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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Do you believe that the shooting in Charleston and Colorado were terrorism? Sure, yes
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Dec 4, 2015 20:52
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Remember when someone said if this was linked to ISIS, the country would lose it's God damned mind? Well this is what it looks like when the country is losing its God damned mind.
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Dec 4, 2015 20:52
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Hulk Krogan posted:What a coincidence that your standard for what constitutes radical Islamic terrorism is based on information which is completely unverifiable. According to TDD's own standards, we will never know if this was terrorism. But of course, that doesn't stop anyone from claiming mind reading powers.
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Dec 4, 2015 20:52
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OnTheMedia posted a response to today's events on twitter that nicely sums up this week: https://twitter.com/onthemedia/status/672845013882155008
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Dec 4, 2015 20:53
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FCKGW posted:Heard a report earlier that they released a statement basically saying "Wasn't us but good job guy!" More specifically they congratulated the "three lions" involved in the attack, when the manhunt was still ongoing and law enforcement had announced they thought there were three suspects. They didn't know poo poo about this or they would have known it was only two people (and they definitely wouldn't have accorded a woman "lion" status in any case).
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Dec 4, 2015 20:53
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Torlo Hans posted:Remember when someone said if this was linked to ISIS, the country would lose it's God damned mind? Well this is what it looks like when the country is losing its God damned mind. So far, mostly the same except the media rifles through people's stuff.
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Dec 4, 2015 20:53
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spacetoaster posted:Is this something that's happening? I haven't heard of any lynchings of muslims in the south, but maybe you could link something for us? The current environment in the U.S. has become very concerning, with the front runner of one of the two major political parties calling for identification, tracking, internment, closing of mosques and killing the family members of terrorists. Saying these things hasn't hurt him, it's bolstered his support. The current (and former!) administration is doing it's best to avoid more murders and assaults than have already happened, by not jumping to conclusions before the evidence is in.
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Dec 4, 2015 20:55
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Sure, yes Then why does it matter if it's "radical islamic" or not? Like that's the point. Saying "radical islamic terrorism" doesn't magically do anything, as we've explained to you a billion times, it's not as if the administration is not doing a good deal to combat terrorism being sponsored by ISIS. It's almost as if you don't /care/ about terrorists when they're not "islamic."
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Dec 4, 2015 20:55
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euphronius posted:Also that's incredibly racist. It's racist.... To categorize Islamic terrorism...as terrorism motivated by someone's islamic religious beliefs? Do I have that right
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Dec 4, 2015 20:55
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Torlo Hans posted:Well this is what it looks like when the country is losing its God damned mind. That is the whole point - people like Adam Lanza and this couple weren't just lashing out - they were intentionally trolling to create cultural dissonance. This is a more nuanced definition of terrorism than 'political/ideological violence', in my opinion
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Dec 4, 2015 20:56
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We're never going to get over 9/11 at this rate
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Dec 4, 2015 20:58
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Torlo Hans posted:Remember when someone said if this was linked to ISIS, the country would lose it's God damned mind? Well this is what it looks like when the country is losing its God damned mind. No, it's not. The Fort Hood shooter shot military personnel. The Boston bombers used explosives at a highly visible marathon. The country did not institute a ethnic cleansing or explode into uncontrollable civil unrest. The 'Press' is being itself when it's given unfettered access to instant reporting gratification and people (at the house) are acting they way they do when you let people embrace their morbid curiosity.
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Dec 4, 2015 20:58
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Sure, yes So then what about the pro life movement and right wing Christians.
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Dec 4, 2015 20:59
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mdemone posted:More specifically they congratulated the "three lions" involved in the attack, when the manhunt was still ongoing and law enforcement had announced they thought there were three suspects. Taqiya, bro.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:00
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euphronius posted:They were already married. Even agreeing with you for the most part (it's certainly flippant), why is this racist? I thought it was a religious motivation for Islamic suicide attackers. Unless it's just bullshit propaganda that's been going about for the past 30 years.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:03
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Torlo Hans posted:Remember when someone said if this was linked to ISIS, the country would lose it's God damned mind? Well this is what it looks like when the country is losing its God damned mind. But this isn't linked to ISIS 
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Dec 4, 2015 21:04
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TheDisreputableDog posted:It's racist.... To categorize Islamic terrorism...as terrorism motivated by someone's islamic religious beliefs? You reduced an incredibly complex and serious issue to a sophomoric slur.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:04
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Talmonis posted:Not really. The motivations for a crime on that scale are essential to prevention. For example; a Palestinian member of Hamas blowing up an Israeli patrol isn't insane or a mass-murderer, though they are defined as terrorists, as they are without a recognized state. State-sponsored terrorism is a very real thing that exists. Terrorism is in no way dependent on being carried out by a non state actor.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:04
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euphronius posted:You reduced an incredibly complex and serious issue to a sophomoric slur. Where's the racism?
