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Junpei posted:I watched a let's play of this game on YouTube, and the transformed Fafnir has a different sprite. Does it change over the course of story mode? Yes. His original state looks like a demonic version of his human self, then he gets the version in this LP before the fourth Stratum. 
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Yes. His original state looks like a demonic version of his human self, then he gets the version in this LP before the fourth Stratum. SO BADASS!
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Update 10: Snake Joke  I grinded for a bit to get some Gel Cores to get unlocks I was missing. If you want an idea of how painful that was, not only did nearly everyone gain a level, but: * Out of roughly 30 battles or so, I had TWO CUBE GEL ENCOUNTERS, and only ONE gave a Gel Core drop. * I ran out of hard drive space on my SSD trying to record it and didn't notice until I'd distributed everyone's skill points. So I lost the footage of the level ups. They were all uninteresting anyway.   The results of the latest ad campaign.  I also upgraded the East Ward to the point where the Clinic Medics moved in. I have my reasons for this.  And before we go, I set up some new ad campaigns.    If you'll remember last time, we absolutely trounced the Boar Captain that's supposed to be the backbone of a puzzle in the lower left section over there. We'll be going through the area you're intended to go through before proceeding.    Oh yeah, I didn't post the Wereboar profile last update since we didn't really fight them.  Wereboar HP: 204, STR: 15, VIT: 12 Skills:
A boar that wanders Ginnungagap. It prefers to stampede first and ask questions later. Pretty unremarkable enemies. They don't hit that hard and go down pretty easily. Be wary of them when they're summoned by a Boar Captain, though, since Boar Captains use them for Command Boars.  The Wereboar didn't even get a chance to hit me.   There really is nothing interesting about this area, it's just a bunch of dead ends you have to go through to set up the puzzle.   Ah, something interesting.  Dread Hydra HP: 381, STR: 17, VIT: 15 Skills:
The central head directs all the others, with their sharp, fearsome fangs. Dread Hydras got demoted from being lategame FOEs in EO2 to a normal Ginnungagap B1F encounter here. Horror Banquet can pretty easily kill one or even two people if you get unlucky with the random-target RNG, but the Dread Hydra's weakness to head binds will make them completely worthless. These things shouldn't give you too much trouble.    You can see how much damage Horror Banquet normally does here. Ursa would be pretty seriously hurt if the Dread Hydra wasn't blinded.     If the Boar Captain were still alive, we'd be able to bolt for the door before it could catch us once the bridge is lowered.   If Hit-Taker was one level higher, Ursa would've died from tanking that last hit. That's something you have to be very careful with when using a Beast: they're effective tanks, and have lots of HP, but they can still only take so much damage.  Dread Hydras pretty much only ever show up in battles alone, though, so while Horror Banquet can hurt pretty badly, they generally don't have any follow-up to capitalize on the damage.   I could just kill every Boar Captain we come across, but having to go back to town for every single one would get really annoying, really fast.   So here's the puzzle for this boar. You remember how we could get around the Raptors by just circling around piles of rubble?         Same principle here. If a Boar Captain doesn't have a path to chase you with, due to drawbridges being raised, it'll de-aggro and just walk to a certain spot.   Can never have too many of these.   It's kind of hard to see here, but there's anther 3x3 tile area with a hollow center to the south of where we're standing. The goal here is to lure the boar we're looking at right now to that area, then lure the other one near the door to where we are right now. Seems simple enough, right?   One down.   And we can proceed now. This is why I'm opting to do the puzzle instead of killing every Boar Captain--my strategy of using everyone's Force to guarantee they die would mean I'd have to go back to town for every single boar.   Ginnungagap B1F has no shortcuts aside from the one at the very start, but the bridges are pretty much half parts of puzzles, half shortcuts. Given that we now have easy access to here, I head back to town.  Didn't unlock anything at Sitoth. Just bought a bunch of Medica IIs since Ursa's been tanking a lot.   We're nearly done with Ginnungagap B1F--just one more puzzle to go through before the end. Ginnungagap floors tend to be much, much longer than your standard Yggdrasil Labyrinth floor.  I'm skipping pretty much every random encounter because they're all really, really boring. They're either a single Dread Hydra, or some combination of Wereboars and Haggises. Nadia got a level up from one of said unremarkable battles. Another level into Paralysis Arrow, which increases the damage a slight amount.   Encounters like this are kind of a pain, given that you want to kill the Haggises really quickly, but they're positioned in the back row.     Therica As purge all binds from one party member. There's a food at FOEbucks that increases the range to line-target, as well.   I'd like to take this time to comment on how FOE vision works on the map. Notice how we can see a Boar Captain on the map, despite the fact that we haven't entered the room it's in yet. This is because any given map tile is considered "undiscovered" until the player walks within a certain distance of it, with the player's vision field being a 4-tile radius circle around them. Once a tile is within that vision range, it is considered "discovered," and outside of a few specific FOEs later on, will always show where an FOE is and what direction they are facing. This system was introduced in EO4, although actually seeing what tiles would display FOEs and what wouldn't was introduced in EOU.   