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Teflon Don posted:It's pretty clear the government has not been able to change their policies fast enough to deal with the changing strategies of terrorists. As evidenced by...
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The Onion does it again: http://www.theonion.com/article/will-be-end-trumps-campaign-says-increasingly-nerv-52002
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Dec 8, 2015 17:10
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Teflon Don posted:It's pretty clear the government has not been able to change their policies fast enough to deal with the changing strategies of terrorists. Are you going to ignore the wildly successful U.S. led military campaign against ISIS? http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-03/u-s-targets-islamic-state-s-baghdadi-as-special-forces-gear-up
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Dec 8, 2015 17:11
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:As evidenced by... The ability for terrorists in other countries to connect with citizens and radicalize them, as seen in France and California.
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Dec 8, 2015 17:13
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Teflon Don posted:The ability for terrorists in other countries to connect with citizens and radicalize them, as seen in France and California. I don't think you can really compare what was going on in Belgium (where the attackers were from) with what happened in California. But that does not really indicate a "wide-spread failure" by the intelligence communities writ large to adapt.
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Dec 8, 2015 17:14
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Teflon Don posted:The ability for terrorists in other countries to connect with citizens and radicalize them, as seen in France and California. I hear Putin and Obama are gonna each pilot a drone and bomb the gently caress out of isil targets. Then bro five.
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Dec 8, 2015 17:14
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Teflon Don posted:The ability for terrorists in other countries to connect with citizens and radicalize them, as seen in France and California. *checks scoreboard* US: like 6000 isis Isis: like 15 americans and another 100 frenchies.
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Dec 8, 2015 17:15
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Radbot posted:Do we have any evidence that this surveillance is effective, or that it does indeed need to be done to "run a nation of this size"? It's really good after the fact at identifying the networks that terrorists used. It's pretty bad at prevention. All in all it's a joke because it's like trying to find needles through the mass acquisition of haystacks.
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HootTheOwl posted:It's really good after the fact at identifying the networks that terrorists used. It's pretty bad at prevention. Especially if it's like the dude in California who decided the ISIS facebook page was good and his coworkers were dicks.
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Bip Roberts posted:*checks scoreboard* Yes and it's only cost us hundreds of millions of dollars to blow up some brown retards in the desert! We're winning terrorism!!!!
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Mitt Romney posted:Are you going to ignore the wildly successful U.S. led military campaign against ISIS? http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-03/u-s-targets-islamic-state-s-baghdadi-as-special-forces-gear-up  if you think acting as the SDF's airforce and sending in SAD/SOG or special forces guys is anywhere near enough to categorically defeat ISIL and eliminate the threat that radical islamist beliefs pose to the west and liberal democracy.I'm not advocating we send in ground troops by any means. But let's be realistic: we're playing Whack A Mole here and not much more. Which is all fine and good. The more members of ISIL we kill the better, but let's not pretend we're doing "winning" the war on terror by any means.
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THE BOMBINATRIX posted:Yes and it's only cost us hundreds of millions of dollars to blow up some brown retards in the desert! We're winning terrorism!!!! Hahaha you loving suck. Better than trillions to blow up and kill hundreds of thousands who didn't deserve it.
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Teflon Don posted:The ability for terrorists in other countries to connect with citizens and radicalize them, as seen in France and California. If you nuke Daesh anyone abroad with sympathies will lash out and get themselves killed - how is that for a strategy?
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THE BOMBINATRIX posted:Yes and it's only cost us hundreds of millions of dollars to blow up some brown retards in the desert! We're winning terrorism!!!! I forgot, we also totally gunned down the ISIS couple in the street, which was pretty rad.
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Teflon Don posted:The ability for terrorists in other countries to connect with citizens and radicalize them, as seen in France and California. this is a far more significant problem with right wing white supremacists and the like, except we pretend it isnt because first amendment
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Dec 8, 2015 17:21
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How much have we spent on bombing and shooting Afghanis, Iraqis, etc. and what sort of infrastructure improvements (education, power, whatever) could we have made in the same areas for that price?
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The Iron Rose posted:
What exactly is the threat ISIS poses to liberal democracy. Are they going to...what...send a few hundred thousand soldiers over here to occupy half a continent of 330 million people and convert us to their weird-rear end branc of Sunni Islam by the sword? Are they even going to exceed the American body count we inflicted on ourselves in a decade of pointles ground wars?
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Bip Roberts posted:*checks scoreboard* They don't have to kill a lot of people, they just have to inspire fear and make the administration take action, which so far they have accomplished quite well. This "no fly list" thing is a complete farce and shows how weak they are in this area.
