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Wasabi the J posted:Btw is there a reason my awesome shower head makes a SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH the whole time it reaches optimal temp, but the lovely one is dead silent, but terrible at being a shower head? Makes the sound while reaching optimal temp then gets quiet, or does it make sound while at optimal temp? Either way it's probably the expansion of the metal and the geometry of the waterway.
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There goes my "your shower's accessory belt is just slipping" theory.
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Do you shower temperature complainers have access to the water heater? I always adjust mine where all the way hot and maybe some cold is a perfect shower, or at least it doesn't need to be set to boiling/max when somewhere in the middle works for almost any scenario. You're just paying to super heat water you don't need.
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galahan posted:Do you shower temperature complainers have access to the water heater? I always adjust mine where all the way hot and maybe some cold is a perfect shower, or at least it doesn't need to be set to boiling/max when somewhere in the middle works for almost any scenario. I do the same, because I have small children in the house and it's the safe thing to do in case your knucklehead children mess with the taps.
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galahan posted:Do you shower temperature complainers have access to the water heater? I always adjust mine where all the way hot and maybe some cold is a perfect shower, or at least it doesn't need to be set to boiling/max when somewhere in the middle works for almost any scenario. That remind me of my old apartment. It ran the hot water from the water heater through a coil unit in central HVAC system to heat the place. You had to choose whether you valued not melting your skin or not being freezing cold. Shifty Pony fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Dec 8, 2015 |
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Dec 8, 2015 23:28
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galahan posted:Do you shower temperature complainers have access to the water heater? I always adjust mine where all the way hot and maybe some cold is a perfect shower, or at least it doesn't need to be set to boiling/max when somewhere in the middle works for almost any scenario. The right way to do this is with a mixing valve. You want your water heater hot enough to kill listeria.
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Chemmy posted:The right way to do this is with a mixing valve. You want your water heater hot enough to kill listeria. But legionnaires disease sounds like a fun adventure!
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Chemmy posted:The right way to do this is with a mixing valve. You want your water heater hot enough to kill listeria. Yes, and in the setup for the mixing valve there is a set screw so you can't set it beyond hurt yourself temperature.
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Dec 9, 2015 00:15
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Chemmy posted:The right way to do this is with a mixing valve. You want your water heater hot enough to kill listeria. From what I just read I still do. Somewhere between A and B settings usually. Places I moved into were one of 2 notches from max before, expensive bills.
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galahan posted:Do you shower temperature complainers have access to the water heater? I always adjust mine where all the way hot and maybe some cold is a perfect shower, or at least it doesn't need to be set to boiling/max when somewhere in the middle works for almost any scenario. Correct me if I'm wrong, but setting the heater to a higher temperature requires less of the hot water to maintain a given temperature at the shower head, thus extending the possible time it can be run at the user's preferred temperature before depleting the hot water tanks. Whereas if you set the tank to max out at your perfect temperature, you're pulling 100% from the hot tank and will chug it out much, much faster. All this goes out the window with a tankless setup, of course.
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Wasabi the J posted:Btw is there a reason my awesome shower head makes a SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH the whole time it reaches optimal temp, but the lovely one is dead silent, but terrible at being a shower head? I'm commander Sagebrush and this is my favorite video on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flw_EB-RXNE Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Dec 9, 2015 |
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The laugh makes it.
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Sure, it's hilarious the first time, but after four years of having an elephant in your bathroom it really starts to grate on ya
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Javid posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but setting the heater to a higher temperature requires less of the hot water to maintain a given temperature at the shower head, thus extending the possible time it can be run at the user's preferred temperature before depleting the hot water tanks. Whereas if you set the tank to max out at your perfect temperature, you're pulling 100% from the hot tank and will chug it out much, much faster. You are not wrong, but I don't ever hardly take more than 2 20 minute showers in the household and I don't run the washing machine at the same time but even if I did it has an electric heating element in it so it's basically just conserving and not scalding. In my experience at least... I have a very tiny water heater that's a third of the size in my current apartment but the same stuff applies as long as you're not using water for like an hour.
