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Toshimo posted:I don't even get what you are arguing. I never condoned lovely office people, you are projecting massively
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Unzip and Attack posted:I think you should re-read the statement you quoted. No one is saying the alleged douchery of the murder victim in any way justifies the murder. What people are saying is that it establishes a potential motive for the killings. If you can't understand the difference there, then no one can help you. it's true, it's important that we really emphasize how high the heels were and how short the skirt was in order to establish the motive
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Yeah the post you quoted is condoning the murders. Did you cum yet?
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Dec 5, 2015 01:33
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Unzip and Attack posted:Yeah the post you quoted is condoning the murders. Did you cum yet? No, and you are disgusting
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Dec 5, 2015 01:34
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Nor is anyone actually arguing a point I saw read earlier: that the chances of being shot mean that freedom of speech should be restricted to avoid offending people. There shouldn't be a dispute in the first place, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. If you don't like what someone is saying stop listening. LGD posted:it's true, it's important that we really emphasize how high the heels were and how short the skirt was in order to establish what the motive here was She let me take her out to dinner so I'm owed. 
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Dec 5, 2015 01:34
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Hey hey hey, in my emails, Newsweed says "Are Republicans or Democrats responsible for San Bernadino?"
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SnakePlissken posted:Hey hey hey, in my emails, Newsweed says "Are Republicans or Democrats responsible for San Bernadino?" Facebook is the real culprit IMO.
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Dec 5, 2015 01:36
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Toshimo posted:I don't even get what you are arguing. We'll never know why Muslims kill people but it is clearly their problem and has nothing to do with the culture that encourages people to hate them. All these attacks happen in isolation and there is never a motive that implies that someone was wrong for having an opinion. All opinions and are equal and we should only hate the people who hate our freedoms. Who just so happen to be Muslim. Game, set, match.
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The question that I actually came here to ask, because I don't know about gun laws, is how these people got assault weapons and that much ammo in the first place?
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:No, and you are disgusting Keep tossing out accusations of tacit approval for mass murder. You'll get there.
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Mulva posted:There shouldn't be a dispute in the first place, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. If you don't like what someone is saying stop listening. Wow. That's so easy. Why did I not think of not listening to the dude yelling at me at my government job about how lovely ~my people~ were while everyone else just nodded along or looked away uncomfortably? Honestly, I'm p glad I'm a 18-35 white male right now so I don't have any problems, but man, it's pretty poo poo that people are just expected to sit there and take abuse non-stop from every angle and just lump it because how dare we tell people not to advocate hate speech.
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Unzip and Attack posted:Keep tossing out accusations of tacit approval for mass murder. You'll get there. Are you like, schizophrenic
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:The question that I actually came here to ask, because I don't know about gun laws, is how these people got assault weapons and that much ammo in the first place? Probably Arizona
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Dec 5, 2015 01:41
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:The question that I actually came here to ask, because I don't know about gun laws, is how these people got assault weapons and that much ammo in the first place? IIRC everything but the extended  MAGAZINES were 100% legal purchases in CA, with the MAGAZINES being straw purchased by someone else.
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Dec 5, 2015 01:41
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A Winner is Jew posted:IIRC everything but the extended So it's legal for someone to buy an apartment full of weapons and ammo for personal reasons and not be on any kind of list. Super
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:So it's legal for someone to buy an apartment full of weapons and ammo for personal reasons and not be on any kind of list. Super Yes, welcome to the US of A.  
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:The question that I actually came here to ask, because I don't know about gun laws, is how these people got assault weapons and that much ammo in the first place? Bought them online, although they haven't said if the killers bought the guns.
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Mulva posted:There shouldn't be a dispute in the first place, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. If you don't like what someone is saying stop listening. The problem is that this is also what the abortion protesters outside of Planned Parenthood are saying. And then they go back to sticking a big picture of a miscarriage in front of your face and call you a whore for considering Planned Parenthood. This absolutely should have been handled through HR, and it is unequivocally unacceptable to become radicalized as a result, but if you are going day to day being harassed for your religion and you CAN NEVER GET AWAY from it because the people at Starbucks, at the mall, at the DMV, at work all do the same thing, it is possible to comprehend why someone would become angry and bitter about it. If fewer people harassed other people and acted generally lovely about these things, there would be far less of a pervasive reason to become angry and bitter in the first place.
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Trabisnikof posted:Bought them online, although they haven't said if the killers bought the guns. Did the guns that they bought have any purpose besides killing people? I really wish there was a cheat sheet for gun types, because I don't really see or handle any here (they are more or less banned in my area)
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:Did the guns that they bought have any purpose besides killing people? I really wish there was a cheat sheet for gun types, because I don't really see or handle any here (they are more or less banned in my area) you can shoot targets with any gun, therefor all guns have a non-killing purpose
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Dec 5, 2015 01:47
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A Winner is Jew posted:Yes, welcome to the US of A.
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Trabisnikof posted:you can shoot targets with any gun, therefor all guns have a non-killing purpose Generally I'm against putting people on lists, but if my neighbor has that many guns I would really like someone higher up to like, know about it
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Dec 5, 2015 01:48
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Samurai Sanders posted:I wonder, if someone goes into a gun shop and says give me three rifles, four shotguns and two handguns, are they any more likely to be looked at by the FBI or whoever than if they go to nine different gun shops and buy one each? Remember that scene in the first terminator where he has a huge shopping list of guns and the guy selling them just says "ok"? Yeah, it works like that.
