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computer parts posted:College students aren't the only youth, and even if they were it doesn't explain why they consistently vote during Presidential elections. They have up to this point but, a lot of the laws and voting regulations designed to suppress the college vote have just been put into place recently. It will be interesting to see if they affect the 2016 election.
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zoux posted:I saw a poll today that had 65% of Republicans, not Trump supporters, but all Republicans, supported his Muslim immigration ban. That is loving insane. Gonna enjoy Hillary grinding him into the dirt.
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fade5 posted:Trump is here to stay, and it is terrifying. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-09/bloomberg-politics-poll-trump-muslim-ban-proposal  quote:Bloomberg Politics Poll: Nearly Two-Thirds of Likely GOP Primary Voters Back Trump's Muslim Ban only 22% oppose 
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radical meme posted:They have up to this point but, a lot of the laws and voting regulations designed to suppress the college vote have just been put into place recently. It will be interesting to see if they affect the 2016 election. Which specific regulations are you thinking of? I've heard about these laws for at least 4 or 5 years now.
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So who thinks Trump is here to stay or will sink after voting begins? David Brooks had a car analogy the other day on PBS NewsHour, something along these lines: Everyone says they want a Ferrari. But when they go to the dealer that's not what they buy. Donald Trump "sounds" great in a goofy way, like "oh I want a Ferrari!", but when actual options are weighed when reality kicks in decisions will change quickly. My projection, probably not unique at all: Marco Rubio's ascent will begin and he will be the nominee.
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computer parts posted:Which specific regulations are you thinking of? I've heard about these laws for at least 4 or 5 years now. Here in NC they are reducing the voting hours to 800, it was 1500 last election. Because you know we have half as many people voting as last election so we should only need half the hours right?
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Dec 10, 2015 04:00
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fade5 posted:Trump is here to stay, and it is terrifying. Yeah but five months ago we were all just as certain he was a joke candidate who'd be gone by September.
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Dec 10, 2015 04:01
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Trump is the Ferrari of American politics.
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If anything it's going to increase his poll numbers even more. In fact he's going to crush it at the Debates because he'll bring it up and be like " Yeah, I'm trying to keep you safe, they're trying to appease the Liberal MEDIA" *HUGE APPLAUSE* *GRANNY PANTIES THROWN AT STAGE*
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zoux posted:Yeah but five months ago we were all just as certain he was a joke candidate who'd be gone by September. The perfect logical argument: You can't be disproven until it actually doesn't happen.
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fade5 posted:Trump is here to stay, and it is terrifying. I can't loving wait for the 2016 version of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLoqti0lzAw
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:So who thinks Trump is here to stay or will sink after voting begins? i don't see Rubio climbing, i think the likely winner here is Cruz. do you need an absolute majority of delegates at the convention to win or just a plurality? at this point i think Rubio's last best hope is for Trump and Cruz to split the anti-establishment vote and come out with a slim plurality
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icantfindaname posted:
If you don't get a majority then you get a brokered convention.
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fishmech posted:I don't see what that has to do with anything. You get that the hardcore types already are willing to shoot the Muslim guy in the areas (he's actually a mexican, but they don't know that) right? Making a list of people public to society without an actual court of law condemning them as an actual threat is a horrific breach of their privacy and opens them up to bullshit vigilantism by dumbshit right-wingers bent on killing anyone browner than a paper bag and if you can't see that as a problem then you should probably find a right-winger and suckstart their firearm. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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computer parts posted:If you don't get a majority then you get a brokered convention. IMO Cruz wins in that case. Sure they hate him personally, but he's better than Trump and if Rubio and Bush end up with a combined 25% of the vote per current polling I don't see any other option. People saying Rubio is going to float up in the polls any day now are delusional icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Dec 10, 2015 |
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I think this whole "anti-establishment, non-politician president" thing among Republicans is just a phase. I know people have been saying this since summer but there are early signs - look how far Carly Fiorina has fallen. She is not even at 3% anymore. She is among the ranks of Mike Huckabee and Rand Paul. And, thankfully, Ben Carson is slipping too. Ted Cruz and Rubio are ahead of him. Carson is not much of a threat to Trump anymore. So as I've been thinking for a looooong time, Trump must fall too. Yup...... any... minute now......