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Sagebrush posted:I'm commander Sagebrush and this is my favorite video on YouTube Which is cute, but I mean, let's be fair, it's only a problem until you find the right rhythm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yy831UQ5_w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIgMeyW4TEM
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Shady Amish Terror posted:Which is cute, but I mean, let's be fair, it's only a problem until you find the right rhythm. These both have made my day. No joke. Today will be a good day.
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Shady Amish Terror posted:Which is cute, but I mean, let's be fair, it's only a problem until you find the right rhythm. Please say these are both Russia. I don't read anything below the video on Youtube because my sanity is all I have. The triple concerto is a loving work of art.
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canyoneer posted:I do the same, because I have small children in the house and it's the safe thing to do in case your knucklehead children mess with the taps.  Here is what the base looks like with the handle, and without the limiter disk, the brass tab will be the "off" position for the lever, notice the teeth inside the brass ring. . .  The white plastic ring fits in the teeth allowing it to be rotated, and the notch on the plastic limits the maximum turn angle and temperature. It's an ingeniously simple design which can prevent kids from scalding themself, or I suppose it could also be use so adults can set their ideal temp and never have to worry about the infinitely fine adjustment again. Javid posted:Yep. This is mine: Chemmy posted:The right way to do this is with a mixing valve. You want your water heater hot enough to kill listeria.
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Crotch Fruit posted:
Actually it's legionella that's the problem. Most bacteria will grow very well in the range of 95-115 degrees. Above 120 shouldn't be a problem. If you keep it low, all you need to do is crank it up to the highest temperature for a few hours once a month.
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Sorry, it's legionella you're right. Saving a couple bucks isn't worth worrying about it growing in there. You wouldn't run your fridge at like 50F to save a couple dollars, don't do it with your water heater.
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Since when is Legionella a concern in domestic water systems? Unless you live on a filthy well your city water has residual chlorination levels sufficient to kill Legionella. The concern is with cooling towers and industrial/commercial hot water systems. Unless you or someone you live with has a compromised immune system, scalding from hot water is likely a much higher risk.
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StormDrain posted:Makes the sound while reaching optimal temp then gets quiet, or does it make sound while at optimal temp? Either way it's probably the expansion of the metal and the geometry of the waterway. Once the shower water gets warm enough to stand in, it starts sounding like a belt being drug over a stuck pulley making a constant Eeeeeeeeeee. Shuts off immediately if you lower the temp to lukewarm.
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Wasabi the J posted:Once the shower water gets warm enough to stand in, it starts sounding like a belt being drug over a stuck pulley making a constant Eeeeeeeeeee. Shuts off immediately if you lower the temp to lukewarm. That's not a bug, it's a feature. The new "alert to proper temp" shower heads are all the rage.
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Alereon posted:Since when is Legionella a concern in domestic water systems? Unless you live on a filthy well your city water has residual chlorination levels sufficient to kill Legionella. The concern is with cooling towers and industrial/commercial hot water systems. Unless you or someone you live with has a compromised immune system, scalding from hot water is likely a much higher risk. Actually chemical disinfectants like chlorine can be rendered inactive in the presence of a biofilm, so it can still be an issue with municipal water supplies.
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Armacham posted:Actually chemical disinfectants like chlorine can be rendered inactive in the presence of a biofilm, so it can still be an issue with municipal water supplies. This is, incidentally, why cases of Legionnaires often crop up in places that have recently undergone plumbing work--it stirs up the biofilm lining the pipes.
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Wasabi the J posted:Once the shower water gets warm enough to stand in, it starts sounding like a belt being drug over a stuck pulley making a constant Eeeeeeeeeee. Shuts off immediately if you lower the temp to lukewarm. Just in case you haven't done this already: take down the showerhead, make sure the rubber gasket thing is intact and clean, then put it back up (optionally with Teflon tape on the threads). It made my showerhead stop making steam whistle noises at high temp.