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Samurai Sanders posted:I wonder, if someone goes into a gun shop and says give me three rifles, four shotguns and two handguns, are they any more likely to be looked at by the FBI or whoever than if they go to nine different gun shops and buy one each? Neither, the federal government can't track gun ownership until a crime is committed: quote:There is no national database of guns. Not of who owns them, how many are sold annually or even how many exist.
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Toshimo posted:Wow. That's so easy. Why did I not think of not listening to the dude yelling at me at my government job about how lovely ~my people~ were while everyone else just nodded along or looked away uncomfortably? Doing the right thing sucks sometimes. ComradeCosmobot posted:The problem is that this is also what the abortion protesters outside of Planned Parenthood are saying. And then they go back to sticking a big picture of a miscarriage in front of your face and call you a whore for considering Planned Parenthood. And as much as I disagree with them, I agree that they should be allowed to be there as long as they are on public property. quote:This absolutely should have been handled through HR, and it is unequivocally unacceptable to become radicalized as a result, but if you are going day to day being harassed for your religion and you CAN NEVER GET AWAY from it because the people at Starbucks, at the mall, at the DMV, at work all do the same thing, it is possible to comprehend why someone would become angry and bitter about it. No, there is never a reason to radicalize and start killing people indiscriminately. It does a disservice to everyone who has affected change in non-violent means to say that violent extremists are just doing the same thing. Gynocentric Regime fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Dec 5, 2015 |
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:Generally I'm against putting people on lists, but if my neighbor has that many guns I would really like someone higher up to like, know about it also note the color and shape of the targets and no you're not allowed to ask for one of a white guy, people have tried
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Trabisnikof posted:Neither, the federal government can't track gun ownership until a crime is committed: what a beautiful world we live in
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:Generally I'm against putting people on lists, but if my neighbor has that many guns I would really like someone higher up to like, know about it The NRA will literally spend millions of dollars on your opponent if you're a politician and even hint about this, hth.
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:Did the guns that they bought have any purpose besides killing people? I really wish there was a cheat sheet for gun types, because I don't really see or handle any here (they are more or less banned in my area) The type of gun (once you get into the category of auto-loaders) is essentially a complete red herring. The deadliest shooting attack in U.S. history was carried out by one guy using handguns with small magazines. You also don't seem to know much about how people use firearms. Their attorney was somewhat impolitic but basically right- 4000 rounds of ammunition isn't actually an insane amount to own if you purchase in bulk to cut down on costs. If you go target shooting you'd be shocked at how many rounds a couple of people can burn through in an afternoon.
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LGD posted:The type of gun (once you get into the category of auto-loaders) is essentially a complete red herring. The deadliest shooting attack in U.S. history was carried out by one guy using handguns with small magazines. You're absolutely right, I have handled a gun exactly once in my life, which is why I was asking about it. The media made it sound like they had like insane amounts of weapons in their apartment, but since you actually shoot, is what they had or the types of guns they had in any way abnormal?
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:You're absolutely right, I have handled a gun exactly once in my life, which is why I was asking about it. The media made it sound like they had like insane amounts of weapons in their apartment, but since you actually shoot, is what they had or the types of guns they had in any way abnormal? They had more than average, but honestly nothing that's too suspicious. Again, welcome to the US of A.
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A Winner is Jew posted:They had more than average, but honestly nothing that's too suspicious. And they didn't have armor or anything...like, if someone went out and got guns, and then made a purchase of body armor some time later, that would be a deff red flag. But they didn't in this case :/
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:And they didn't have armor or anything...like, if someone went out and got guns, and then made a purchase of body armor some time later, that would be a deff red flag. But they didn't in this case :/ If by "red flag" you mean something illegal for the government to track, then yes.
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:You're absolutely right, I have handled a gun exactly once in my life, which is why I was asking about it. The media made it sound like they had like insane amounts of weapons in their apartment, but since you actually shoot, is what they had or the types of guns they had in any way abnormal? (I don't actually own any guns, I go shooting with friends like maybe once a year) And no, the types of guns they had were in no way abnormal. They had a handgun and a rifle each which is far from an arsenal and I would actually describe as below average for a gun owner (usually people have at least a .22 variant for plinking/a shotgun/a more traditional hunting rifle as well depending on their interests), and AR-style rifles are incredibly common and popular in the US for a variety of reasons (inexpensive, accurate, customizable, lightweight, familiar operation for those with military service). It turns out the features that make something a "good" gun are fairly universal, and everybody I know who shoots recreationally owns an AR (and I live in Portland, Oregon so most are not exactly right wing nutjobs). LGD fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Dec 5, 2015 |
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Trabisnikof posted:If by "red flag" you mean something illegal for the government to track, then yes. What's the point in making it illegal if you can't track if a gun was purchased as well?
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:And they didn't have armor or anything...like, if someone went out and got guns, and then made a purchase of body armor some time later, that would be a deff red flag. But they didn't in this case :/ Buying legal guns and/or buying body armor doesn't put you on a list in the US.
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Trabisnikof posted:If by "red flag" you mean something illegal for the government to track, then yes. Okay- the guns are legal, the magazines are not legal, and body armor would also be theoretically illegal
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:I guess it could be a combination terrorism/workplace violence, it's just weird that that much preparation would have gone into it. But then I remember killdozer This guy's wife was a recent immigrant - she might have convinced him to start planning something. 'If you insult my mother I might punch you in the mouth' meets 'stuff happens' Magical thinking is the real enemy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi-ItrJISQE The creator of the universe is so far removed from individual human 'honor' that you have to be insane to conflate the two.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Buying legal guns and/or buying body armor doesn't put you on a list in the US. Thankfully otherwise back to school shopping would be a huge pain in the rear end.
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