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BetterToRuleInHell posted:NBC News also reported that Farook's brother may be one of the other suspects, which one would infer he is the third suspect currently being in jail. That's mostly because there would have been essentially zero backlash against anyone innocent if it was white right wing guys, to be fair.
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Bullfrog posted:The stupid-as-gently caress part about it is that everyone was saying the suspects were white because they appear to pass as white. But then once the name comes out, that all falls apart and now the right is crowing about the shooter being "Muslim, not white". Just goes to show how constructed the concept of race really is. I am sure that will escalate to a "deport all muslimes/middle east/Levant people" soon. i can see trump and cruz pushing for poo poo like that.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I am sure that will escalate to a "deport all muslimes/middle east/Levant people" soon. i can see trump and cruz pushing for poo poo like that. Trump already wants to put them in camps! 
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Trump already wants to put them in camps! thats just the Mexicans/anyone that speaks spanish.
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Joementum posted:CAIR is holding a press conference with a relative of one of the suspects at 11:30 ET / 8:30 PT. There is so many ways this could make things worse and so little room to do anything even marginally helpful with this. I hope they don't gently caress this up even more.
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My Imaginary GF posted:You wouldn't have terrorists working in the government in a Trump administration. How long into his term of office would it be before he passes a decree to ban Muslims from holding jobs in the government and civil service?
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Farook and his compatriots reportedly began firing without saying a word.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Did AP say where they got the name from? All I've heard is just that they have it. Police radio. Shimrra Jamaane posted:How long into his term of office would it be before he passes a decree to ban Muslims from holding jobs in the government and civil service? Not all muslims are terrorists, Shimrra.
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Yoshifan823 posted:Going Postal, by Mark Ames, I believe. I'm def gonna order that tonight. It's a very good book, and the points he makes are...actually pretty terrifying.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Did AP say where they got the name from? All I've heard is just that they have it. Turns out its from anonymous LEO source quote:
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Some elementary school kids were arrested for allegedly trying to blow up a school oh wait that's not good at all When I was a kid I fashioned a bomb out of a hollow ball of clay filled with sand and a scrunched-up paper towel for the wick. I asked one of the recess watchers if they could light it for me so I could blow up one of the portable school rooms and they took it away. 
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Why doesn't Obama issue an executive order creating a "no gun list" for terrorists? It would appear this shooting is Obama's fault for failing to prevent guns from falling into the hands of potential terrorists.
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Clearly they were all yelling Allah Akbar Muhammad Jihad then.
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Hollismason posted:The Republicans have a debate on the 15th. This absolutely will not be going away at all. I'm having a goonmeet just for it heh
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As if you couldn't stoke Islamophobia even hotter, Farook was "very quiet" and "flew under the radar", and recently returned from paternity leave. ( : If some normal unassuming Muslim can do this then they must all be evil!)EDIT: My Imaginary GF posted:Why doesn't Obama issue an executive order creating a "no gun list" for terrorists? As if that wouldn't get overturned by the courts within a month as violating that holiest of amendments, the 2nd Amendment.
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My Imaginary GF posted:
And that's mattered to Trump since when?
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ratbert90 posted:Clearly they were all yelling Allah Akbar Muhammad Jihad then. Actually, it's even more likely to draw analogies with Paris, because they also "calmly and quietly" executed their victims as well.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:As if you couldn't stoke Islamophobia even hotter, Farook was "very quiet" and "flew under the radar", and recently returned from paternity leave. ( Paternity leave, attending a training camp in Syria more likely!
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ComradeCosmobot posted:As if you couldn't stoke Islamophobia even hotter, Farook was "very quiet" and "flew under the radar", and recently returned from paternity leave. ( but don't alot of those fit the definition of most mass shooters.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:but don't alot of those fit the definition of most mass shooters. Of course. But that doesn't really matter to the media when the guy is a devout Muslim.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:As if you couldn't stoke Islamophobia even hotter, Farook was "very quiet" and "flew under the radar", and recently returned from paternity leave. ( Make them. Maybe if Obama had some balls and was willing to shoot from the hit rather than overthink everything, then there wouldn't be terrorists committing so many mass shootings in America.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Why doesn't Obama issue an executive order creating a "no gun list" for terrorists?
