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Joementum posted:Obama's proposal for it provides for an process to appeal the decision. That's nice and all, but can't one just be arbitrarily put on the list in the first place? hosed up, if true.
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computer parts posted:No Fly List should be public if it's not already. Let people be made aware when they're put on the list so they can contest it, though.
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Dec 10, 2015 00:47
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He seems competent to stand trial.
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Dec 10, 2015 00:48
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:That's all we need, some redneck using it as a bounty list. Gonna be pretty difficult for them to go a-huntin' with just a name.
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Dec 10, 2015 00:54
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fishmech posted:Gonna be pretty difficult for them to go a-huntin' with just a name.
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Dec 10, 2015 00:55
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fishmech posted:Gonna be pretty difficult for them to go a-huntin' with just a name. Yeah in the age of the internet, when has a name ever led anyone to a person.
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Dec 10, 2015 00:56
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fishmech posted:Gonna be pretty difficult for them to go a-huntin' with just a name. They'd just go terminator and scratch off everyone with that name.
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Dec 10, 2015 00:56
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If it's a majority GOP in House and Senate does that mean we will see a GOP president
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Dec 10, 2015 00:58
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botany posted:Yeah in the age of the internet, when has a name ever led anyone to a person. Ol shooty Jethro is sure going to be able to figure out which "Muhammed Arnold" is the right one, or even pick which one to kill out of the dozens that are out there. Get real, he'll get bored before he drives 50 miles.
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Dec 10, 2015 00:59
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LeoMarr posted:If it's a majority GOP in House and Senate does that mean we will see a GOP president Majority in the House in 2016 is basically guaranteed. I'd say the Senate is a coin flip at this point. It's a good map for the Democrats (the only state with a D incumbent that might be hard to hold is CO) and it will help that it's a Presidential year, but they need to pick up four seats to get to 50-50, or five to get to 51-49. Their best chances are in WI, IL, NH, and OH (probably in that order) where they've recruited good candidates. They've had less success recruiting in PA and FL where there are contentious primaries between a couple not-great options. Maaaaybe they get lucky in MO, but probably not. The rest of the map is not gonna happen. So there's a chance Hillary wins and still has a Republican Senate to deal with.
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Dec 10, 2015 01:06
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Christ Almighty this is a depressing as gently caress thread.
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Dec 10, 2015 01:08
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Is 60 rep senators impossible?
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Dec 10, 2015 01:08
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Joementum posted:Majority in the House in 2016 is basically guaranteed. I'd say the Senate is a coin flip at this point. It's a good map for the Democrats (the only state with a D incumbent that might be hard to hold is CO) and it will help that it's a Presidential year, but they need to pick up four seats to get to 50-50, or five to get to 51-49. So would you say that if Hillary wins 2016 that 2020 will be a landslide GOP win if she's
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Dec 10, 2015 01:10
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euphronius posted:Is 60 rep senators impossible? In order to get there they would need to win six of these ten: HI, WA, OR, CA, NV, CO, MD, NY, VT, CT And lose none of their current seats. So yeah, it's impossible.
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Dec 10, 2015 01:10
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euphronius posted:Is 60 rep senators impossible? Here's the map via Wikipedia:  dark color = incumbent (both sides), light color = retiring incumbent (both sides) The only Dem senators that are really vulnerable (like in a "Trump does a landslide" sort of scenario) are Colorado and maybe Nevada.
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Dec 10, 2015 01:11
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LeoMarr posted:So would you say that if Hillary wins 2016 that 2020 will be a landslide GOP win if she's
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Keep in mind that this is the 2018 Senate map.
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fishmech posted:Gonna be pretty difficult for them to go a-huntin' with just a name. You're kidding, right? They wouldn't even have to go that far for it to be a nightmare for anyone with a name that so much as vaguely resembled that of a suspect. Just imagine having to live in constant fear that some random rear end in a top hat's gonna give you a hard time. Maybe it'll happen with someone from work. Or maybe it'll happen out of the blue while you're out of state with your family. Maybe it's gonna be the car mechanic who just ran your credit card. Imagine the Reddit Boston Bomber ID fiasco, but like a billion times worse. Freepers would set up forums dedicated to outing and keeping tabs on these suspected enemies of America. They'd keep copies of the list on their smartphone, and run every new brown person they met against it. Think about it for more than like 3 seconds, dude.
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Dec 10, 2015 01:13
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Uhh, why does that map still list Sanders as an independent?
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Dec 10, 2015 01:19
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Artificer posted:Christ Almighty this is a depressing as gently caress thread. Drinking fixes it.
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Dec 10, 2015 01:19
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euphronius posted:Is 60 rep senators impossible? 60 Republican senators in 2016 election requires them grabbing 6 of the 10 Democrat incumbent seats while losing none of their own (or grabbing more while losing some of their own). That'll be really difficult because there's 7 solid democrat seats in the 10 up for election in the form of VT, WA, OR, CA, NY, CT and HI.