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:I think this whole "anti-establishment, non-politician president" thing among Republicans is just a phase. I know people have been saying this since summer but there are early signs - look how far Carly Fiorina has fallen. She is not even at 3% anymore. She is among the ranks of Mike Huckabee and Rand Paul. So you're the guy from the Onion article, Got it
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Thump! posted:Making a list of people public to society without an actual court of law condemning them as an actual threat is a horrific breach of their privacy and opens them up to bullshit vigilantism by dumbshit right-wingers bent on killing anyone browner than a paper bag and if you can't see that as a problem then you should probably find a right-winger and suckstart their firearm. No it really isn't a breach of their privacy, and also the dumbshit right wingers who really want to kill someone can already open a phone book and see the name "muhammed" as a conviction of Felony Being Muslim. Your whole thing requires people willing to kill for very little reason at all to somehow only want to kill people on one specific list. Like some sort of bonehead Lawful Evil D&D character gimmick. To say nothing of the fact that there's nothing stopping, say, some guy from /pol/ posting a list of names and claiming it's from the no fly list and your purported weirdly constrained murderdude going off based on that. fishmech fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Dec 10, 2015 |
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icantfindaname posted:So you're the guy from the Onion article, Got it What amazes me is that I've been extremely cynical about the Republican party over the years, but things seem out-of-wack because I've become "that guy" who doesn't believe the Republican party is THIS stupid (yet). I really did think Trump would drop out before Rick Perry.
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:I think this whole "anti-establishment, non-politician president" thing among Republicans is just a phase. I know people have been saying this since summer but there are early signs - look how far Carly Fiorina has fallen. She is not even at 3% anymore. She is among the ranks of Mike Huckabee and Rand Paul. Slipping isn't exactly the right word for Carson's numbers.
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zoux posted:Yeah but five months ago we were all just as certain he was a joke candidate who'd be gone by September. Hillary is not afraid of Trump, and she knows how to piss him off/needle him and make him look like an idiot. fade5 fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Dec 10, 2015 |
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fishmech posted:No it really isn't a breach of their privacy, and also the dumbshit right wingers who really want to kill someone can already open a phone book and see the name "muhammed" as a conviction of Felony Being Muslim. Your whole thing requires people willing to kill for very little reason at all to somehow only want to kill people on one specific list. Like some sort of bonehead Lawful Evil D&D character gimmick. Because shithead rightwingers wouldn't be motivated until they saw the "!!!NO FLIGHT TERRORIST LIST!!!!" put on public display and wouldn't maybe think some of those folk would need to be offed. It's not just being named Muhammed or any other vaguely Arabic or Islamic name, it's the virtue of being on the list and that list being made public that makes one a target. Vigilantism is wrong and dumb yo, and being put on a list like that without any sort of due process is a bad thing, especially if that list is made public to the very dumb and very active right wing in this country. edit: Goddammit I'm engaging Fishmech and his pedantry is gonna kill me 
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So if Trump doesn't win the primary somehow and runs an independent campaign, how many states would bar him from the ballot because of Sore Loser laws? Enough to matter?
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Thump! posted:Because shithead rightwingers wouldn't be motivated until they saw the "!!!NO FLIGHT TERRORIST LIST!!!!" put on public display and wouldn't maybe think some of those folk would need to be offed. It's not just being named Muhammed or any other vaguely Arabic or Islamic name, it's the virtue of being on the list and that list being made public that makes one a target. You're talking about people who went and murdered Hindus running 7/11 stores after 9/11 and expecting them to studiously wait until an official list came out before they murdered people. Also I don't think you quite get the range of names that are on the list, possibly because you've never had a family member with the same name as someone on the list. I have several family members with totally common names who end up flagging on there. And there's hundreds of thousands of names on there, with millions of matching people. It's not like there's 100 guys on the list and that's it dude. Putting out the list is the equivalent of when you open up the paper and the government had to issue a public notice to like ten thousand people in small font in the classifieds as a result of unclaimed property or whatever. It's so long and impenetrable that it doesn't matter. Interesting how you take "not being a scaredy cat who dreams about weirdly rules following murderers" as some sort of horrible crime!
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FAUXTON posted:I can't loving wait for the 2016 version of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLoqti0lzAw This is kinda scary. edit: ahahaha I just got to the part where she starts ranting about conspiracy theorists and how truthers/chemtrails/birthers are making people look bad because nobody will listen to the truth about Benghazi. On Terra Firma fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Dec 10, 2015 |
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:So who thinks Trump is here to stay or will sink after voting begins? David Brooks is an idiot and everyone that wanted a Ferrari would buy a Ferrari if they didn't cost a shitload. This is applicable to voting which is free because.......
