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Paperhouse
Dec 31, 2008

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Seems like Lenovo Thinkpads are real popular here, can anyone say why exactly? I already like Lenovo and am using one right now, am considering looking for a Thinkpad of some sort on eBay but I don't really know if that's the best thing for me to do. I can spend up to about £500 but might prefer to spend less if I can still get something good

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TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

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Skandranon posted:

They are not. With a larger drive, you may run out of space less. And some drives, like the Intel 750 PCIe, arrange their chips differently between the 480gb and 1.2tb versions that result in increased speeds, but this is not a function of size, but of differences between models.

I believe I've read here before that a 250GB is faster than a 120GB SSD due to using more memory channels.

sarehu
Apr 20, 2007

(call/cc call/cc)

Paperhouse posted:

Seems like Lenovo Thinkpads are real popular here, can anyone say why exactly?

Relatively durable, good keyboards, trackpoint, good parts ecosystem.

Butt Savage
Aug 23, 2007
Are the screens on their business laptops still a loving embarrassment though? And if not, when did they finally start getting better?

MagusDraco
Nov 11, 2011

even speedwagon was trolled

Butt Savage posted:

Are the screens on their business laptops still a loving embarrassment though? And if not, when did they finally start getting better?

They're an embarrassment unless you buy the IPS upgraded versions.

To compensate for finally offering better screens they started putting shady stuff on the laptops and the trackpad got worse.

Calidus
Oct 31, 2011

Stand back I'm going to try science!

Butt Savage posted:

Are the screens on their business laptops still a loving embarrassment though? And if not, when did they finally start getting better?

late 2013, early 2014 but it doesn't stop IT directors from being cheap and buying lovely screens.

GrizzlyCow
May 30, 2011

Wilford Cutlery posted:

I believe I've read here before that a 250GB is faster than a 120GB SSD due to using more memory channels.
More capacity offers better write performance on average. The jump from 120GB to 240GB is just when it lasts make up a noticeable difference in performance. Compare BX100 120GB and BX100 250GB to BX100 250GB and BX100 500GB. 1TB drives tend to have more mixed performance in comparison.

Butt Savage
Aug 23, 2007

havenwaters posted:

They're an embarrassment unless you buy the IPS upgraded versions.

To compensate for finally offering better screens they started putting shady stuff on the laptops and the trackpad got worse.

Oh yeah, I read about Mr. Fish, alright. I expected that poo poo from Acer or Asus or maybe even Dell (they sorta did, though, didn't they?), but from Lenovo and on their business line of all things? loving incredible.


Calidus posted:

late 2013, early 2014 but it doesn't stop IT directors from being cheap and buying lovely screens.

It's just outright pathetic considering there's a $300 chromebook with a respectable screen out there and yet Lenovo can't be bothered to do that for their $700+ machines without paying a premium.

I'm probably gonna pick up a refurb T-series some time next year just to dick around with, so hopefully I can get one with the better screen.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Lenovo charges $60 to upgrade to the 1080p IPS. It's not much of a premium.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Mu Zeta posted:

Lenovo charges $60 to upgrade to the 1080p IPS. It's not much of a premium.

The problem isn't cost, it's that many enterprises still rely on software that won't scale and 1080p is just too much for a lot of users even on a 15" laptop (let alone a more common 12 or 14" model)

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Butt Savage posted:

Oh yeah, I read about Mr. Fish, alright. I expected that poo poo from Acer or Asus or maybe even Dell (they sorta did, though, didn't they?), but from Lenovo and on their business line of all things? loving incredible.


It's just outright pathetic considering there's a $300 chromebook with a respectable screen out there and yet Lenovo can't be bothered to do that for their $700+ machines without paying a premium.

I'm probably gonna pick up a refurb T-series some time next year just to dick around with, so hopefully I can get one with the better screen.

Dell's was stupidity rather than malicious, and a fairly easy fix. They left a default certificate in the Windows install that made their laptops wide open to man-in-the-middle attacks because it would pass all security certificates without checking them.

Boozie
Feb 2, 2013

This looks really great for the money. The only thing I'm really struggling with is determining if I'd be able to install a 2nd HD inside.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

A few reviews mention a free SATA bay, though apparently no screws. 2.5", obviously.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Aphrodite posted:

A few reviews mention a free SATA bay, though apparently no screws. 2.5", obviously.
Yeah, here's someone saying that for apparently that exact model. There's supposed to be a video of him opening the bottom panel at the bottom of the page, I think, but it doesn't load properly for me. Maybe someone else has better luck with that.