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ComradeCosmobot posted:As if you couldn't stoke Islamophobia even hotter, Farook was "very quiet" and "flew under the radar", and recently returned from paternity leave. ( Yet another reason why we shouldn't buy into that socialist "paid family leave" crap.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Actually, it's even more likely to draw analogies with Paris, because they also "calmly and quietly" executed their victims as well. I am pretty drat sure reading that the shooters in the theater were shouting Allah Ackbar and the like. Like 99% sure.
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Just a reminder that even before this, 57% of Americans and 83% of Republicans said that Muslims should be barred from the presidency. And 30% of Republicans think Islam should be outright banned. So yeah.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I am pretty drat sure reading that the shooters in the theater were shouting Allah Ackbar and the like. Like 99% sure. Yeah, that was pretty heavily reported.
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If it was a terrorist action, why did he choose to attack his own office party full of San Bernardino County bureaucrats? They could have gotten in the car and been at any of a dozen LA-area tourist spots in under two hours. Disneyland, for example. Had they done this last Friday at almost any mall, they would have killed scores more people and put the whole USA in a panic for a month. Conversely, if it was just a workplace thing, how did he get accomplices to join in? I doubt this will make any more sense tomorrow, but I'm hoping for at least a minimally coherent narrative.
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Senf posted:Yeah, that was pretty heavily reported. I am not sure if you are facetiously playing at something, because that is definitely not true.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:I am not sure if you are facetiously playing at something, because that is definitely not true. I don't know what I mean anymore. Today has been loving dumb.
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discoukulele posted:CAIR News Conference is starting up - http://abcnews.go.com/Live
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EvanSchenck posted:If it was a terrorist action, why did he choose to attack his own office party full of San Bernardino County bureaucrats? They could have gotten in the car and been at any of a dozen LA-area tourist spots in under two hours. Disneyland, for example. Had they done this last Friday at almost any mall, they would have killed scores more people and put the whole USA in a panic for a month. Conversely, if it was just a workplace thing, how did he get accomplices to join in? If this in fact doesn't have anything to do with his religion, a clear narrative is the last thing we're gonna have. What we're going to have is a brutal debate over whether Islam is inherently violent and are all Muslims dangerous.
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discoukulele posted:CAIR News Conference is starting up - http://abcnews.go.com/Live Feed is still live or has this not started.
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So how do you guys deal with Islamophobic friends, acquaintances (or even worse) family? I feel like we need to start pushing back HARD on people like that, even on the internet.EvanSchenck posted:If it was a terrorist action, why did he choose to attack his own office party full of San Bernardino County bureaucrats? They could have gotten in the car and been at any of a dozen LA-area tourist spots in under two hours. Disneyland, for example. Had they done this last Friday at almost any mall, they would have killed scores more people and put the whole USA in a panic for a month. Conversely, if it was just a workplace thing, how did he get accomplices to join in? The accomplices are easily the most confusing part about this. Maybe there's some personal vendetta which includes family? The fact that they were so well-armed is strange too, or maybe not since this is America.
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Bullfrog posted:So how do you guys deal with Islamophobic friends, acquaintances (or even worse) family? I feel like we need to start pushing back HARD on people like that, even on the internet. Honestly I don't think there's much you can do other than have them make Islamic friends. Challenging people traditionally only makes them cling to their opinions harder.
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Hollismason posted:Feed is still live or has this not started. hasn't started; sorry, I thought it was about to, but we're still waiting around.
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Bullfrog posted:So how do you guys deal with Islamophobic friends, acquaintances (or even worse) family? I feel like we need to start pushing back HARD on people like that, even on the internet.
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Bullfrog posted:So how do you guys deal with Islamophobic friends, acquaintances (or even worse) family? I feel like we need to start pushing back HARD on people like that, even on the internet. are you like, praying that this isn't islamic terror?
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