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pathetic little tramp posted:College is a little different, but the idea is the same on the wild expansion side. The attitude at basically every minor-league college team (Your Charlottes, your Old Dominions, your Universities of South Alabama) is that they are going to make it big somehow someday so they spend major money trying to emulate Oklahoma and Alabama. But there's no salary cap in college football, hell there are no salaries. It doesn't matter if North Texas builds a player facility that's 10x better than Alabama's, Alabama will still get those 5-star recruits because they are Alabama. And eventually when the latest hype bubble of college sports dies off (and when college football's popularity starts to wane a little, which is already starting), there are going to be a lot of people asking why we spent 68 million dollars on an athletic training facility for a football team that finished last in the Sun Belt three years running.
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pathetic little tramp posted:Basically the best-kept secret in college sports is the whole system is really loving unsustainable (and is also pretty much the only thing keeping cable in existence). There are going to be a lot of cheques to cash someday and the proverbial funds to back them up aren't going to be there anymore. It's honestly a lot like the Arena Football fad of the late 1990s. Kurt Warner leads the Barnstormers in some really good games and the AFL gets a swelled head, creates af2 with 26(!) teams, and thinks they're going to be the 5th major sport. My girlfriend watches college football (I never saw a game until about three years ago) and I constantly see these ridiculous blowout games and I just don't understand the point of watching something like that. The rivalry games can be a little exciting since they are somewhat evenly matched but when team with a huge football department goes up against Podunk U it's just painful to watch.
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Radish posted:My girlfriend watches college football (I never saw a game until about three years ago) and I constantly see these ridiculous blowout games and I just don't understand the point of watching something like that. The rivalry games can be a little exciting since they are somewhat evenly matched but when team with a huge football department and a million dollar salary coach goes up against Podunk U it's just painful to watch. Podunk U makes tons of money from those games. Also sometimes they beat Huge State U and it's the best.
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Radish posted:My girlfriend watches college football (I never saw a game until about three years ago) and I constantly see these ridiculous blowout games and I just don't understand the point of watching something like that. The rivalry games can be a little exciting since they are somewhat evenly matched but when team with a huge football department goes up against Podunk U it's just painful to watch. The average MoV is pretty small, tbh. zoux posted:Podunk U makes tons of money from those games. But also this. Schools like NE Louisiana State play teams like Michigan to pay the bills.
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quote:Sen. Ted Cruz is a diehard fan of “The Princess Bride,” but one of the film’s stars, Mandy Patinkin, says the Texas Republican isn’t “putting forth ideas that are at the heart of what that movie is all about.” Mandy Patinkin seems like one of the world's best people.
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Dec 14, 2015 21:28
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:They're already, in theory, making money off their image, in that everything they do get is basically paid for that way. As for worker's comp -- I think you're probably not that far off from seeing some sort of long-term care operation for former players. Though often if a player gets hurt during the season, it's completely covered by their team. Like a player who blows out their knee isn't going to pay for. But the student will pay for the rest of their life, even if the school covers the medical bills for 4 years: quote:The NCAA reports there are 20,718 college football injuries a year, with 841 of those spinal injuries. The National Center for Catastrophic Sports Injury Research has recorded a steady rise in the number of football players who have permanent disability due to cervical cord and brain injuries. Those are people who are as a group are going to have a real risk lifetime medical costs, while that school (and their corporate partners) could potentially continue to make money off their image long after they are dead.