Eikre
May 2, 2009
Fukkin christmas shopping.

I'm looking at folding 2-in-1s and trying to find something small with good build quality and battery life. I'm very interested in finding something more economical than a Surface Book that nonetheless shares its squarer aspect ratio, and if you like listening to grognards for some reason, I would be happy to complain about the market preponderance to "widescreen" for you. I'm aiming for a moderate resolution (1680x1050 or so), and as long as it has an SSD, I'm not worried about the computational specs unless they are aggressively awful.

Right now I'm kind of dialed into the Yoga 3 11", but since it's a Lenovo, I'm curious about its build quality. I could drop a couple hundred more on the pro model if that would ensure a more solid machine. They also make a Thinkpad version, but since this is lenovo-original design and there would be basically zero inherited engineering from the IBM days, I can't imagine the name is worth anything on its own. Interestingly, the Yoga 2 Pro is also still relevant, purportedly having the same battery life and a better (non-mobile) processor while being only moderately heavier than its successor.

I've read the past 20 pages and it seems that, pertaining to this sort of machine, nobody has any of the solid, dictatorial authority that I usually like seeing in recommendations for Goons. Nonetheless, I'm hoping to hear your opinions.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Eikre posted:

I'm looking at folding 2-in-1s and trying to find something small with good build quality and battery life.

Why? They're all far too bulky to use as tablets anyway so I don't see why you'd pick one over a normal laptop.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

The screen size isn't happening.

Your other option to consider is an HP Spectre.

Eikre
May 2, 2009

dissss posted:

Why? They're all far too bulky to use as tablets anyway so I don't see why you'd pick one over a normal laptop.

Well, unlike detachables and flipcovers, folders retain a form-factor that is so close to an ordinary laptop that, in theory, you're not trading much away. The tablet configuration is inappropriate for banging around with for extended periods, but it's a pretty good alternative when you're using the machine over your crossed legs, or when you need to carry it over to show somebody something and would prefer not to cradle it awkwardly in a topheavy configuration. The "easel" configuration is also underrated: it is a very good way of drawing the display closer to you without the footprint encroaching on your workspace, and it provides a comfortable and angle-adjustable means of manipulating the touch-screen without suspending your arm over a keyboard. If you're actually bringing your laptop everywhere and expect to be working with it in places like the university laboratory or while you're seated in a vehicle, it begins to make a lot of sense.

Granted, when you opt for this style of machine, you do limit your choices and probably pay a little more than you need to. If the intended recipient hadn't articulated a specific desire for one, I wouldn't be looking, but it's what she wants and I can certainly appreciate why.

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
Get her an XPS 13 with the QHD touchscreen and she'll be a lot happier instead of with a 2-in-1. I just got one in the last few weeks and it's finally a laptop that I feel like I could take anywhere that runs well, is light as hell and doesn't have a cripplingly short battery life.

I tried the 2-in-1 formfactor myself and found it really awkward and uncomfortable in practice.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Eikre posted:

Right now I'm kind of dialed into the Yoga 3 11", but since it's a Lenovo, I'm curious about its build quality.
Fondled one of those in the shop and the trackpad had the infuriating property of giving haptic click feedback before actually registering a click. So it clicks, you feel it click, you hear it click and then you have to push down another fair bit before you have actually clicked. I'm not sure if it was just the one they had there? I'm sure you could get used to it; the guy in the store swore up and down he didn't notice anything wrong. I insta-hated it, though specs wise and screen wise it was pretty much exactly what we were looking for.

Paperhouse
Dec 31, 2008

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Think I'm going to buy either a T450 or an X250 - given that their specs are nearly identical is it really just the size of them that would sway it either way?

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Eikre posted:

Fukkin christmas shopping.

I'm looking at folding 2-in-1s and trying to find something small with good build quality and battery life. I'm very interested in finding something more economical than a Surface Book that nonetheless shares its squarer aspect ratio, and if you like listening to grognards for some reason, I would be happy to complain about the market preponderance to "widescreen" for you. I'm aiming for a moderate resolution (1680x1050 or so), and as long as it has an SSD, I'm not worried about the computational specs unless they are aggressively awful.

