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Ha, the combo of Ludo + Magnetic Tears is quite fun. Especially when combined with Death's Touch. Just watch everything get sucked down the garbage disposal.
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Toxxupation posted:What are the tiers, anyways? Eve is not a worthless character. She's always had the advantage of proccing Whore of Babylon at 1 red heart, which means if you bump into the devil (and you should) you can have it on constantly. With the Razor blade you can even have two heart containers and reduce yourself to one for an even bigger damage boost for boss fights and such. Aside from that, this is such a moot discussion. Play with the characters you like, there's no right or wrong there.
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Dec 3, 2015 11:14
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Feel free to skip today's daily. It's tedious and uninteresting.
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Dec 3, 2015 14:17
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??? may not be the worst character, but he sure is the most boring designed . Nothing special, just a disadvantage.
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Dec 3, 2015 15:12
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I disagree. I like the leeway that you get for devil rooms.
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Dec 3, 2015 16:14
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How does anyone think Eve is a bad character? She has the whore of babylon to start, and now she gets the razor blade.
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Dec 3, 2015 16:30
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TheModernAmerican posted:How does anyone think Eve is a bad character? She has the whore of babylon to start, and now she gets the razor blade. She needs Whore of Babylon active to get to the same damage as Judas, with the same number of hearts, with 3 fewer coins and no Book of Belial. And even then her lower multiplier will mean that she will do less damage again the instant you pick up a +damage item.
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Dec 3, 2015 18:07
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Ariong posted:I disagree. I like the leeway that you get for devil rooms. yeah so you can find brimstone while you only have 3 hearts MrL_JaKiri posted:She needs Whore of Babylon active to get to the same damage as Judas, with the same number of hearts, with 3 fewer coins and no Book of Belial. And even then her lower multiplier will mean that she will do less damage again the instant you pick up a +damage item. FACT: eve does more damage than judas w/whore up. and also the damage penalty is gone when that is active!
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Dec 3, 2015 18:11
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I just rank them by how fun they are to play. Isaac is Maximum Fun. Azazel, Lilith, Eden, and Judas are Very Fun. Cain, Eve, Samson, and the Lost are Sometimes Fun. ??? and Lazarus are Not Very Fun. Magdalene and the Keeper are Hot Wet Nasty Trash.
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Dec 3, 2015 18:32
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Maw of the Void's ring can trigger contact damage effects like E. Coli. Fun!
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Dec 3, 2015 18:48
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Toadsmash posted:Maw of the Void's ring can trigger contact damage effects like E. Coli. Fun! It can also carry some tear effects, like Spoonbender. Maw of the Void is incredibly strong and good.
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Dec 3, 2015 18:54
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VineST posted:FACT: eve does more damage than judas w/whore up. and also the damage penalty is gone when that is active! Judas's damage multiplier is 1.35, compared to Eve's 1.0 even with Whore active (0.75 without it). The damage formula is: Mult*Base*SQRT(1 + 1.2*(bonuses)). The break even point - when Judas catches up to Eve - can be easily calculated (1.352*(1+1.2x) = (1+1.2*(x+1.5))) to be +0.99 damage. ie, get a +1 damage up and Judas does more damage. Before that, Judas does 4.725 and Eve does 5.86.
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Dec 3, 2015 19:00
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AntiPseudonym posted:So... has anyone else had invisible Guts' in their game? I've had it for about a week now, but I haven't heard anyone else talking about it so I don't know if it's just me. The ones that are more of a light red color show up fine, but every other guts has been invisible for some reason. Isn't that just a new type of champion? They go sort of predator-style invisible and if you kill them there's a high chance of a random rune dropping.
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Dec 3, 2015 19:10
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I don't see how saying Eve is worse than Judas is an argument for Eve being a bad character. Like, Isaac is better than Judas so clearly Judas is bad? Being a bit worse than one of the best characters doesn't make someone bad. LibbyM fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Dec 3, 2015 |
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Dec 3, 2015 19:41
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Eve's better than Judas because Eve is a lot faster, making it easier to dodge poo poo and actually get to spend her hearts on devil deals.
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Dec 3, 2015 19:47
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Eve is pretty fun now that Babylon is buffed from how it used to work, and she also gets the razor. Judas is just more fun because he has mega damage out the door, boosted further by Belial, increased Devil Deals, and has a bit of a fun risk with only one heart. Eve is sort of tainted because in flash Isaac she was just TERRIBLE for the longest time, and wasn't much better for Rebirth. With razor she's now someone I'll gladly play if the roulette option lands on her.
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Dec 3, 2015 19:57
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dorkasaurus_rex posted:Am I the only one who finds Cain to be the most OP? Obviously Isaac + D6 is good, but if you beat Greed mode, Cain starts off with the Paper Clip. You can really get some amazing runs going on pure luck with him. Greed mode with Cain to unlock starting paperclip?
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Dec 3, 2015 20:19
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Personal Tiers: S: Isaac (with D6) A: Azazel, Lilith, Samson B: Eden, Judas, Cain, Eve B-: The Lost (with Holy Mantle) C: Maggy, Second Life Lazarus D: ???, First Life Lazarus F: Keeper Although if it's straight up "am I going to be able to kill a mega boss in this run" the lost goes down to D because of the Hush fight.
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Dec 3, 2015 21:01
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What did the 20mb patch from last night do?