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Radish posted:My girlfriend watches college football (I never saw a game until about three years ago) and I constantly see these ridiculous blowout games and I just don't understand the point of watching something like that. The rivalry games can be a little exciting since they are somewhat evenly matched but when team with a huge football department goes up against Podunk U it's just painful to watch. The rivalry games are fun to watch, which is why Alabama/ Auburn / Texas / Nebraska / Penn State - your big boys are pretty much fine no matter what. But yeah you're right, these cupcake matches are pretty boring and when a cupcake like Tulsa stops getting a game with Oklahoma (because Oklahoma is tired of the lovely attendance of the Tulsa game at Gaylord / maybe OU decides they get a better exhibition game out of North Texas and they can play closer to their huge alumni base in Dallas?), they'll have to resort to their big payday games being against some major 5 loser like Iowa State, creating a vortex of suck even die hard Cyclone fans will decide maybe they can check in on during commercials of the Missouri-Illinois game. And I can pretty much guarantee Iowa State isn't going to pay as much as the Sooners. edited to add: Of course, Tulsa will still hang around - there are hundreds of college football programs nationwide, with DI-A, I-AA (FBS and FCS), D-II, and D-III. There's even the government cheese feeling of NAIA football if you're looking for a reason to drink bailey's in the bleachers. But there's so much money going into the non-major FBS programs that's just not creating results and soon enough people will have to stop not noticing. pathetic little tramp fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Trabisnikof posted:But the student will pay for the rest of their life, even if the school covers the medical bills for 4 years: And guess who almost always pays for that treatment? The school or boosters. I am fully aware of the need for more comprehensive aftercare -- I am just saying it's not entirely the way you're casting it.
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Every year it gets harder and harder to like football.
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zoux posted:Every year it gets harder and harder to like football. Just wait till Texas hires Tom Herman next year and then you'll be fine again.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Just wait till Texas hires Tom Herman next year and then you'll be fine again. I doubt that since Charlie and co. made a Pilgrimage of Penitence to Tulsa to hire their loving OC this weekend. I just mean on top of the labor exploitation, fighting hard against CTE research, covering up/ignoring abuse from and towards players, etc. I love the game, just all the stuff attendant to it.
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zoux posted:I doubt that since Charlie and co. made a Pilgrimage of Penitence to Tulsa to hire their loving OC this weekend. lol if you think gilbert is going to save that mess.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:lol if you think gilbert is going to save that mess. I don't but I don't think they are going to fire him next year unless the whole staff goes and then we got bigger problems than just not having Rutgers' OC.
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zoux posted:Mandy Patinkin seems like one of the world's best people. http://www.tvguide.com/news/mandy-patinkin-regrets-criminal-minds-1053095/ quote:During a recent interview with New York Magazine, Patinkin opened up about his abrupt exit from the CBS procedural in 2007 after only two seasons. "The biggest public mistake I ever made was that I chose to do Criminal Minds in the first place," Patinkin said. "I thought it was something very different. I never thought they were going to kill and rape all these women every night, every day, week after week, year after year. It was very destructive to my soul and my personality. After that, I didn't think I would get to work in television again."
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zoux posted:I doubt that since Charlie and co. made a Pilgrimage of Penitence to Tulsa to hire their loving OC this weekend. There's next to zero effort put into ensuring college football is a good product on the field. Without any real controls, salary caps, or methods like the NFL uses to force some level of parity, you end up with lots of blowouts one way or another. You often get a chance to watch zero actually competitive games each Saturday. I'm not saying the NFL is any paragon here (they're horrible at guessing which games are going to be good enough to place into primetime spots, and Thursday football is generally of garbage quality later in the season) but it seems lightyears ahead of watching semi-pro players from the SEC or Florida beat up on the sisters of the poor most weeks. You're not only getting a poor product, there's a bunch of exploitation to get that poor product. Unless you just want to watch young kids marginally affiliated with your college beat up some chumps.