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The Iron Rose posted:Which is all fine and good. The more members of ISIL we kill the better, but let's not pretend we're doing "winning" the war on terror by any means. Bu...bu...but "Mission Accomplished" 
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Quote of the morning, "Donald Trump is standing on the platform of hate. And I’m sorry to say that it’s a platform that the Republican Party built for him. Last week I came to the floor and said that that Republican Party is running on a platform of hate. Yesterday, Donald Trump provided the strongest evidence yet that this is true. Trump’s proposal to bar Muslims from entering this country is hateful, despicable and vile. We are a country founded on religious liberty, not a country that imposes religious tests. Trump’s statement is a slap in the face to the millions of peace-loving Muslims living here and to those who want to travel and live here. We welcome them all, and to them I say: Donald Trump is not America. Sadly, however, Donald Trump is the Republican Party. Because it’s not just Trump. Many of the leading candidates for the Republican nomination have said hateful things. Especially about Muslims. Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz proposed religious tests for refugees. You can’t condemn Trump when you want to impose a religious test on women and children fleeing death and persecution. Ben Carson has called Muslims “rabid dogs.” Chris Christie has said they should be tracked. Today, Donald Trump offered the only true statement he’s made in some time. Referring to some of his fellow Republican presidential candidates: “They have been condemning almost everything I say and then they come to my side.” That is disturbing, but true. Republican candidates condemn Trump’s remarks, and then adopt his racist policies as their own. Let’s not fool ourselves. This sort of racism has been prevalent in Republican politics for decades. Trump is just saying out loud what other Republicans merely suggest. Political leaders must condemn these hateful, un-American statements with their words and their actions. Silence only empowers the bigots." ~ Harry Reid
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Teflon Don posted:They don't have to kill a lot of people, they just have to inspire fear and make the administration take action, which so far they have accomplished quite well. This "no fly list" thing is a complete farce and shows how weak they are in this area. I'm confused what action the administration is taking because their hand was forced by ISIS.
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VitalSigns posted:What exactly is the threat ISIS poses to liberal democracy. Obviously, duh.
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Teflon Don posted:The ability for terrorists in other countries to connect with citizens and radicalize them, as seen in France and California. How do you let one shooting shake you to your core? 540% more people die every day from car accidents than died in that shooting. It's better for the US to not become debilitated in light of small terrorist attacks. I'd rather policy not be dictated by a couple wack-jobs. If you look at the facts ISIS is in very bad shape and we should stay the course.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Hahaha you loving suck. What are you even taking about? Are you assuming I was for the Iraq war you dim tool?
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What I am waiting for is how long until one of the bigger names says they won't support Trump if he wins.
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Joementum posted:Quote of the morning,  Oh Reid, you are a piece of work.
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Joementum posted:Quote of the morning,  I hope that gets some media attention.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:What I am waiting for is how long until one of the bigger names says they won't support Trump if he wins. And risk Trump calling them a bozo on twitter
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Like just how insecure are you guys that you think we need to literally need to round up every Muslim in this country and enact a religious test before we let them in? Like jesus mother of god you people are cowards.zoux posted:And risk Trump calling them a bozo on twitter Historically speaking, it was caused the rift within the Democratic party, re: George Wallace
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Cruz and Abbott are giving a presser in DC about Syrian refugees that I should be watching but there's only so much ignorant bigotry I can stand. Anyway:
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Like just how insecure are you guys that you think we need to literally need to round up every Muslim in this country and enact a religious test before we let them in? Like jesus mother of god you people are cowards. ISIS is so crafty that it's impossible for a two-year investigation to vet refugees, but they'll never think to lie if we ask them what religion they are.
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zoux posted:And risk Trump calling them a bozo on twitter Well, I mean George Wallace etc
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Mitt Romney posted:How do you let one shooting shake you to your core? 540% more people die every day from car accidents than died in that Except I never said that.
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VitalSigns posted:ISIS is so crafty that it's impossible for a two-year investigation to vet refugees, but they'll never think to lie if we ask them what religion they are. "We'll just know" - Jeb Bush I kept waiting for Bush to suggest checking for moles and dunking them in the river until drowned. Then again, they made it the US, so obviously they floated and are
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What''s even more hilarious is you're the same assholes who cling to the Second Amendment.
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usbombshell posted:John Fetterman chimes in: Who? And that statement is just about as puriile as what Trump said.
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zoux posted:
A lump of coal, as in she fired 30k people and couldn't handle the pressure required to really shine.
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Mitt Romney posted:
Sadly, my fear is that it'll be in the sense of "DEMOCRAT Reid uses Trump's beliefs to attack THE REPUBLICAN PARTY! (That's you!)".
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