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botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Alzion posted:

This has gone off topic enough so I won't go through 10 billion examples and exceptions to the rule.

Here is my point, The general trend is getting to more frequent releases of full title games with with larger percentages of reused assets and smaller incremental improvements in each release. This has come to be because games have become far more complex and expensive to build from the ground up, and because publishers have found that the consumer base is willing to engage in this monetization scheme.

I'm sure you have numbers that show that this is indeed a "general trend" rather than your gutfeeling.

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My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Alzion posted:

This has gone off topic enough so I won't go through 10 billion examples and exceptions to the rule.

Here is my point, The general trend is getting to more frequent releases of full title games with with larger percentages of reused assets and smaller incremental improvements in each release. This has come to be because games have become far more complex and expensive to build from the ground up, and because publishers have found that the consumer base is willing to engage in this monetization scheme.

What does this have to do with politics in America? In the Senate, bringing up this topic would be called "not germaine" to the conversation at hand. Are taxes too high on video games? Do game studios hide too much of their assets offshore, and are in desperate need of a tax holiday to reshore their capital?

Here's a hint: Unless the software company is a big donor to your campaign, almost no politics in America give a poo poo about videogames. Despite what House of Cards may have you believe, the Speaker of the House does not play shooters on Xbox; why would they, when they can watch a livefeed from USAF any time they wish of terrorists being droned?

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
In a socialist society all engines are open source and everyone is making and freely sharing assets. Great games would be made.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

McDowell posted:

In a socialist society all engines are open source and everyone is making and freely sharing assets. Great games would be made.

Games are made from a motivation of profit, not a motivation of love. They are a product to be sold at a market price through the best distribution channel that the producer can find or create. Great games are those which earn a return on investment; without this return, there would be no new games coming out with widespread distribution. The only socialist game I can think of that had widespread appeal is Tetris, a game which represents life inside the bureaucratic despotism that was communist society. What socialist games have there been with such mass appeal since?

What you seem to desire is a return to the great arcade crash of the 80's.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!
I still remember when Hilary Clinton and others were raging about video games in a moral panic in the 90s. :corsair:

Mike the TV
Jan 14, 2008

Ninety-nine ninety-nine ninety-nine

Pillbug

Your Dunkle Sans posted:

I still remember when Hilary Clinton and others were raging about video games in a moral panic in the 90s. :corsair:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1udjd2Aq3E

Alzion
Dec 31, 2006
Technically a '06
Since I *swallows back vomit* actually agree with MIFG's over elaberate callout of this derail.

Trump 5 points ahead of Cruz nationally

We may have an actual non-joke primary contender gaining ground. Over/under on a January/February Trump 3rd party run?

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
All Cruz did was put a giant target on himself for the upcoming debate on the 15th. I won't be surprised if more than Trump goes after him. Jeb needs to make a impression so hopefully they'll give him a line of the emergency cocaine he has on hand from the 80s and he'll come out swinging.

Khisanth Magus
Mar 31, 2011

Vae Victus
I love how the top 2 GOP presidential candidates are the guy who wants to be a fascist dictator and the guy who wants to destroy the federal government.

fade5
May 31, 2012

by exmarx

Hollismason posted:

All Cruz did was put a giant target on himself for the upcoming debate on the 15th. I won't be surprised if more than Trump goes after him. Jeb needs to make a impression so hopefully they'll give him a line of the emergency cocaine he has on hand from the 80s and he'll come out swinging.
On that note, we have the layout for the CNN debate on the 15th:
Kasich, Fiorina, Christie, and Paul are somehow still loving in it.:argh:

But what's really notable is that Trump and Cruz are right next to each other.:allears::hf::getin:

Kro-Bar
Jul 24, 2004
USPOL May

Alzion posted:

This has gone off topic enough so I won't go through 10 billion examples and exceptions to the rule.

Here is my point, The general trend is getting to more frequent releases of full title games with with larger percentages of reused assets and smaller incremental improvements in each release. This has come to be because games have become far more complex and expensive to build from the ground up, and because publishers have found that the consumer base is willing to engage in this monetization scheme.