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I used to watch my home state's official college football team (The Ohio State University) fairly often, but now I only care if they're in the championship. Overall, it should be really obvious that College Football is complete poo poo since there is such a huge loving disparity of talent that you pretty much have to be undefeated to be in consideration for a championship. Actually, that is only partially true. It also takes into account how badly you were able to beat lovely teams. fade5 posted:I can definitely understand, I got burned out on watching Criminal Minds; it just got so depressing after a while. I make fun of my wife all the time because most of the shows she watches are murder shows. Yea, technically they are crime procedurals, or whatever the gently caress. Some are more serious than others (Hawaii Five-O and Castle), but they all start out with people dying, and maybe even more people dying before the end of an episode. At one point in the late 90's/early 2000's, I wondered if the amount of murders in all murder shows that took place in New York were actually more than the people who were actually murdered in that same town. I'm pretty sure the statistics don't bear that out, though. Doctor Butts fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Doctor Butts posted:I used to watch my home state's official college football team (The Ohio State University) fairly often, but now I only care if they're in the championship. And don't forget strength of schedule. Now the committee will gently caress anyone outside the power conferences out of a bowl bid even if they undefeated. Not only do schools like Alabama get a huge recruiting advantage, they get losses forgiven by playing better opponents. At this point it basically turns the whole thing into a popularity contest, where most teams are locked out before the first snap of the season regardless of record.
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rkajdi posted:And don't forget strength of schedule. Now the committee will gently caress anyone outside the power conferences out of a bowl bid even if they undefeated. Not only do schools like Alabama get a huge recruiting advantage, they get losses forgiven by playing better opponents. At this point it basically turns the whole thing into a popularity contest, where most teams are locked out before the first snap of the season regardless of record. You mean it wasn't before?????
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rkajdi posted:And don't forget strength of schedule. Now the committee will gently caress anyone outside the power conferences out of a bowl bid even if they undefeated. Not only do schools like Alabama get a huge recruiting advantage, they get losses forgiven by playing better opponents. At this point it basically turns the whole thing into a popularity contest, where most teams are locked out before the first snap of the season regardless of record. This poo poo is just loving terrible. gently caress the whole thing.
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Pol of the day: Los Angeles County Supervisor Sheila Kuehl. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFtNzZH1gDM
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College athletes are the most infuriating students you can actually try and teach.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:You mean it wasn't before????? Arguably not because you sometimes got teams like Boise State in the big games. That poo poo isn't happening anymore. It will be the same dozen or so programs in the playoffs every year.
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Joementum posted:Pol of the day: Los Angeles County Supervisor Sheila Kuehl. Is she an out lesbian or was he just assuming?
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zoux posted:Is she an out lesbian or was he just assuming? Turns out she is, but that guy might have just been assuming. Also, she was a child actress on Dobie Gillis.
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Joementum posted:Pol of the day: Los Angeles County Supervisor Sheila Kuehl. That was pretty good. Unzip and Attack posted:Arguably not because you sometimes got teams like Boise State in the big games. That poo poo isn't happening anymore. It will be the same dozen or so programs in the playoffs every year. So, uh, you don't know what you're talking about I see. In the old rules, if a non-BCS team was ranked 8th or higher, they qualified for a BCS bowl -- and they got shoved into whoever had last pick that year. Under the new rules, the committee is required to select, for the NY6 (the BCS Equiv) the highest ranked of the p5 schools, so long as they are ranked in the top 25. Last year Boise State played Arizona in the Fiesta Bowl. This year Houston is playing Florida State in the Peach Bowl. The chances of a non-P5 team making the CFB are probably higher with the committee, to be frank, than one of them making top 2 in the BCS polling era.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:You mean it wasn't before????? Compared to what it is now, not in the slightest. This is the first year for the committee, and you saw them do stuff like put Alabama (who lost to a scrub team early on) ahead of lots of undefeated teams in early voting. And the usual rule that you have to have someone above you lose to move around is also no longer as true. The whole thing is just a big hand jibber for the SEC. I'd just shrug my shoulders and not care about the whole thing if it wasn't for the massive exploitation of the kids involved in the game. It's becoming more and more obvious that football permanently fucks with your health via CTE. At least the pro players get huge payouts to make up for this. College players just get to watch a bunch of old white men get rich off their labor while they get nothing. And the fact that most of these schools are public while serving as the farm teams for the NFL free of charge just reeks of corporate welfare. I'd be fine if we just went back to intermural or even no sports at all on campus. But I'm also one of those dirty idiots who doesn't bleed for his school and just used games as an excuse to drink.