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Power of Pecota posted:Personal Tiers: Yeah this is what I would rank the characters at too, aside from Eden. I wouldn't rank Eden as anything because they run the gamut on any given play. Like I've said, I enjoy Keepers gimmick. But those starting stats are rough. I'd really like to rate him higher than blue baby or lazarus 1 but theres no way it can be done. Skaw fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Dec 3, 2015 |
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Dec 3, 2015 22:16
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I actually don't like Azazel too much. Yeah he's strong out of the gate, but his brimstone effect is short ranged and there's not much that affects it, although I recently discovered that My Reflection doubles his brimstone length at the cost of making it essentially the homing shot from gun in Fifth Element and it'll bend to keep targetting the initial endpoint. You can just get so much more crazy combos with Isaac, and that's a big part of why I play.
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Dec 3, 2015 22:26
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 Super bum is pretty sweet (I think he's behind me somewhere)
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Dec 3, 2015 22:41
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I'm annoyed by playing as Eve now because when I unlocked the Razor Blade for her it just... didn't give it to her. Now it SAYS she has it on the title screen, but she doesn't. 
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Dec 3, 2015 23:51
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Volt Catfish posted:What did the 20mb patch from last night do? I would also like to know this.
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Dec 3, 2015 23:54
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CJacobs posted:I'm annoyed by playing as Eve now because when I unlocked the Razor Blade for her it just... didn't give it to her. Now it SAYS she has it on the title screen, but she doesn't. Have you actually unlocked the razor blade regularly?
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Dec 3, 2015 23:59
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Lost with mantle is fun and mostly fair and but there is no way he is better than any non-keeper character. Put it like this: if you had your life on the line and had to get a 3 streak, would you really pick lost over maggy or laz?
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Dec 4, 2015 00:08
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Dec 4, 2015 00:08
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flatluigi posted:Have you actually unlocked the razor blade regularly? I have not, and that's such a dumb oversight that I bet that's the reason why.
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Dec 4, 2015 00:22
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Zo posted:Lost with mantle is fun and mostly fair and but there is no way he is better than any non-keeper character. Free devil deals, more likely to get them because of Holy Mantle, starts with flying. I only play the Lost nowadays (what with 1001% complete)
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Dec 4, 2015 00:23
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Free devil deals, more likely to get them because of Holy Mantle, starts with flying. I only play the Lost nowadays (what with 1001% complete) That just means lost is fun, which i mentioned already, and is totally divorced from being stronger or not.
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Dec 4, 2015 00:25
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I don't think Invader Zim has aged well so I'm afraid to watch it again, and I'll probably never read the new comic, but this is from it: There's a follow-up page as well but it's annoying to pull up and upload on my phone. You can find it on Reddit.
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Dec 4, 2015 01:31
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CJacobs posted:I have not, and that's such a dumb oversight that I bet that's the reason why. It is. It's like how Lilith lists that she starts with Cambion Conception, but she doesn't actually until you've unlocked it (unlike Box of Friends, which she does start with before you unlock it). Edit: Apparently Edmund is considering not interacting with the community anymore, which is probably a good thing since he's so bad at it. Of course he's painting everyone who disagrees with him as "toxic" and those who agree with him as "defending logic" so there's that... senrath fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Dec 4, 2015 |
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senrath posted:It is. It's like how Lilith lists that she starts with Cambion Conception, but she doesn't actually until you've unlocked it (unlike Box of Friends, which she does start with before you unlock it). Yes, and she doesn't actually start with an incubus, it's just a hardcoded part of her character. If you respawn as another character it will be gone.
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Why are the post-its all screwed up in this? It shows me as having completed stuff I clearly haven't. Like with Lilith I forgot I hadn't done boss rush with her and forgot that I still had to clear Chest as Keeper. But it shows them as done I don't know why.
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Dec 4, 2015 01:41
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The original save import function was really bugged (at least one person reported having completion marks for the Keeper as soon as they unlocked him). I don't know if they ever actually fixed it, to be honest.
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Kawalimus posted:Why are the post-its all screwed up in this? It shows me as having completed stuff I clearly haven't. Like with Lilith I forgot I hadn't done boss rush with her and forgot that I still had to clear Chest as Keeper. But it shows them as done I don't know why. If you used the Rebirth import option early on it screwed up the post-its pretty heavily because Nicalis sucks at coding. You can fix it by either importing again and losing everything you've unlocked since, or finding a save manager that apparently is a thing that exists now.
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senrath posted:The original save import function was really bugged (at least one person reported having completion marks for the Keeper as soon as they unlocked him). I don't know if they ever actually fixed it, to be honest. They fixed it like a day after release (if even that long) but you had to re-import your save because it couldn't get retroactively fixed, so people who kept playing a ton without reimporting are kinda hosed over
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I don't really mind redoing completion marks. It's just playing the game, and I was going to do that anyway. I am missing Dark Room with The Lost, but that's the only annoying one, and not that bad with Holy Mantle.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Judas's damage multiplier is 1.35, compared to Eve's 1.0 even with Whore active (0.75 without it). The damage formula is: If running those calculations every time you wonder something about DPS doesn't sound exciting, check out my webpage where you can click buttons and it tells you the answer i just realized that I never put in the thing where eve's multiplier goes up with whore active. just keep yourself as isaac to account for that. also it's missing afterbirth items and some of the rebirth items that were harder to calculate
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drat it, had a good thing going with the Daily with a bunch of dmg ups and tears ups, but going for a good time I played way too recklessly and got killed by a stray bullet in Flooded Caves. I consider myself a pretty good player, but the Daily challenges just hand my rear end to me for whatever reason.BJPaskoff posted:I don't really mind redoing completion marks. It's just playing the game, and I was going to do that anyway. I am missing Dark Room with The Lost, but that's the only annoying one, and not that bad with Holy Mantle. Same here. Aside from playing the Lost completion marks before Holy Mantle was available, I had a pretty good time completing them all over again. The Challenges page actually has the same problem, but it's surprisingly refreshing to play them again, too. Especially since I've done everything else.
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