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Man hordes are SO good and fun right now. I hope the nerf they receive isn't too brutal.
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Today I ragequit a campaign cause I forgot vassals get +50 liberty desire after they reach 300 development. Suddenly I got crushed by a massive Ottomans + Russia + half of India independence war and I lost a century's worth of conquests in one go. I should have fed them their provinces through the interaction menu to lower their LD but I never thought that'd be an issue  But hey, it was an Ideas Man run and that's a fun achievement, this is just an excuse to play more of it 
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Dec 10, 2015 21:54
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DeeEmTee posted:Man hordes are SO good and fun right now. I hope the nerf they receive isn't too brutal. Razing needs to just straight up move development into your capital or something instead of just giving you monarch points. Literally the only downsides of being a horde are crap tech and the LA cap, the former is fixed by razing and the latter is fixed by government bonuses. Or maybe the Horde estate could be made even harder to deal with as you get more provinces so that you eventually have to reform or allow them to take over the government.
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Dec 10, 2015 22:24
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RabidWeasel posted:Razing needs to just straight up move development into your capital or something instead of just giving you monarch points. Literally the only downsides of being a horde are crap tech and the LA cap, the former is fixed by razing and the latter is fixed by government bonuses. I really like the second idea, perhaps with some kind of CK2ish series of events where far-flung corners of your empire rise up as random separatist horde rebels instead of the current disaster which is really easy to deal with.
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Dec 10, 2015 23:41
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Okay I got a very lucky run of byz so here's some 1.14 advice. Make 3 units, 2 cav 1 inf in the Peloponnese. Ship your other ones to Athens. Sell your 2 trade ships to theodoro. Ally Poland and Aragon if possible. Since you can't ally both at the same time due to the -25 modifier, raise relations until they will both accept alliances and then RM Poland. When Poland sends an alliance request, ally Aragon and then accept the alliance. Then you can attack whenever you're ready. Attach Athens' units to you and move to yanya. Sit there and wait for Poland (make sure they're not at war with TO) to move to attack. Help Aragon destroy the ottos navy. If all goes well, you should have Erdine and Macedonia besieged. Aragon and Naples should land troops soon and compete some sieges for you. Make sure you occupy the provinces you want. I noticed your allies tend to give occupation to Athens because they claim everything. In the peace deal, take all of Greece and at least one province bordering wallachia and Serbia. Once that war is over, fab claims on wallachia, vassalize them. Annex Serbia and then Bosnia. If Albania is still independent, take them too. Wait until your next war with the ottos to attack Ragusa. And then you're set.
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Dec 11, 2015 00:45
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Average Bear posted:Sell your 2 trade ships to theodoro. Wait what? How?
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Dec 11, 2015 01:16
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Elman posted:Wait what? How? It's a somewhat new feature, but "sell ships" is under the economy diplomacy section. You can get about 30 ducats for them.
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Dec 11, 2015 01:27
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Average Bear posted:My allies gave my vassals occupation of territory I want... is this due to them declaring it theirs? Well I can't do that because I don't have the Cossacks. Can I get the occupation or no? Vassals will occupy territory if they have cores or (maybe?) claims on it. Not sure how The Cossacks has affected that behavior, but regardless, you can't take it without letting the enemy un-siege it and then re-sieging it yourself. Or integrating the vassal, I suppose.
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Dec 11, 2015 02:13
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Yeah I know that, the problem is the vassal used diplomatic feedback to claim the province (Athens claiming central Bulgaria) and I couldn't do anything about it since I can't used diplomatic feedback myself, not having Cossacks.
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Dec 11, 2015 02:47
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How do I use diplomatic feedback? My AI allies and I seem to have had problems communicating who gets what land I conquered.
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Dec 11, 2015 02:53
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PittTheElder posted:It's just something in the localization that's backwards. I noticed the moment I jumped into the new options page, because I was trying to figure out where the ironman checkbox went. I would kill for the ability to hand over the micromanagement of your military to the AI. I don't care if the AI is retarded with it, when you've got a big enough military that micromanagement becomes a chore, you don't need finesse.