Right now I'm kind of dialed into the Yoga 3 11", but since it's a Lenovo, I'm curious about its build quality. I could drop a couple hundred more on the pro model if that would ensure a more solid machine. They also make a Thinkpad version, but since this is lenovo-original design and there would be basically zero inherited engineering from the IBM days, I can't imagine the name is worth anything on its own. Interestingly, the Yoga 2 Pro is also still relevant, purportedly having the same battery life and a better (non-mobile) processor while being only moderately heavier than its successor.

I've read the past 20 pages and it seems that, pertaining to this sort of machine, nobody has any of the solid, dictatorial authority that I usually like seeing in recommendations for Goons. Nonetheless, I'm hoping to hear your opinions.

Go look at the HP Pavilion x360. Make sure it's the newer model (x360 11t) with two swivel mounts instead of one long one. It's a tubby little bastard with decent battery life, quad-core, and an IPS display.

Basch lives!
May 31, 2011
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Butt Savage posted:

Oh yeah, I read about Mr. Fish, alright. I expected that poo poo from Acer or Asus or maybe even Dell (they sorta did, though, didn't they?), but from Lenovo and on their business line of all things? loving incredible.

It was never in their business line.

Inverse square
Jan 21, 2008
Ah but you see I was an 06 lurker
Hey folks, power supply question. I'm looking at getting a laptop that comes with a 1kg, 180w power supply. I *do* want to be able to move around reasonably and so I am happy to part with $100 or more for an adapter that is 0.2kg lighter (money comes from an expense account anyway).

I'm looking at getting one of these http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/defianceII-15/ (don't worry about why, I have my reasons) does anyone know how to check and be sure about getting compatible power supplies? I know it voids the warranty. I'm happy to stay at 180w so long as I can be guaranteed there will be no monkey business.

Inverse square fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Dec 15, 2015

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Basch lives. posted:

It was never in their business line.

Superfish wasn't, but the Customer Feedback Program adware was.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

dissss posted:

Why? They're all far too bulky to use as tablets anyway so I don't see why you'd pick one over a normal laptop.

What's an iPad, 7 or 9 inches? Even an 11.6" 2-in-1 is a loving joke. Also 16:9 :lol:

In all seriousness you can't have something like that that's good at two things. Unless you could just rip the keyboard off it and have a regular tablet.

I'd compromise the PC part before the tablet part, IMO.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

He already said he doesn't want a tablet, he wants a laptop with a display that's more flexible for presentation.

Longbike
Sep 7, 2011
I am currently on the fence regarding purchasing a SP4 to replace my Asus Vivotab and my Yoga 2 pro. I used the Asus for taking handwritten notes and sketching at work until the digitizer stopped working (just out of warranty, naturally) and use the Yoga for presenting in meetings and doing work which our hilariously crappy and poorly configured corporate laptops cannot do (these things are restricted to running a locked down version of IE9 and even cannot use Lucidchart, which I have to use a LOT for work)

My thinking is that a SP4 could replace both of these devices, particularly with the optional docking station and a couple of spare monitors which I can beg from our office IT guy. I'm not super enamored with the configurations available though- the M3 version could probably run everything I need just fine and I like the fact that it is fanless, but the 4 GB of ram seems really chintzy.

I don't really want to pay a $400 premium just for an additional 4 gigs of ram (don't care about the drive size since I'll use cloud storage and chuck a microSD card in if I ever need extra local storage), but I also don't want to be regretting not having that 8 gigs of memory 2 years from now. Any thoughts?

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

Longbike posted:

I am currently on the fence regarding purchasing a SP4 to replace my Asus Vivotab and my Yoga 2 pro. I used the Asus for taking handwritten notes and sketching at work until the digitizer stopped working (just out of warranty, naturally) and use the Yoga for presenting in meetings and doing work which our hilariously crappy and poorly configured corporate laptops cannot do (these things are restricted to running a locked down version of IE9 and even cannot use Lucidchart, which I have to use a LOT for work)

My thinking is that a SP4 could replace both of these devices, particularly with the optional docking station and a couple of spare monitors which I can beg from our office IT guy. I'm not super enamored with the configurations available though- the M3 version could probably run everything I need just fine and I like the fact that it is fanless, but the 4 GB of ram seems really chintzy.