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Armacham posted:Actually chemical disinfectants like chlorine can be rendered inactive in the presence of a biofilm, so it can still be an issue with municipal water supplies. E: I kinda feel like a dick for going on a derail, and I'd like to think goons are smart enough to set their water heaters so they won't melt their children's arms, but a surprising number of people keep their poo poo too hot. Alereon fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Dec 10, 2015 |
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Alereon posted:Okay, but how is there going to be a Legionella-containing biofilm in pipes that have only ever held chlorinated city water? Sorry if it seems like I'm being contrary, it's just that someone in your house is about 50 times as likely to suffer a scalding burn as get Legionnaire's disease. It seems like that should be the obvious priority when setting a domestic hot water heater temperature, unless you live with someone with AIDS or drink from a filthy well. Legionella and human flesh have similar heat tolerances. No I agree that scalding is a problem. Keeping a gas heater at 120 would be sufficient. If I had an electric I would probably keep it a little higher because they heat a little slower.
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I have to keep my water heater jacked up way high because I think the pipes run through a poorly insulated wall, because in the winter the hot water doesn't last nearly as long as it does in the summer.
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FISHMANPET posted:I have to keep my water heater jacked up way high because I think the pipes run through a poorly insulated wall, because in the winter the hot water doesn't last nearly as long as it does in the summer. Isn’t this mostly because the cold water it’s mixing with is colder?
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All this talk about screaming shower heads reminded me I have something to ask the thread. I live on the ground floor of one half of a duplex, and another family is renting the floor above me. We share utilities with the upstairs neighbours. We have a laundry room with the (gas) water heater, and their bathroom is directly above it. About a year and a half ago, the water heater kicked the bucket, coincidentally right after the upstairs tenants moved out. So the landlord got a new one installed, and everything was good. Until new tenants moved in upstairs, and every time they have a shower, we hear this screaming coming from the pipes. Not when they wash dishes, or run the dishwasher, or washing machine, only when they're using the shower. It's not that loud, but it does make it difficult to watch TV or whatever. We mentioned it to the landlord, and her response was basically "Well they shower at different times, so it's probably quieter and you just notice it more now," but that's definitely not the case. Her attitude at the moment is pretty much that there's nothing to be done, and we'll just have to live with it. So, 1. What could be causing this? It didn't happen with the old water heater, and as far as I know, that installation was the only plumbing work done to the house at the time. 2. Is there anything that can be (cheaply) done about it?
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Take a picture of the new water heater hook up and what the pipes look like. Is teh sound coming from their bathroom upstairs or the actual water heater area?
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I've finally got working heat in my house for the winter season. Turns out that when my landlord had my furnace replaced last year, they ran new wires (R&W) from the furnace to the thermostat but hooked the thermostat up to the old wires. I even got a new heat-only thermostat out of the deal. The crappy construction tale occurred while watching the HVAC guy test the live thermostat wires with a pocketknife. Gotta complete the circuit somehow, I guess. I doubt t's damaging, but it was a troubleshooting technique I've never seen before.
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I changed out my thermostat without turning the power off because the wires weren't colored correctly so the only way I could tell was which one buzzed my hand when I touched it
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moist turtleneck posted:I changed out my thermostat without turning the power off because the wires weren't colored correctly so the only way I could tell was which one buzzed my hand when I touched it Why didn't you label them before you disconnected the wires from the old one? When I replaced mine, the new one came with labels and advised to do that before disconnecting.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDSEYr1emjo I don't think it's supposed to be like that.
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GotLag posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDSEYr1emjo Neutrals and grounds are joined at the same place! What???
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kid sinister posted:Neutrals and grounds are joined at the same place! What??? Technically they're bonded inside the main circuit breaker panel. Doing so outside that panel can cause issues, hilarious, painful, fire causing issues.
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kelvron posted:I've finally got working heat in my house for the winter season. Turns out that when my landlord had my furnace replaced last year, they ran new wires (R&W) from the furnace to the thermostat but hooked the thermostat up to the old wires. I even got a new heat-only thermostat out of the deal. its a 24VAC system, all he was doing was completing the circuit to hear if the furnace kicks on. Only way this could be remotely dangerous is if he used his tongue.
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Dirty Beluga posted:its a 24VAC system, all he was doing was completing the circuit to hear if the furnace kicks on. Only way this could be remotely dangerous is if he used his tongue. Yeah, this pretty standard for checking if a system cycles on. Worst case scenario you blow the 5A fuse in the air handler. My personal way of doing it is with a pair of needlenose pliers, but to each their own.
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