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Slaan posted:So if Trump doesn't win the primary somehow and runs an independent campaign, how many states would bar him from the ballot because of Sore Loser laws? Enough to matter? Well if that happened it would be a guaranteed win for the Democrats anyways, so it's sort of moot Raskolnikov38 posted:David Brooks is an idiot and everyone that wanted a Ferrari would buy a Ferrari if they didn't cost a shitload. This is applicable to voting which is free because....... no no the American voting public deep down sees the wisdom of us Serious People and will come around in the end, just you wait icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Dec 10, 2015 |
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Slaan posted:So if Trump doesn't win the primary somehow and runs an independent campaign, how many states would bar him from the ballot because of Sore Loser laws? Enough to matter? Most states have a sore loser law of some sort on the books, but precedent from previous independent runs (LaRouche, David Duke, Gary Johnson, etc), most of them either do not enforce it or have ruled that it doesn't apply to presidential candidates.
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Trump as an independent only needs to get in the ballot in a few 2012 red states to completely demolish Republican chances to reach 270 electoral votes in 2016. Him biting out 1 to 5 percentage points from the Romney totals could flip multiple states to Democrats
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There's not going to be a brokered convention for the Republicans. It'd not be advantageous to tell the guy who's already said he'd run third party we'll give you X if you support someone else because any one Trump supports is going to be tainted by his rhetoric. What could you possibly offer Trump to support another candidate?
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Best case scenario for the Democrats is that Trump gets the Libertarian party nomination. They'll get ballot access in 45-49 states.
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On Terra Firma posted:This is kinda scary. I mean it's a tiny bit sad since it's just a big ol' drunk lady stomping around her trailer alone hollering into the Internet's gaping maw while she chainsmokes and glares at her TV. You almost feel bad for those people because you think they resent the hand they were dealt and for good reason, but then you realize these people are the ones trying to run BLM protesters down with their vans and poo poo and you realize that yeah, these people were dealt a kind of poo poo hand, but they have thought it's been a great hand all their lives and will sabotage everyone around them to prove it save for the fucker that dealt it to them to begin with. That said, that tantrum was after a Romney loss. Now imagine that rage dial cranked all the way up to the notch marked "Trump."
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:So who thinks Trump is here to stay or will sink after voting begins? Here at the Fried Chicken Election Team, we use data driven modeling to evaluate the outcomes of the race, and ignore the "insider" coverage of horse race pundits who push a narrative to for their campaign. Out top notch interns are paid $15 an hour, full benefits, and have access to only data, no spin, which is how we have been able to be ahead of the game every step of the way here. And I'll tell you this - noting in our models says Rubio will be the one to derail the Trump Train. HashtagEffSeeETee #FriedChickenElectionTeam #TrumpTrain
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FAUXTON posted:That said, that tantrum was after a Romney loss. Now imagine that rage dial cranked all the way up to the notch marked "Trump." But you never go full Trump 
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Actually, did Rubio even make it on the Virginia ballot? As of 1 pm today he hadn't submitted his signatures, and the deadline was 5 pm
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Chokes McGee posted:But you never go full Trump The secret is that there is no full trump. There will always be another trump notch past the one you're on.
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Fried Chicken posted:Actually, did Rubio even make it on the Virginia ballot? As of 1 pm today he hadn't submitted his signatures, and the deadline was 5 pm Looks like he made it just under the wire.
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Joementum posted:Best case scenario for the Democrats is that Trump gets the Libertarian party nomination. They'll get ballot access in 45-49 states. On what basis could anyone say Trump is a libertarian?
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Fried Chicken posted:Actually, did Rubio even make it on the Virginia ballot? As of 1 pm today he hadn't submitted his signatures, and the deadline was 5 pm The deadline is tomorrow at 5pm and the  s over at The Green Papers have him listed, so probably, yeah, he did.
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Fried Chicken posted:Actually, did Rubio even make it on the Virginia ballot? As of 1 pm today he hadn't submitted his signatures, and the deadline was 5 pm Yeah, he did. As of today, Gilmore, Huckabee, Santorum, and Pataki still have not.
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