I don't really want to pay a $400 premium just for an additional 4 gigs of ram (don't care about the drive size since I'll use cloud storage and chuck a microSD card in if I ever need extra local storage), but I also don't want to be regretting not having that 8 gigs of memory 2 years from now. Any thoughts?

It would probably be really good for the use cases you describe. But you will want the extra RAM, no doubt about that.

Stumiester
Dec 3, 2004

"Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent."
This might be more a tech report thing, but does anyone have juddering/freezing after waking up their laptop from sleep?

I have the recommended 960m Dell, and its is absolutely perfect except for this problem. Don't know if its a dell thing, a nvidia hard/software thing, or a Windows 10 thing...

Edit: it usually means I end up restarting my laptop every time I open it which takes... 10 seconds? So not a huge problem. Still, best to avoid if I can.

Stumiester fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Dec 16, 2015

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.
Is there any reason I shouldn't grab a cheap refurb Latitude E7450 to replace my T430s?

It'd be a 5300u with 8GB RAM and a 256GB SSD

Seems slightly lighter weight and still has a trackpoint but comes with a 1080p IPS screen (which even if it isn't fantastic has to be better than the ThinkPad) and should have double the battery life

George Kansas
Sep 1, 2008

preface all my posts with this
So I recently returned a Surface Book due to a multitude of software issues I didn't feel were worth waiting to be fixed in addition to my own admittedly all-too-high expectations for the GPU.

I'm looking around for a replacement and decided I don't really need tablet functionality at all since I've also recently upgraded to a Note 5 and that pretty much handles all my media consumption/note-taking needs.

I'm currently trying to decide between pulling the trigger on the 4K i7 XPS 15 that the Microsoft Store currently has in stock or waiting for the MacBook Pro refresh that is supposedly coming early and should theoretically upgrade the 15" model wayyy more than this year's refresh did.

I really like the way the XPS looks but I have a couple of questions if anyone's dealt with it since I don't live near a MS Store and Best Buy doesn't have it on demo. Is the 4K display too glossy? I hear the 1080 display is a great matte but I'd prefer the 4K if it's not too reflective. Does the trackpad have bad software support like most Windows laptops or is W10 actually good with that stuff now? And is it light enough to use on your lap comfortably or is it really more of a desk workstation? This is all anecdote stuff really so I appreciate any feedback!

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

Butt Savage posted:

but from Lenovo and on their business line of all things?
The IBM ThinkPad T43 was the pinnacle of PC notebook design when it came out ten years ago: fairly modular, very-well built, well documented, easily field serviced. Lenovo kept the basic ThinkPad game going since IBM sold it to them and did a reasonable job of it. But the world has moved onto Ultrabook designs for better or worse. Important, though, is that the old ThinkPad design doesn't translate to an Ultrabook--it has to be redesigned from the ground up. That puts Lenovo in fair competition with Dell, Acer, and others who are all trying to do the same thing. Not to say that Lenovo can't make a good ultrabook, but the Dell XPS makes a serious play against them.

How does this relate to screens? ThinkPads have been using the same TN panels since they switched to widescreen in the T61 models. I'm sure they continue to sell them as the baseline screen because it's the baseline screen.

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

I just go myself a Dell XPS 15 9550 as a kind of early christmas present. Great machine, just one flaw: The fans are on even if the machine is doing nothing whilst connected to AC power. Is there a way to remedy or limit this, or a way to outright control the fans?

edit: Reinstalling solved this. I suspect dell software is implicated.

champagne posting fucked around with this message at 09:56 on Dec 17, 2015

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007

BottleKnight posted:

I really like the way the XPS looks but I have a couple of questions if anyone's dealt with it since I don't live near a MS Store and Best Buy doesn't have it on demo. Is the 4K display too glossy? I hear the 1080 display is a great matte but I'd prefer the 4K if it's not too reflective. Does the trackpad have bad software support like most Windows laptops or is W10 actually good with that stuff now? And is it light enough to use on your lap comfortably or is it really more of a desk workstation? This is all anecdote stuff really so I appreciate any feedback!