Who loving cares why are you guys talking about this please stop.

mystic pimp
Jul 25, 2014

Formerly-rampant human-coded AI with a sense of humor seeks bipedal oxygen-breathing cyborg for serious relationship in the galactic core. I've got cool guns if you like to break stuff. No yuppies.

Kro-Bar posted:

Who loving cares why are you guys talking about this please stop.
The state of the video game industry is clearly a major issue this election cycle

Combed Thunderclap
Jan 4, 2011



fade5 posted:

Kasich, Fiorina, Christie, and Paul are somehow still loving in it.:argh:

Oh god what will Fiorina make up to get attention this time :suicide:

More seriously, how the gently caress has the RNC not kicked out the bit players already by leaning on the networks, keeping the debate field this broad for this long makes for horrible debates and a confused party base.

...I still can't wait to watch the insanity, natch :getin:

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


I mean Cruz is kinda a joke too but I'll take whatever blessings I can get.

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

Combed Thunderclap posted:

Oh god what will Fiorina make up to get attention this time :suicide:

More seriously, how the gently caress has the RNC not kicked out the bit players already by leaning on the networks, keeping the debate field this broad for this long makes for horrible debates and a confused party base.

...I still can't wait to watch the insanity, natch :getin:

I dare Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama to watch these tapes, watch a helpless American defending his home and freedom, his heart beating, his sweat flowing, while someone says, 'We have to take his guns".

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

My Imaginary GF posted:

Games are made from a motivation of profit, not a motivation of love. They are a product to be sold at a market price through the best distribution channel that the producer can find or create. Great games are those which earn a return on investment; without this return, there would be no new games coming out with widespread distribution. The only socialist game I can think of that had widespread appeal is Tetris, a game which represents life inside the bureaucratic despotism that was communist society. What socialist games have there been with such mass appeal since?

What you seem to desire is a return to the great arcade crash of the 80's.

You're right. Look at Call of Duty and Madden.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

A woman in Tennessee tried to abort with a coat hanger in a bathtub. She had to be rushed to the hospital where they delivered the baby who is now critically disabled and arrested her for attempted murder.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Luigi Thirty posted:

A woman in Tennessee tried to abort with a coat hanger in a bathtub. She had to be rushed to the hospital where they delivered the baby who is now critically disabled and arrested her for attempted murder.

Does the fetus count as a person for purposes of redistricting?

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.

fade5 posted:

On that note, we have the layout for the CNN debate on the 15th:

Kasich, Fiorina, Christie, and Paul are somehow still loving in it.:argh:

But what's really notable is that Trump and Cruz are right next to each other.:allears::hf::getin:

The fact that they're giving outliers still spots in their debates is really what's hampering them, but they kind of have to otherwise.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Luigi Thirty posted:

A woman in Tennessee tried to abort with a coat hanger in a bathtub. She had to be rushed to the hospital where they delivered the baby who is now critically disabled and arrested her for attempted murder.

:911:

This is only going to get more and more common. At least in Texas you can acquire sketchy abortifacient drugs across the border and risk hospitalization that way.

Combed Thunderclap
Jan 4, 2011



Logikv9 posted:

I dare Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama to watch these tapes, watch a helpless American defending his home and freedom, his heart beating, his sweat flowing, while someone says, 'We have to take his guns".

She says this while gesturing towards the poster of Rambo she's tacked on the front of her podium

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

GreyjoyBastard posted:

:911:

This is only going to get more and more common. At least in Texas you can acquire sketchy abortifacient drugs across the border and risk hospitalization that way.

If you're going to abort a growth, at least go across state lines to somewhere sane and do it.

Like Illinois.

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Augus
Mar 9, 2015


Luigi Thirty posted:

A woman in Tennessee tried to abort with a coat hanger in a bathtub. She had to be rushed to the hospital where they delivered the baby who is now critically disabled and arrested her for attempted murder.

Oh man who could've ever predicted something like this would happen!?

I mean besides everyone with a brain

800peepee51doodoo
Mar 1, 2001

Volute the swarth, trawl betwixt phonotic
Scoff the festune

computer parts posted:

But so do higher wage jobs, apparently.

Also, your first link has construction as a "middle wage" job, which probably is not a normal circumstance outside of a housing bubble.