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Dec 10, 2015 01:20
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Joementum posted:They've had less success recruiting in PA and FL where there are contentious primaries between a couple not-great options. Maaaaybe they get lucky in MO, but probably not. The rest of the map is not gonna happen. Knowing the FL Democratic Party they're going to nominate some chucklefuck that'll lose to David Jolly. Grayson probably.
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Dec 10, 2015 01:21
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A Winner is Jew posted:Uhh, why does that map still list Sanders as an independent? Because it hasn't been updated in nearly three years.
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Dec 10, 2015 01:21
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DemeaninDemon posted:Drinking 
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Dec 10, 2015 01:21
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So with the Filibuster and veto we are safe from craziness. Good.
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Dec 10, 2015 01:23
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euphronius posted:So with the Filibuster and veto we are safe from craziness. Good. Democrats love grand bargains though. 
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Dec 10, 2015 01:24
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This article is hogwash in so far as it's main point, but it stood out to me because of one anecdote: Republicans fear Trump could jeopardize control of Congress quote:
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AlternateNu posted:Just popping in to tell everyone they should watch the new documentary on Netflix about the '68 Vidal/Buckley debates and the political landscape surrounding the GOP/Democratic conventions. It is fantastic (and depressing as hell considering this all happened 50 years ago). I was falling asleep and I figured I would check a few more threads. I barely finished reading this post before saying "oh gently caress!" and accidentally waking up my wife who said "wtf" and I said "the Gore Vidal thing is on Netflix!" and she fell back asleep. opened up a new tab for Netflix and searched and bam it is available here too. I love gore vidal and I had watched some previews about this documentary and am very happy to have stayed up way past my bedtime watching it. Anyone with an interest in movement conservatism needs to watch this documentary because it is about the battle lines being drawn in the late 60's Gore Vidal was a national treasure, his essays about the US should be read by anyone with any interest in US politics, and his novels should be read by anyone with an interest in literature. I'd recommend starting with Creation, (after watching the documentary, just so you can get an idea of how transcendent his writing ability was.) He was almost superhuman in his brilliance and way ahead of his time, for instance explicitly talking about dogwhistle racism years before there was even a word for it. Most importantly, he also had an absolutely amazing gift for pissing off right-wing poo poo heads. baw fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Dec 10, 2015 |
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Dec 10, 2015 01:30
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Party Plane Jones posted:You're close. holy gently caress so much irony in that sentence.
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Dec 10, 2015 01:36
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fishmech posted:Ol shooty Jethro is sure going to be able to figure out which "Muhammed Arnold" is the right one, or even pick which one to kill out of the dozens that are out there. Get real, he'll get bored before he drives 50 miles. The distance between Robert Dear's home in Hartsel, Colorado and Colorado Springs is 64 miles. These sorts of racist, murderous shitfucks should not be given a public list of US citizens that have been accused of terror ties without due process.
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Dec 10, 2015 01:39
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to be fair, i dont think this guy is crazy i think he's just so stupid and angry that he isn't able to communicate effectively
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Popular Thug Drink posted:to be fair, i dont think this guy is crazy So a Freeper?
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A Winner is Jew posted:Democrats love grand bargains though. pumpinglemma posted:So it wouldn't help for an insanity defense at all? (Genuine question - non-US citizen here.) euphronius posted:He seems competent to stand trial. quote:Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer (May 21, 1960 – November 28, 1994), also known as the Milwaukee Cannibal, was an American serial killer and sex offender, who committed the rape, murder, and dismemberment of seventeen men and boys between 1978 and 1991, with many of his later murders also involving necrophilia, cannibalism, and the permanent preservation of body parts—typically all or part of the skeletal structure. To get away with an insanity defense, you have to be crazier than Jeffrey Dahmer.
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baw posted:I was falling asleep and I figured I would check a few more threads. I barely finished reading this post before saying "oh gently caress!" and accidentally waking up my wife who said "wtf" and I said "the Gore Vidal thing is on Netflix!" and she fell back asleep. opened up a new tab for Netflix and searched and bam it is available here too. I love gore vidal and I had watched some previews about this documentary and am very happy to have stayed up way past my bedtime watching it. Anyone with an interest in movement conservatism needs to watch this documentary because it is about the battle lines being drawn in the late 60's Wow. I actually Gore Vidal was just some Democratic politician... Never knew he was such a fascinating guy. Thanks.
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Thump! posted:The distance between Robert Dear's home in Hartsel, Colorado and Colorado Springs is 64 miles. Maybe the issue is the lack of due process, and not the publicity of the list.
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Dec 10, 2015 01:44
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Popular Thug Drink posted:to be fair, i dont think this guy is crazy What are the chances he lists his influences?
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fade5 posted:Hillary despises Republicans though, and in the very off chance Sanders would be elected he wouldn't do a grand bargain. While this is true I'm worried about Chuck Schumer making one in the senate when he takes over for Reid and the dems take it back.
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computer parts posted:Maybe the issue is the lack of due process, and not the publicity of the list. There's a lot of problems with the list, but I don't see how making it public would do anything but make it worse.
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WE'LL NEVER KNOW WHY HE DID IT, WHAT A CRAZY LONE WOLF, AMIRIGHT PEOPLE?!
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