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Dec 11, 2015 02:58
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Fister Roboto posted:I would kill for the ability to hand over the micromanagement of your military to the AI. I don't care if the AI is retarded with it, when you've got a big enough military that micromanagement becomes a chore, you don't need finesse. This would be great.
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Dec 11, 2015 03:09
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Trujillo posted:The English and Scottish both had better generals but it didn't matter. This is how your early battles will go with all your military bonuses: I mostly followed this and am in great shape. Took one Irish minor, then England got in a war with France 2 years in, then Scotland declared, so I took advantage. I got coalitioned from all the land I took but worth it. They actually declared on me, but Scotland suicided their entire army against my God army in the mountains and peaced out before the rest of the coalition did anything. Now I have most of England and just waiting for some more AE to burn off before I wipe out Scotland, and it's not even 1465.
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Dec 11, 2015 05:37
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This is driving me insane. Wallachia is my vassal. I have a claim on this province, but apparently wallachia dreams of becoming hungary. It's not fair that the AI can use this feature but I can't.
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Dec 11, 2015 05:44
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Please stop whining and buy the dlc.
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Dec 11, 2015 06:01
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Ah gently caress, I didn't lose much time but I just had a Castille run which had been off to a great start go to poo poo, because a couple of wars wiped out my manpower and while letting it recover, Aragon decided they wanted liberty. Fine in itself, but they also called in Naples, Portugal, and loving Austria, so despite my best efforts like 60 thousand assholes rolled into my country from all directions and pushed by poo poo in. Now Aragon's peace demands are insane. I'll just restart.
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Dec 11, 2015 06:02
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cool and good posted:Please stop whining and buy the dlc. The whole point is that you aren't supposed to have to buy the DLC to still play the game normally
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Dec 11, 2015 06:04
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Average Bear posted:The whole point is that you aren't supposed to have to buy the DLC to still play the game normally yeah, most expansion features are disabled for the AI if they're disabled for the player. I guess the idea is that it's nice to know what the AI is looking for even if you can't set goals yourself, and the problem with the vassal here is an edge case?
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Dec 11, 2015 06:35
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Yeah that sums it up. Can't see what the AI wants, can't override it with my own claims either. Would be nice to see what made the commonwealth break their alliance with me over.
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Dec 11, 2015 07:09
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quote:Europa Universalis IV: Buying all the DLC is just Common Sense I mean, it's really loving hard to balance the game for every possible permutation of owned DLCs, and similarly it's also tough to give gameplay advice if you're not up to date. For better or worse, give Paradox your monies
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Dec 11, 2015 07:51
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I don't want to deal with estates as they are
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Dec 11, 2015 07:59
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Average Bear posted:I don't want to deal with estates as they are Wiz deserves your money more than you do.
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Dec 11, 2015 08:26
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Under the new diplomacy system, allies will happily hand you over 100% OE.
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Dec 11, 2015 09:18
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Was this due to cores, claims, or provinces of interest? Or they just felt like screwing you over?
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Dec 11, 2015 09:36
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Pellisworth posted:I mean, it's really loving hard to balance the game for every possible permutation of owned DLCs, and similarly it's also tough to give gameplay advice if you're not up to date. As hard as it might be the whole idea behind the DLC system is that the game is playable without any of it. Granted, this does not siund quite gamebreaking, but just telling the guy to buy the DLC is kinda lovely.
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Dec 11, 2015 11:44
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The AI also doesn't have a problem giving you massive AE either. In my latest game Brandenburg gave me (Sweden) four provinces from Poland in one deal and I ate about 70 base AE before modifiers. Good thing I had uber-Brandenburg for an ally.
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Dec 11, 2015 12:26
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Fister Roboto posted:I would kill for the ability to hand over the micromanagement of your military to the AI. I don't care if the AI is retarded with it, when you've got a big enough military that micromanagement becomes a chore, you don't need finesse. I think about how nice it would be to have this feature every time I play.