Catching up on the thread and this is from a while ago but construction absolutely is a middle wage job. Skilled subs like plumbers, electricians, tile, and finish carpenters charge north of $100/hr and employees in those trades working for companies can make $25-40/hr depending on skill level, experience and location. Union employees can make even more. Bust cycles can be hard but you'll absolutely never starve if you know how to wire a house. Granted, if you're a drywaller, painter, demolition guy working for someone else you're probably not doing great because those jobs pay poo poo comparatively but there is always good money to be made in the trades.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

800peepee51doodoo posted:

Catching up on the thread and this is from a while ago but construction absolutely is a middle wage job. Skilled subs like plumbers, electricians, tile, and finish carpenters charge north of $100/hr and employees in those trades working for companies can make $25-40/hr depending on skill level, experience and location. Union employees can make even more. Bust cycles can be hard but you'll absolutely never starve if you know how to wire a house. Granted, if you're a drywaller, painter, demolition guy working for someone else you're probably not doing great because those jobs pay poo poo comparatively but there is always good money to be made in the trades.

America would have more middle-class jobs if we had more passenger railroads running on electricity.

You wanna restore the middle class? Tax gas, build public-private railroad partnerships, and tax the living gently caress outta Uber and AirBNB to pay for it.

HisMajestyBOB
Oct 21, 2010


College Slice

fade5 posted:

On that note, we have the layout for the CNN debate on the 15th:

Kasich, Fiorina, Christie, and Paul are somehow still loving in it.:argh:

But what's really notable is that Trump and Cruz are right next to each other.:allears::hf::getin:

I was so hoping that I wouldn't have to listen to Rand's whiny, nasally voice again during the debate.
Honestly, the leading candidates and GOP leadership should push hard to drop all the losers below 5% nationally. They're not going to win and they're detracting attention from the candidates the GOP needs to advertise.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
Doesn't them having more candidates work better in a brokered convention?

Raere
Dec 13, 2007

The fetus, on the table, tapdancing, its heart beating, while the doctors talk about harvesting its brain so it can vote GOP when it grows up.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Raere posted:

The fetus, on the table, tapdancing, its heart beating, while the doctors talk about harvesting its brain so it can vote GOP when it grows up.

Question is, who's gonna pay for treatment of that baby? I think cost should be a consideration in treatment options, and if that mother lacks the ability to afford the treatment of that fetus, should be able to take that into consideration when signing off on medical procedures.

smg77
Apr 27, 2007

Hollismason posted:

All Cruz did was put a giant target on himself for the upcoming debate on the 15th. I won't be surprised if more than Trump goes after him. Jeb needs to make a impression so hopefully they'll give him a line of the emergency cocaine he has on hand from the 80s and he'll come out swinging.

Trump has been really mellow in the last few debates. I'm hoping he's back on point for the next one and that he chews Cruz up and spits him out (or at least tricks him into a super awkward handshake/high five like he did with Jeb!).

On Terra Firma
Feb 12, 2008

A small town in North Carolina rejected solar power for a totally rational reason.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...n-a6771526.html

quote:

US town rejects solar panels amid fears they 'suck up all the energy from the sun'

A US town has rejected a proposal for a solar farm following public concerns.

Members of the public in Woodland, North Carolina, expressed their fear and mistrust at the proposal to allow Strata Solar Company to build a solar farm off Highway 258.

During the Woodland Town Council meeting, one local man, Bobby Mann, said solar farms would suck up all the energy from the sun and businesses would not go to Woodland, the Roanoke-Chowan News Herald reported.

Jane Mann, a retired science teacher, said she was concerned the panels would prevent plants in the area from photosynthesizing, stopping them from growing.

Ms Mann said she had seen areas near solar panels where plants are brown and dead because they did not get enough sunlight.

She also questioned the high number of cancer deaths in the area, saying no one could tell her solar panels didn't cause cancer.

The area around Woodland is a popular choice because it has an electrical substation allowing the panels to be hooked up to the national grid.

A spokesperson for Strata told the meeting: "There are no negative impacts. A solar farm is a wonderful use for a property like this."

They added: "The panels don't draw additional sunlight."

The council voted three to one against rezoning the land and later voted for a moratorium on future solar farms.