I bought the Dell XPS 13 256gb/i5/8gb RAM a couple weeks back:

I haven't found the 4k display too glossy, but I'm also not using the machine in direct sunlight very often. I'd imagine that if you tried to use it outside during the day in full sun it could be problematic unless you maxed the brightness. For reference, I have my brightness set at 30% and I still find it plenty bright indoors. I originally had the 1080p matte screen but my unit had/developed hardware issues after a week (the screen flickering issue you may have read about) so I exchanged it, and the QHD+ screen was the only available option at the time.

The trackpad is good. It's a precision as you might expect, including pinch zoom, control panel access (four finger tap), application switch (three finger swipe) etc. I haven't had any sensitivity issues and the scrolling is fine.

I can confidently say the machine is amazingly light and comfortable enough to use on my lap on the couch or in bed, and I don't think I've ever used a laptop or tablet where I could say that. It also barely warms on the underside.

The XPS 15 is about a pound heavier, I think. I do light/indie gaming on my machine so I didn't care about having a dedicated graphics card. If you do then I'd probably go with the 15, if you're less of a PC gamer then I would go for the 13.

Nitis
Mar 22, 2003

Amused? I think not.
Are laptop prices expected to go down in January?

I was looking at this machine. The current deal looks pretty good, but I'd read that prices may get better next month.

dhamster
Aug 5, 2013

I got into my car and ate my chalupa with a feeling of accomplishment.
Could someone point me toward a good tutorial on how to transfer my documents/important crap off a laptop? I'm getting a new computer soon but I'm going to be doing a full wipe/fresh windows install of the old one so I can give it to a relative.

George Kansas
Sep 1, 2008

preface all my posts with this

a shameful boehner posted:

I bought the Dell XPS 13 256gb/i5/8gb RAM a couple weeks back:

I haven't found the 4k display too glossy, but I'm also not using the machine in direct sunlight very often. I'd imagine that if you tried to use it outside during the day in full sun it could be problematic unless you maxed the brightness. For reference, I have my brightness set at 30% and I still find it plenty bright indoors. I originally had the 1080p matte screen but my unit had/developed hardware issues after a week (the screen flickering issue you may have read about) so I exchanged it, and the QHD+ screen was the only available option at the time.

The trackpad is good. It's a precision as you might expect, including pinch zoom, control panel access (four finger tap), application switch (three finger swipe) etc. I haven't had any sensitivity issues and the scrolling is fine.

I can confidently say the machine is amazingly light and comfortable enough to use on my lap on the couch or in bed, and I don't think I've ever used a laptop or tablet where I could say that. It also barely warms on the underside.

The XPS 15 is about a pound heavier, I think. I do light/indie gaming on my machine so I didn't care about having a dedicated graphics card. If you do then I'd probably go with the 15, if you're less of a PC gamer then I would go for the 13.

Thank you! I game enough and do video editing here and there so I'm definitely heading for the 15 but that's very good to know. I know 4K will probably do a doozy on the battery life but it looks like a worthwhile upgrade considering the amount of screen in that little laptop.

And 4.5 pounds seems crazy light for that amount of hardware!

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
It's not even 4.5 - my XPS 13 is 2.75 lbs and I think the XPS 15 is 3.8.

I'm still consistently amazed at the screen when opening the laptop and/or watching 4k videos, which it handles like a champ. I have gotten about 8 hours of battery life with my usage habits, screen set between 30-70% brightness, streaming videos, downloading large files, and a few light games like HOMM3. I wonder if the Intel 520 graphics chip could handle Civ V...

Be wary of scaling issues. I just ran into my first one when trying to use SOAPUI, and SOAPUI is not at all capable of handling a super-high DPI screen. Interface text got resized to about 8pt. font, and there aren't any options to change it to scale appropriately that I can find.

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Paperhouse
Dec 31, 2008

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Paperhouse posted:

Think I'm going to buy either a T450 or an X250 - given that their specs are nearly identical is it really just the size of them that would sway it either way?

Quoting this

I've read around and it seems as though the X250 screen is much nicer too. I'm used to a 15.6" laptop though and am wondering if I want a screen that small, even if it is nicer. Is the T450 screen really that bad? Bear in mind that I'm using a Lenovo G550 at the moment which was a budget consumer laptop even 5 years ago when I got it, and I don't really have an issue with the screen, though I've not had much to compare it to. Help me decide, I keep swaying between them!

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