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Dec 4, 2015 21:07
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Evil Fluffy posted:State-sponsored terrorism is a very real thing that exists. Terrorism is in no way dependent on being carried out by a non state actor. True, I had forgotten that. But I was under the impression that war on a nation without a state was considered terrorism by definiton as well.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:07
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Where's the racism? Are you doing that right wing troll thing where you don't understand what words mean.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:09
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euphronius posted:Are you doing that right wing troll thing where you don't understand what words mean. Yes, he is. Please stop responding to him. He isn't arguing in good faith.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:12
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euphronius posted:So then what about the pro life movement and right wing Christians. What about them? They're certainly not comparable to groups like AQ or ISIS if that's what you're saying.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:12
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euphronius posted:Are you doing that right wing troll thing where you don't understand what words mean. He might be somewhat genuine on this question. It was sophmoric and too simplistic, and likely insulting (to the deceased at least so meh?) but I don't see how it's racism either. As again, isn't a major Jihadi suicide attack motivation the virgins in heaven bit?
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Dec 4, 2015 21:12
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The state of the press is so bad that Fox News seems to be the only ones who can mock other outlets for pilfering through the suspect's apartment.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:13
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McDowell posted:That is the whole point - people like Adam Lanza and this couple weren't just lashing out - they were intentionally trolling to create cultural dissonance. This is a more nuanced definition of terrorism than 'political/ideological violence', in my opinion I think Adam Lanza was, to use a technical term, just batshit insane.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:13
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Talmonis posted:isn't a major Jihadi suicide attack motivation the virgins in heaven bit? I am not an expert, but I'm pretty sure that's vastly overblown compared to the alienation, lack of hope, etc usually behind radicalization. mcmagic posted:I think Adam Lanza was, to use a technical term, just batshit insane. Unlike this couple? Lanza just had a more American violent and insane ideology.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:15
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euphronius posted:Are you doing that right wing troll thing where you don't understand what words mean. I understand what racist means, I don't understand how my statements about a religious ideology are racist. Feel free to explain how what I said could only apply to people of a specific race. Of course, we both know you just hit the shiny red button without actually thinking it through, that's fine.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:15
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mcmagic posted:I think Adam Lanza was, to use a technical term, just batshit insane. Nah. Americans don't want to feel bad about themselves to realize there's little between themselves and that mass murderer within them. They just use mental illness to justify how "they're different from us". Also I like how people who didn't give a poo poo four months ago are now "serious people" with "important opinions".
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Dec 4, 2015 21:16
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Nah. Americans don't want to feel bad about themselves to realize there's little between themselves and that mass murderer within them. They just use mental illness to justify how "they're different from us". I refuse to believe that there is "a little" between an average american and someone who would slaughter 4 year olds.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:17
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mcmagic posted:I think Adam Lanza was, to use a technical term, just batshit insane. I disagree. He was a very antisocial member of the internet generation and I think he knew exactly what he was doing and the potential cultural effects.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:17
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mcmagic posted:I refuse to believe that there is "a little" between an average american and someone who would slaughter 4 year olds. consider how many americans proudly state their intentions to shoot 'burglars'
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Dec 4, 2015 21:18
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Popular Thug Drink posted:consider how many americans proudly state their intentions to shoot 'burglars' Buglers /= 4 year olds.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:19
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mcmagic posted:Buglers /= 4 year olds. Black kids grow up fast and are Big and Intimidating
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Dec 4, 2015 21:19
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Talmonis posted:He might be somewhat genuine on this question. It was sophmoric and too simplistic, and likely insulting (to the deceased at least so meh?) but I don't see how it's racism either. As again, isn't a major Jihadi suicide attack motivation the virgins in heaven bit? Talmonis posted:He might be somewhat genuine on this question. It was sophmoric and too simplistic, and likely insulting (to the deceased at least so meh?) but I don't see how it's racism either. As again, isn't a major Jihadi suicide attack motivation the virgins in heaven bit? I am not an expert in Islam but it's not virgins but Angels (or houri) and nor is the number in the Quaran. All Muslims who go to heaven are accompanied by angels.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:20
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Trabisnikof posted:I am not an expert, but I'm pretty sure that's vastly overblown compared to the alienation, lack of hope, etc usually behind radicalization. That's what I'm wondering, if it's just propaganda that's been going on for a very long time. Though lack of hope doesn't really make sense in the San Bernadino shooting. They have a newborn baby, a steady job, etc. Alienation I can see, but it's not like you see any of the other immigrant groups that get poo poo on (Latino's especially) commiting mass shootings. Radicalization of second generation people with promising lives and educations is really bewildering.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:20
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Popular Thug Drink posted:consider how many americans proudly state their intentions to shoot 'burglars' Anecdotal but last week a coworker said we should nuke the middle east and several people agreed. I know it could be posturing and all but I don't think so.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:20
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Talmonis posted:Radicalization of second generation people with promising lives and educations is really bewildering. His wife had emigrated fairly recently. Adam Lanza was just as sane as the 9/11 hijackers.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:21
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mcmagic posted:Buglers /= 4 year olds. and how many people think byron david smith did nothing wrong so long as you wantonly murder the right kind of people you're not mentally ill. it's almost like it's a rhetorical fig leaf to absolve blame or something
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Dec 4, 2015 21:21
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Talmonis posted:That's what I'm wondering, if it's just propaganda that's been going on for a very long time. Though lack of hope doesn't really make sense in the San Bernadino shooting. They have a newborn baby, a steady job, etc. Alienation I can see, but it's not like you see any of the other immigrant groups that get poo poo on (Latino's especially) commiting mass shootings. Radicalization of second generation people with promising lives and educations is really bewildering. Latin America is not currently being destroyed by American forces and allies.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:22
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