would have enjoyed from a wheelchair
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So wait, was the cop driving an unmarked home, hence the dash cam?
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Vahakyla posted:So wait, was the cop driving an unmarked home, hence the dash cam? You don't have a dash cam in your car in the day and age of 18 year olds trying to commit insurance fraud to pay for spring break trips?
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Vahakyla posted:So wait, was the cop driving an unmarked home, hence the dash cam? Difficult to say. Dash cams are becoming more common though. Either way that dash cam saved her career and a massive insurance claim. e: dash cam = GWM
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My coworker gives a pretty glowing review of the dash cam he got somewhat inexpensively for his car and his wife's car, and it makes me want to get one too after hearing him talking about it and seeing all those crazy Russian dash cam videos. But it also makes me think I need one for the front windshield and the rear glass because YOU NEVER KNOW what you'll catch if it only records out the front. Still, I'm assuming having one camera is better than no cameras... although now I might have to be slightly more careful about what I say aloud in the car when I'm otherwise alone. 
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Yeah that thread made me start looking at cameras. Will probably buy a pair after xmas. Christmas is BWM. Have budgeted comfortably for it but I still don't want to spend the drat money.
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I've has a dash cam for over a year and have never recorded anything remotely interesting other than some scary rain storms, but I know that if it ever captures an accident I'm involved in there's a 50/50 chance it will either exonerate me or convict me.
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flyboi posted:Yeah that's not how Vegas works. Everything is run on reward systems where they scan a card tied to you and track your pay-in, table play and cash out. Tables actually have the worst rewards payouts due to the difficulty tracking versus slots. I can tell from first hand experience dropping 20k gambling won't do much because that would last an hour tops in the high limit room and outside there you don't get hand jobs. I know nothing about how Vegas works, feel free to not believe my friend got comp'd poo poo and that the real story of how he lost that $20k student loan is even more embarrassing, if you want.
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VitalSigns posted:Okay okay, calm down Ayn Rand, this much excitement isn't good for you. Have a cigarette and just enjoy the stories hey? Just calling Devian666 and you out, that is all. Self-indulgent entitlement is not appealing...
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Yeah...I think it's about time I buy a dash cam too...
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I have an old Android phone that I use for a dash cam. $5 for the software, less than $20 for the mount. Granted, dedicated dash cam's do have some advantages, such as wider angle lenses and some have better night vision. Of course, since I had the dash cam breaking up its video in 5 minute increments, the one time I almost needed it (other car blew through a red light right in front of me) it was stopping one recording and starting the other.
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John Smith posted:Just calling Devian666 and you out, that is all. Self-indulgent entitlement is not appealing... I agree I don't like the baby boomer attitude either. Something that has been discussed a lot in local media is why the people coming out of high school move into trades where there is actual money and jobs with skill shortages. Yet people are still getting degrees and piles of student debt. These attitudes need to change throughout society. e: We're not used to high levels of homelessness in New Zealand but it's going to be a reality for the last of the baby boomers (they are by definition bad with money). http://www.interest.co.nz/property/78930/salvation-warns-falling-home-ownership-rate-will-see-renting-baby-boomers-struggling
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Dillbag posted:I know that if it ever captures an accident I'm involved in there's a 50/50 chance it will either exonerate me or convict me. Presumably you still have a right to not self-incriminate and don't have to turn over the footage?
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Dr. Eldarion posted:Presumably you still have a right to not self-incriminate and don't have to turn over the footage? I could be wrong, I'm not an attorney and I've never encountered this before, but that's my rough understanding.
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Dr. Eldarion posted:Presumably you still have a right to not self-incriminate and don't have to turn over the footage? You'd have to turn it over in discovery, assuming the other side isn't incompetent.
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I'm not a doctor or a lawyer but if you just sign this piece of paper we can begin the kidney transplant.
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Dr. Eldarion posted:Presumably you still have a right to not self-incriminate and don't have to turn over the footage? Civil, not sure. Criminal, definitely have to hand it over, at least in Canada. We had a guy up here not strap an exchange student into his hang glider properly and she fell hundreds of feet and died. He swallowed the memory card that was in his glider and was charged with obstruction of justice / destruction of evidence. http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/hang-glider-pilot-sentenced-to-5-months-in-jail-over-fatal-tandem-accident-in-b-c-1.1681084
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Given all the interest in dash cams, personally I use a G1W-C dash cam. It's about 40-50 bucks. It's caught the license plate of a van that bumped into the back of me then speed off. Nice thing is it uses a capacitor instead of a Li-ion, less risk leaving it in a hot car. No lost time between video segments either. There may be better options out now, but that was the recommended unit 1-2 years ago.
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We have a dashcam thread over in AI for those interested. The under $100 go-to camera these days in AI is the Mobius with a capacitor.
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Dr. Eldarion posted:Presumably you still have a right to not self-incriminate and don't have to turn over the footage? Turning over existing evidence isn't the same as giving testimony, and it's the latter that's covered by the Fifth.
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