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I probably agree with amethyst on a lot of things so it's no biggie we just have very different approaches to this here forum.
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Okay fair enough I will join you on the 5 year memorial of the Hectorville hostage situation next year.
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It's not that complicated. -A bank robber taking hostages to slow down the cops: Not a terrorist -A maniac shooting up a planned parenthood clinic because he thinks abortion is murder: Terrorist -A drunk domestic abuser holding his wife hostage and demanding a helicopter so he can fly to mexico: not a terrorist -A guy holding several people hostage in a cafe demanding to speak to the prime minister so he can voice his demands about the west and islam: terrorist
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Tasmantor posted:I think drinking drano and walking off a cliff were " kill you are selves " types not "self harm like a boss" so yeah someone did ask others to die. I stand 100% corrected, sorry my brain glazes over when Amethyst posts, which also explains why I bother replying to him.
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Dec 15, 2015 05:48
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Amethyst posted:Uh that's what I was saying. Duh. Yeah, and "most hostage situations are terrorism, assuming you ignore most hostage situations" seemed like a pretty loving dumb thing to say.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yeah, and "most hostage situations are terrorism, assuming you ignore most hostage situations" seemed like a pretty loving dumb thing to say. The raw numbers argument again. Piss off with that dull poo poo. It's hardly a revelatory gotcha
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Dec 15, 2015 05:49
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gay picnic defence posted:Why not? Wasn't he trying to make a political or religious statement? Eh maybe, thats what it appeared to be. People will use all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify their behaviour.
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Dec 15, 2015 05:52
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Amethyst posted:The raw numbers argument again. Piss off with that dull poo poo. It's hardly a revelatory gotcha "Most hostage-taking terrorists are terrorists" is a glib, pointless tautology rather than an actual argument about whether and why he was a terrorist.
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Dec 15, 2015 05:53
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Doctor Spaceman posted:"Most hostage-taking terrorists are terrorists" is a glib, pointless tautology rather than an actual argument about whether and why he was a terrorist. Only if you ignore the second half of the sentence which you just specifically edited out. lmfao. Good faith poo poo my man.
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Dec 15, 2015 05:54
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Also I just gotta say, and this is probably a super unpopular opinion, I don't agree with the placement of a memorial or a shrine commemorating the Lindt cafe siege. I feel like at this time it'll just be a shrine to Islamaphobia or whatever and further used as justification for discrimination against Muslims in Australia.
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Dec 15, 2015 05:54
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Recoome posted:Eh maybe, thats what it appeared to be. People will use all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify their behaviour. Kind of like the mental gymnastics you're performing to avoid calling Monis a terrorist.
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Dec 15, 2015 05:54
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A guy took two people hostage in Victoria yesterday.
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Dec 15, 2015 05:55
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Recoome posted:Also I just gotta say, and this is probably a super unpopular opinion, I don't agree with the placement of a memorial or a shrine commemorating the Lindt cafe siege. I feel like at this time it'll just be a shrine to Islamaphobia or whatever and further used as justification for discrimination against Muslims in Australia. Were you in Sydney that day? I was. I was unable to leave my office building the entire day and had to calm down a co-worker who was terrified to the point of tears. It may seem like an abstraction, a small little corollary to the racist zeitgeist to you, but a hostage situation in a major city impacts a lot of people man.
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Dec 15, 2015 05:56
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Recoome posted:Also I just gotta say, and this is probably a super unpopular opinion, I don't agree with the placement of a memorial or a shrine commemorating the Lindt cafe siege. I feel like at this time it'll just be a shrine to Islamaphobia or whatever and further used as justification for discrimination against Muslims in Australia. I totally agree, also a big signal to any misfit that demands attention for their hosed up-ness is if they use certain codewords they too can live forever in the psyche of Australians with a big bold gesture. This is also a big part of what I don't like about the out of proportion media coverage of this whole mess.
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Amethyst posted:lmfao. Good faith poo poo my man. "Most people who take hostages are terrorists, unless they aren't" is a dumb thing to say, because it's essentially a tautology but also because the weasel-word of 'most' suggests that hostage-taking is related to terrorism far more frequently than not, which is clearly not true in Australia. How should I engage with that in good faith?
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Look I was going to write this gigantic effortpost about it all but I'm literally arguing with Amethyst so
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Doctor Spaceman posted:"Most people who take hostages are terrorists, unless they aren't" is a dumb thing to say, because it's essentially a tautology but also because the weasel-word of 'most' suggests that hostage-taking is related to terrorism far more frequently than not, which is clearly not true in Australia. How should I engage with that in good faith? I put the exceptional circumstances right there in my post. I'm not sure what psy op you think i'm running here but i reccomend you shut the gently caress up you pedantic hellfucker idiot.
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Amethyst, do you think you could at least change your shitted pants before continuing to post? You're starting to ming a bit.