Speaking after the COP-21 summit on climate change in Paris pledged to limit global warming below the threshold of 2°c, Pope Francis said the plan will require "a concerted and generous commitment" from everyone.

Experts said a move towards renewable power, with investment in wind and solar energy, will be required to cut down on emissions.

Retired science teacher. My loving god. :suicide:

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

My Imaginary GF posted:

Question is, who's gonna pay for treatment of that baby? I think cost should be a consideration in treatment options, and if that mother lacks the ability to afford the treatment of that fetus, should be able to take that into consideration when signing off on medical procedures.

Too bad what you're saying isn't legal.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

On Terra Firma posted:

A small town in North Carolina rejected solar power for a totally rational reason.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...n-a6771526.html


Retired science teacher. My loving god. :suicide:

Solar power causes cancer inasmuch as electricity causes cancer.

DemeaninDemon posted:

Too bad what you're saying isn't legal.

Then perhaps charges should be filed against the individuals or institutions which authorized services knowing full well there was a lack of resources to pay for them.

For any other commodity, if you purchase and consume something knowing you lack the ability to pay for it, you can end up sued and facing charges. Why should the healthcare market be any different?

My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Dec 13, 2015

Raere
Dec 13, 2007

On Terra Firma posted:

A small town in North Carolina rejected solar power for a totally rational reason.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...n-a6771526.html


Retired science teacher. My loving god. :suicide:

At least she's not an active science teacher.

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

On Terra Firma posted:

A small town in North Carolina rejected solar power for a totally rational reason.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...n-a6771526.html


Retired science teacher. My loving god. :suicide:

You know this would explain a lot if the GOP faithful think Obama is trying to bring about a literal thousand years of darkness.

How our society has failed so badly that this could happen is another point of discussion but it would explain some things.

e:

That article comments posted posted:


It's called the "shadow effect".

Solar systems generate energy and create shade. Solar Aspect helps make a site economic.

The reporter seems to be "itching to be smarter than you" by making the retired science teacher look stupid.

RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Dec 13, 2015

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

On Terra Firma posted:

A small town in North Carolina rejected solar power for a totally rational reason.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...n-a6771526.html


Retired science teacher. My loving god. :suicide:


One of the most basic laws in the universe is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This states that as time goes by, entropy in an environment will increase. Evolution argues differently against a law that is accepted EVERYWHERE BY EVERYONE. Evolution says that we started out simple, and over time became more complex. That just isn't possible: UNLESS there is a giant outside source of energy supplying the Earth with huge amounts of energy. If there were such a source, scientists would certainly know about it.

Too Shy Guy
Jun 14, 2003


I have destroyed more of your kind than I can count.



On Terra Firma posted:

Retired science teacher. My loving god. :suicide:

I grew up in NC, and my 9th grade biology teacher prefaced our unit on evolution with "This ain't the way the good Lord done it, but the state says I have to teach y'all this."

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

My Imaginary GF posted:

Solar power causes cancer inasmuch as electricity causes cancer.


Then perhaps charges should be filed against the individuals or institutions which authorized services knowing full well there was a lack of resources to pay for them.

For any other commodity, if you purchase and consume something knowing you lack the ability to pay for it, you can end up sued and facing charges. Why should the healthcare market be any different?

Private hospitals can but only in non emergency situations.

Otherkinsey Scale
Jul 17, 2012

Just a little bit of sunshine!

Logikv9 posted:

UNLESS there is a giant outside source of energy supplying the Earth with huge amounts of energy. If there were such a source, scientists would certainly know about it.

I guess you can't accept solar power if you don't accept the sun.

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My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Logikv9 posted:

One of the most basic laws in the universe is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This states that as time goes by, entropy in an environment will increase. Evolution argues differently against a law that is accepted EVERYWHERE BY EVERYONE. Evolution says that we started out simple, and over time became more complex. That just isn't possible: UNLESS there is a giant outside source of energy supplying the Earth with huge amounts of energy. If there were such a source, scientists would certainly know about it.

Is that source the atom? I think we should harness the power of the atom more, and the energy of plants less.

Unfortunately, I doubt that NC town would be in favor of a new nuclear power plant.

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