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Dec 11, 2015 13:18
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I don't get this hordes are so easy thing I'm trying to do ->Manchu->Qing and getting curbstomped by Ming every time I have no money is probably the biggest problem
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Dec 11, 2015 13:59
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I don't get this hordes are so easy thing Steppe hordes get a 25% bonus to shock damage on friendly (owned?) steppe provinces. So what you do is build as many infantry as they have total units in their front line and then fill as much of your combat width as you can with horsemen for flanking bonuses which lets you completely stomp most armies. It's completely worth it to go into debt to break a big nation because they will almost always go into more debt due to your units not costing anything to reinforce. edit: You might also want to seriously consider not even forming Manchu because Tengri is much better than going straight up Confucian and between razing/Administrative 2nd idea/Manchu 2nd NI you'll just about break even/have a slight net gain in ADM for every province. DeeEmTee fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Dec 11, 2015 |
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Dec 11, 2015 15:06
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DeeEmTee posted:Steppe hordes get a 25% bonus to shock damage on friendly (owned?) steppe provinces. So what you do is build as many infantry as they have total units in their front line and then fill as much of your combat width as you can with horsemen for flanking bonuses which lets you completely stomp most armies. It's completely worth it to go into debt to break a big nation because they will almost always go into more debt due to your units not costing anything to reinforce. Wouldn't that put your cavalry on the back row, or am I missing something?
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Dec 11, 2015 15:20
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Shroud posted:Wouldn't that put your cavalry on the back row, or am I missing something? Well it depends on the size of their stacks. If they're doing full width stacks then you just build a normal horde army but abusing home terrain flanking is what you're hoping to do as any steppe tribe until you're so big it doesn't matter anymore. I honestly didn't even know hordes got a homeland steppe bonus until I saw http://imgur.com/a/WEGwr because it's not on any tooltips in-game as far as I can tell but it's EXTREMELY powerful. Hordes are honestly amazing right now, even playing at an extremely leisurely pace with a ton of setbacks you can do something like  while being ahead of time in every tech.
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Dec 11, 2015 15:26
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John Wilkes Booth posted:Was this due to cores, claims, or provinces of interest? Or they just felt like screwing you over? Entirely due to provinces of interest. I asked for those - there just isn't any good way to say "Wait! Don't give me anything this war!".
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Dec 11, 2015 15:33
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Can't you just return anything you didn't want?
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Dec 11, 2015 15:48
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Why does Tlemcen get 100% disloyal when Aragon supports the independence of Portugal only?
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Dec 11, 2015 15:49
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DeeEmTee posted:Steppe hordes get a 25% bonus to shock damage on friendly (owned?) steppe provinces. So what you do is build as many infantry as they have total units in their front line and then fill as much of your combat width as you can with horsemen for flanking bonuses which lets you completely stomp most armies. It's completely worth it to go into debt to break a big nation because they will almost always go into more debt due to your units not costing anything to reinforce. Going for the Qing achievement
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Dec 11, 2015 16:46
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Going for the Qing achievement Then just try to fight on steppes/grasslands in your own territory and don't be afraid of mercs and loans.
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Dec 11, 2015 17:01
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Gort posted:Can't you just return anything you didn't want? No. Never. Absolutely not.
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Dec 11, 2015 17:51
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My new Castille run was kneecapped because the King of Aragon would not loving die and was still going strong in his 70s, meaning I couldn't do poo poo about Portugal's explorations. At the same time, Portugal's other big ally, namely England, sat there merrily on the continent and never warred with France. Whenever I play England they loving declare on me on Day Zero but three decades in and England remains unmolested. Anyway Aragon and England combined mean I can't take Portugal out of the game. Why can't I just have a run where things go my way 
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Dec 11, 2015 18:04
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So what's the hard and fast rule of avoiding fort bugginess at the moment?
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Dec 11, 2015 18:32
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.