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Starshark posted:Amethyst, do you think you could at least change your shitted pants before continuing to post? You're starting to ming a bit. Do you think you could post a single original thought, ever? Even a single thing? Because the only thing I've ever seen you do is agree with the majority of posters in this thread, and occasionally interject to more closely align yourself with them. You're a pathetic little hanger on, basically.
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Amethyst posted:Do you think you could post a single original thought, ever? Even a single thing? Because the only thing I've ever seen you do is agree with the majority of posters in this thread, and occasionally interject to more closely align yourself with them. You're a pathetic little hanger on, basically. Dude, who started this whole derail? I'm a trendsetter.
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I don't agree with the breeding part. The problems aren't racial, they are ideological. If, for example, one can breed with a Muslim woman and raise the children non-Muslim, then that is removing those potential Muslims from being born (as they would be if the male were Muslim), while creating more non-Muslims. If the partner and children are treated well and educated in both Arabic and Western culture, they can further intermingle and more easily convert other Muslims, while making reproduction with western males look more appealing to other Muslim women. (How could it not be more appealing than marrying an oppressive Muslim male?) Take their women, and you take their reproductive capacity. Mohammed understood this, as do the Muslim invaders of Europe...
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Recoome posted:I don't agree with the breeding part. The problems aren't racial, they are ideological. If, for example, one can breed with a Muslim woman and raise the children non-Muslim, then that is removing those potential Muslims from being born (as they would be if the male were Muslim), while creating more non-Muslims. If the partner and children are treated well and educated in both Arabic and Western culture, they can further intermingle and more easily convert other Muslims, while making reproduction with western males look more appealing to other Muslim women. (How could it not be more appealing than marrying an oppressive Muslim male?) Take their women, and you take their reproductive capacity. Mohammed understood this, as do the Muslim invaders of Europe... Don't you have a doco to work on Andrew?
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Recoome posted:I don't agree with the breeding part. The problems aren't racial, they are ideological. If, for example, one can breed with a Muslim woman and raise the children non-Muslim, then that is removing those potential Muslims from being born (as they would be if the male were Muslim), while creating more non-Muslims. If the partner and children are treated well and educated in both Arabic and Western culture, they can further intermingle and more easily convert other Muslims, while making reproduction with western males look more appealing to other Muslim women. (How could it not be more appealing than marrying an oppressive Muslim male?) Take their women, and you take their reproductive capacity. Mohammed understood this, as do the Muslim invaders of Europe... Source your quotes
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https://www.facebook.com/unitedpatriotsfront/photos/a.107033656297762.1073741828.106736366327491/208593802808413/?type=3&theater
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Recoome posted:https://www.facebook.com/unitedpatriotsfront/photos/a.107033656297762.1073741828.106736366327491/208593802808413/?type=3&theater Nut hunting is a waste of time, friend. I recommend stopping before you become a bitter addict.
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Gotta catch 'em all
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Dec 15, 2015 06:15
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Recoome posted:Gotta catch 'em all I like them quoting known successful cultural group The Spartans whose wise traditions have ensured they still exist and wield strong power in the world scene today.
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Amethyst posted:Nut hunting is a waste of time, friend. I recommend stopping before you become a bitter addict. Recoome posted:Gotta catch 'em all Here this might help
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I think you made a mistake, that link goes to my post history? Maybe you got the keyboard shortcut wrong or something
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Amethyst posted:I think you made a mistake, that link goes to my post history? Maybe you got the keyboard shortcut wrong or something 
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This thread is reason enough to radicalise imo
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tithin posted:This thread is reason enough to radicalise imo You were already rad as gently caress though 
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Recoome posted:Eh maybe, thats what it appeared to be. People will use all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify their behaviour. Yeah but then you start making guesses at to whether or not they really mean it, is it just the psychosis and all that sort of stuff. Recoome posted:Also I just gotta say, and this is probably a super unpopular opinion, I don't agree with the placement of a memorial or a shrine commemorating the Lindt cafe siege. I feel like at this time it'll just be a shrine to Islamaphobia or whatever and further used as justification for discrimination against Muslims in Australia. Depends. If it is something small and tasteful like a plaque then it would be fine, but some grandiose monument would send the wrong message.
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gay picnic defence posted:Depends. If it is something small and tasteful like a plague then it would be fine, but some grandiose monument would send the wrong message. FTFY
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gay picnic defence posted:Depends. If it is something small and tasteful like a plaque then it would be fine, but some grandiose monument would send the wrong message.  But I don't think people will even take notice of it. There's a plaque commemorating another terrorist attack only 500m away and nobody even knows it's there.
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open24hours posted:It seems so sensible, I'm surprised no one has tried to understand the relationship between radical Islam and geopolitics before. Lid and Amethyst seem to be victims of a shifting Overton window. Or to put it another way: they have heard the lie so many times, they believe it to be true.
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hyperbowl posted:It's not small, but it'll just look like flowers on the ground. That'd be cool. It's hard to see the neo nazis rallying around a heap of little flowers on the ground.
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