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rkajdi posted:Compared to what it is now, not in the slightest. This is the first year for the committee, and you saw them do stuff like put Alabama (who lost to a scrub team early on) ahead of lots of undefeated teams in early voting. And the usual rule that you have to have someone above you lose to move around is also no longer as true. The whole thing is just a big hand jibber for the SEC. Once again, it's nice when people just actively don't know what they're talking about, but want to pretend they're smart. This is the second year of the committee and CFB. There was literally no drama this year over who were in for the top 4, only some qualms about their seeding. Alabama lost to a team that finished 9-3 and second in their conference. Please, do so really basic research before posting again.
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If you mean the initial CFP Rankings, they literally mean nothing since the committee starts with a clean slate each week -- which has actually been one of the criticisms of the system. On other hand, the old system did have pre-season rankings baked in and that inertia is hard to overcome. But literally no one who watches football and has informed opinions looked at the four teams selected this year and went "waaaaa someone else deserved a chance."
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zoux posted:Undefeated teams such as ????? and ?????? UIndy!
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While there are boring cupcake matchups, there are so many teams that there's bound to be at least a couple good matchups every week. No one watches every single cfb game. Maybe every one of your schools games if you're really into it. But as entertainment, there's a good game every week. And because the teams abd the fans are so into it, it's like getting a superbowl every week. I absolutely love college ball. Even without the parity you fund in the nfl, cfb is entertaining. The size and skill level is totally different. Trick plays work. The loving option works. And you get some ridiculous mismatches. Sometimes it's fun as hell to see a guy whose destined to go in the first round go up against a guy whose going to be working in a car dealership and watch him get trucked for three hours.
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Holy crap, there is no way food chat is more boring than this bullshit.Ron Jeremy posted:Sometimes it's fun as hell to see a guy whose destined to go in the first round go up against a guy whose going to be working in a car dealership and watch him get trucked for three hours. At least the honesty makes it worth it. When you put it this way, it seems pretty goddamned American.
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College football apparently has a lot to do with US Politics? Don't they have a whole sub forum for this stuff?
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Radbot posted:Holy crap, there is no way food chat is more boring than this bullshit. fits my needs posted:College football apparently has a lot to do with US Politics? Don't they have a whole sub forum for this stuff? They usually combine this WITH food chat!
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Once again, it's nice when people just actively don't know what they're talking about, but want to pretend they're smart. Alabama was placed above teams that were undefeated as soon as the first rankings came out. It was all that was being talked about on ESPN while I was waiting around for stuff about the NFL games. By the end of the year things might have worked themselves out, but it already sent the message that being in a major conference is more important than having a better record. I saw that and immediately stopped giving a poo poo, since people were obviously willing to forgive schedule for less directly calculatable things. Say what you want about pro sports, but at least the rules for the playoffs are clear and objective. Voting just ends up in some broken beauty pagent bullshit.
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A Winner is Jew posted:There's nothing wrong with being gay though. I'm sorry for not making this clear before.
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fits my needs posted:College football apparently has a lot to do with US Politics? Don't they have a whole sub forum for this stuff? Yes there is voting involved in playoff seeding I guess.
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MariusLecter posted:
Only muslims would support an Arabian horse over a true American (according to some amendment...) 
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fade5 posted:He had to quit working on Criminal Minds because it ate at his soul so much: sucks, but what did he expect when he joined. its a show about serial killers/rapers and the people who catch them. plus it had timm curry in monster make up and some dude who listened to puppets and made his victims into marronets. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Joementum posted:Pol of the day: Los Angeles County Supervisor Sheila Kuehl.
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