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BizarroAzrael posted:Do split cards count as having two CMCs for Kozilek's ability? Yes
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BizarroAzrael posted:Wastes needs to be drafted, you can't just grab as many as you need. Had wondered if they would provide them for land tables. Two versions so they are twice as common as a normal common. Also confirmed that {D} is a going-forward mana symbol. Ian Duke also strongly implied that things costing specifically {D} was more of a Oath of the Gatewatch mechanic.
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SoftNum posted:Also confirmed that {D} is a going-forward mana symbol. Ian Duke also strongly implied that things costing specifically {D} was more of a Oath of the Gatewatch mechanic. It will probably be a sometimes-thing like hybrid and coloured artifacts
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BizarroAzrael posted:Do split cards count as having two CMCs for Kozilek's ability? The card in your hand has two CMCs. The spell on the stack will have the CMC of the half cast (or the combined CMC, if Fused).
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Lancelot posted:half cast
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Im glad New Kozilek is real and that wastes are real and everything is as cryptic as reality itself
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Dec 11, 2015 14:24
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Guess OFS needs to take pictures with cats now. In other news, this Kozilek is still rad as hell.
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Dec 11, 2015 14:28
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Oath will be the worst set ever
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Dec 11, 2015 14:33
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:Oath will be the worst set ever We're starting early, I see.
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Dec 11, 2015 14:34
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Dec 11, 2015 14:36
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Count Bleck posted:Guess OFS needs to take pictures with cats now. Ulamog is better.
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Dec 11, 2015 15:24
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Wow look confirmation of the incredibly obvious mechanics. I still think new kozi is kind of bad but we will see. Also wastes as cards in pack is loving awful.
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Dec 11, 2015 15:25
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Was it loving awful in Coldsnap too? That's not a challenge, I wasn't playing when Coldsnap came out and I honestly don't know whether it was loving awful or not.
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Dec 11, 2015 15:32
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Someone please repost Kozilek 2 because I'm on my phone and too lazy to dog back through the thread for it.
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Dec 11, 2015 15:35
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 Don't like the alt-art Wastes as much as the Bismuth one.
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Dec 11, 2015 15:47
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I guess the one on the left is Kozilek's and the one on the right is Ulamog's?
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Dec 11, 2015 15:49
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So who is all eating crow today?
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Dec 11, 2015 16:00
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The waste on the right just looks like a Mirrodin swamp.
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Dec 11, 2015 16:21
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:(it was a joke) Isn't it always? 
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I actually like the new Wastes art quite a bit. It feels vast and barren and really communicates the flavor well.
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AlternateNu posted:Isn't it always? No, everything in this thread should be taken literally and at face value. 
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Dec 11, 2015 16:48
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Any spoilers besides the ones that were already leaked?
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Terrible Horse posted:Any spoilers besides the ones that were already leaked? No. This presentation is probably the source.
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Count Bleck posted:Guess OFS needs to take pictures with cats now. Lieutenant Centaur posted:Oath will be the worst set ever These are all correct. Boy I love all-in parasitic mechanics that have negative synergy with the previous set and have 12 cards to work with. 5th Dawn was my favorite set BTW.
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Hopping Ghost posted:Was it loving awful in Coldsnap too? It wasn't the worst, it just wasn't super well executed. The main problem in Coldsnap was that the snow cards weren't really a good enough payoff 90% of the time. Special lands like this kind of gave to be draftable cards because the alternative has a lot of logistical problems; is Wizards going to send every store a massive pile of Wastes to keep with their free basic lands? Drafting cards with special mana costs is supposed to be costly, presumably <> specific cards are going to be more powerful than regular colorless counterparts and allowing any number of Wastes to be picked up for free removes a lot of the tension they're trying to add. I think it will turn out better this time because A) there will be two packs of OGW per draft, making Wastes a fairly easy pick up if you need it and B) this format has Evolving Wilds, Blighted Woodland, and Eldrazi Scions, making it much easier to come across the colorless mana you need if you commit to taking the D, but taking enablers like that don't pigeon-hole you if you need to change strategy mid-draft, whereas in Coldsnap the Snow cards and lands were super parasitic. I actually almost hope they put Evolving Wilds in Oath too, for that reason. That or another Pilgrim's Eye type card at common. Also Pilgrim's Eye should have been a common
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:These are all correct. This is my one gripe about this whole thing: it seems really antithetical to Devoid. But the rest of the set could easily alleviate those problems. However I think characterizing the colorless costs mechanic as all-in or parasitic is a misevaluation. I didn't see the presentation, did they really say there are only twelve colorless costed cards or are you just joking around?
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Hopping Ghost posted:Was it loving awful in Coldsnap too? nah man drafting snow basics in coldsnap was the best, only second to picking up every copy of surging sentinels and surging dementia or krovikian mists.
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Dec 11, 2015 17:14
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:These are all correct. What is parasitic about this mechanic? Also, it functions with all of the cards in bfz that make scions or fetch basics or tap for colorless on their own.
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Zoness posted:nah man drafting snow basics in coldsnap was the best, only second to picking up every copy of surging sentinels and surging dementia or krovikian mists. First pick R/G snow land second third fourth pick Ronom Hulk was awesome.
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Zoness posted:nah man drafting snow basics in coldsnap was the best, only second to picking up every copy of surging sentinels and surging dementia or krovikian mists. Ripple was a sweet mechanic
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stinkles1112 posted:This is my one gripe about this whole thing: it seems really antithetical to Devoid. But the rest of the set could easily alleviate those problems. However I think characterizing the colorless costs mechanic as all-in or parasitic is a misevaluation. It's also antithetical to Converge, and to regular deck-building which doesn't get colorless without Lodestone Golem around it's either a cost easily mitigated, making the stunt pointless to even introduce, or it demands centering deckbuilding around it or not using it at all, parasitic. quote:I didn't see the presentation, did they really say there are only twelve colorless costed cards or are you just joking around? Well it's a theme in a small set, it's not gonna get much action, u less they abandon themes from BFZ and make those the disappointing wastes of time. Regardless it won't look pretty.
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I find it funny that "Hearthstone" is censored on the Magic stream now.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:These are all correct. Draft blows, who cares, hail our hopefully eternal playable wastelords
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TheKingofSprings posted:Draft blows wrongo bub
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TheKingofSprings posted:Draft blows, who cares, hail our hopefully eternal playable wastelords who are you, TheLordofWastes?
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NivMizzet posted:I find it funny that "Hearthstone" is censored on the Magic stream now. Odd, since hearthstone would be a perfect name for an artifact.
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Chill la Chill posted:Odd, since hearthstone would be a perfect name for an artifact. Well, we do have a HEARTstone artifact
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A mechanic that requires you to make deckbuilding considerations? Oh no!!
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Irony Be My Shield posted:A mechanic that requires you to make deckbuilding considerations? Oh no!! weird, hearthstone has one of those too 
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It's parasitic in the sense that green is parasitic. If you want to run green creatures in your deck, you need to include lands that produce G.
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