So we have a couple Boar Captains to deal with in this room. The idea is to lure the boar in this area over to the area in front of us...   But what actually happened was I hosed up and got sandwiched between two Boar Captains.     Good thing Boar Captains are easy fights. Still came pretty close to disaster here; if that other Boar Captain had joined in on the fight, I would've been forced to try to run, since everyone's Force was expended by that point.   Unfortunately, taking that long with the fight poses an issue. The Boar Captain is now one tile behind me, which means I can't close the drawbridge on it.       What follows for a solid two minutes of raw footage is me being an idiot and not understanding how to get out of this situation to proceed.   I finally realize that I just had to let the boar return to its original position before luring it over here, which means we can finally proceed.   So. This boar.   You might think it's as easy as luring it down to this area and bolting for the treasure chest, followed by the door.   Until you remember that drawbridges can only be raised from one side. I probably could've just raised the drawbridge from inside the loop and then made for the door, but the thought didn't occur to me while recording.     Somas restore the entire party's HP for a bit more than a Medica. Very, very useful items, especially if you don't have a Medic, support-oriented War Magus, or Sovereign on hand.   Even with Floor Jump making Ariadne Threads not as ueful in some situations, you still always want to have one on you just in case something like this happens.   Dragonscale Bow is unlocked by selling 1 Bony Scale. It gives +2 ATK compared to the Kagenui, at the cost of lacking the TP and VIT bonuses. No thanks.  Ad campaign results. I didn't start a new one after this because most of the food we have is out of ingredients.   Anyway, beyond the door...   Another door, as well as a drawbridge shortcut. When we approach the door, this happens:   SYSTEM: Check your current status. If you think you are prepared to take on a powerful enemy, then enter with weapons drawn! Well, I just rested up at the inn. Charge!       You might be wondering, shouldn't there be a boss video link here? Well, uh, funny story about that. See, I didn't actually go into the Basilisk fight here expecting to win, so I didn't have audio recording set up. And, not to spoil anything, but after I won, I overwrote the save file I made right before the fight. Whoops. Oh well, a video would be kind of extraneous for this fight, for reasons you'll see shortly.    Basilisk HP: 4320, STR: 19, VIT: 18 Normal attack type: Cut Skills:
A snake-like monster guarding Ginnungagap with its awesome power of petrification. Basilisk is a really annoying boss. It has less HP than Chimaera did, even after the pits, yeah, but Basilisk has an extra annoying thing it'll show off in a few turns that makes it a poo poo-ton more annoying to deal with. Dark Moon is very annoying, as arm binds shut down pretty much every front-row damage dealer class. Impairing Claws is pretty much a roulette: it'll either leave a good portion of your party injured but alive, or leave one or two characters dead. Pound is very dangerous. It already hits quite hard, and is all-target, but the killer part is the high-chance paralysis. I've had quite a few Basilisk attempts in other runs ended when it was so close to dying through Pound paralyzing a majority (or, in a few cases, ALL) of my party. If you're using a Beast, you may want to keep them in the back row so that Doom Breath probably won't hit it--in my experience, Basilisk targets the back row with Doom Breath very rarely. Basilisk's pattern roughly goes as follows: 100% HP to 80%: Attack or Dark Moon. 80% to 50%: Attack, Dark Moon, or Impairing Claws. Prioritizes Impairing Claw after destroying the first Eyes. 50% to 40%: Opens the phase with Doom Breath. Then, Attack and Impairing Claws. Will re-use Doom Breath every 5 to 7 turns or so. 40% to 20%: Attack, Dark Moon, Impairing Claws, Pound, Doom Breath. Doom Breath is used rarely. Begins prioritizing Impairing Claw and Pound over Attack and Dark Moon. 20% to death: Starts using everything pretty equally.  I opt to believe in the RNG being on my side, so I don't enable War Edge Power on Colette yet.  I...don't entirely know why I casted Self-Defense, in retrospect. It's a very minor defense buff at its current level.  Ranger prepares to end games.  Basilisk nulls paralysis and sleep, so Nadia's only disable option is blinding it.  And Milly will open, as usual, with Warrior Song.  Sometimes, the RNG blesses you with the holiest of gifts.     With Colette outputting this much damage, and not having used War Edge Power yet, along with Ranger, the fight should be over pretty soon, right?    And the demolition derby begins.  I'll hold off on Shelter Song, given that Basilisk is blinded. I'll give a minor buff to Ranger's damage, instead.  Around 260 damage or so from Thunder Wave...  Plus that.  And say hi to Basilisk's main gimmick: the Basilisk Eye. [NO IMAGE] Basilisk Eye HP: 680, STR: 0, VIT: 16 Skills:
When Basilisk drops to 80%, and later 40% HP, these things will appear. Kill them immediately, even if you don't have good multi-target damage. Petrification is, for all intents and purposes, death that can be treated with Therica Bs and Refresh--this includes causing the row swap that normally happens when one row dies, and if your party is either all dead, petrified, or some combination of the two, it's game over. You basically have no time to treat the Stone Gleam petrification; even if you get a line-target Refresh or Medical Miracle off, your back line will probably die before you can swap the rows back to normal. If you have a Sovereign, Prevent Order does block petrification, so it can buy you two extra turns to deal with the Eye, or, if your Sovereign is fast enough, basically trap the Eyes in an infinite loop of casting Stone Gleam on a Prevent Ordered row. Beware that the Eye can cast Stone Gleam on the back row, though, and Pound can gently caress up this strategy if it tries to inflict paralysis.  Given that we have Ranger and Nadia, I'm taking a bit of a gamble. I'll have Colette keep hitting Basilisk with Ailing Slash to damage it as much as possible, instead of going for the Eyes.  Ranger will prepare to destroy the Basilisk.  And Nadia'll use Summer Rain to damage the Basilisk and the Eye.   Just short of half of the Eyes' HP, and around 320 damage to Basilisk. Not bad.     The blind on Basilisk wore off, so I have Colette enable War Edge Power.    This is gonna be fun.  And Milly will demonstrate why Troubadors are amazingly broken supports.   Around 400 damage to open Accelerate...  We are up to around 1000 damage from Accelerate now...   And Ranger dealt around 1800 damage in one turn. Accelerate is already really goddamn powerful, but Crusade + other buffs pushes it into "obscenely broken" territory.    Basilisk normally gives me fits in my other EO2U playthroughs, so trashing it in 4 turns gave me a very good feeling, to say the least. I should note, by the way, that Ginnungagap bosses are one-time fights only. You can't ever fight them again after killing them the first time.  SYSTEM: You have successfully defeated the cruel monster known as the Basilisk! ...Catching your breath, you survey the remains of the creature, and determine it to be the beast you were ordered to slay. All that remains is to report your success to the bar, and draw this mission to a close. Before we ditch Ginnungagap, there's two more doors left in this room.  And in this treasure chest: garbage! Wisdom Horns mean that you will always spawn a Grimoire during a Grimoire Chance. You have no control over the skill the Grimoire has, though, which makes the Wisdom Horn pretty much just vendor trash. It sells for a nice amount, at least. And through the other door:  SYSTEM: Perhaps later, once you have taken a new request and it becomes necessary, you may have some interest in exploring further. Yeah, the game just kinda arbitrarily limits us from going further here. Oh well, back to town.      A minor damage boost for Ailing Slash.  A minor debuff increase for Beast Roar. In some ways, Self-Defense is the better skill for reducing the damage your Beast takes, but Beast Roar has the advantage of having Preemptive Roar alongside it, which I'll explain once we get it.  Maxing out Delayed Chase/Blade Recoil would bump the TP cost pretty significantly, so I opt for investing in Freeze Saber instead. For the record, Fafnir's Custom screen is a little special. Any skills that give extra skills while Transformed have the Transform skill to the right of the original.  And a minor boost to Shelter Song. If Ursa's in the party, it's kind of redundant due to Beast Roar, but oh well.  Alright, let's take on those other 6F quests now. Medicinal research: Urban planning: Man down:  I'll talk to the other bar patrons in a bit. Firstly, the quest patron: So this quest has two options, and is the first in a series of reworks of a certain type of quest from EO2. EO2 had a bunch of quests that required you have a guild member of a certain level, or with a certain skill leveled up. Here, the quests either give you the option to dispatch a guild member with very general and low-level requirements (all we need here, I'm pretty sure, is an Alchemist that knows Fire Formula), or do an alternate task--in this case, giving the man a Fire Jar.  I opted for the former. (Look at the bottom right.)     Oh yeah, that East Ward development quest. I already fulfilled it at the start of the update.   Another status ailment weapon. This time it inflicts sleep, and is an axe. ~ w o w ~     Fire Mists considerably reduce Fire damage taken by the party and all enemies. It has a use at the end of the 2nd Stratum.  NOW we talk to the bar patrons. Adventurers in matching gear: Well-informed man: Ostentatious woman: One-eyed gunner (couldn't find an appropriate portrait): I always wonder if the guilds that have members die permanently in the forest just lack Nectars or a sufficiently-advanced Medic. It's not like we have any issues cheating death. Girl in a white sundress: Also, everyone in town has new Cafe dialogue now that we finished all the 1st Stratum recipes. Here's Cass's:  Over to Regina.  I wanted to get Abigail's cafe dialogue, but taking Medicinal research overrides her dialogue. Easy enough. Mint Leaves are pretty common takes from 6F.  Snakeskin Shield is unlocked by selling 1 Stiff Skin. It provides a pretty decent DEF bonus, but also provides 25% resistance to petrification. Which would be nice if petrification ever showed up again before the 4th Stratum.   Marion's cafe dialogue.   Dubois's cafe dialogue.  Hanna's cafe dialogue.  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You know what's a dick move? The game immediately throws you into battle when you open the door. And in every other game, just opening the door puts you in front of the boss but gives you a chance to leave. 
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It varies, which is irritating. Sometimes opening the door is instant fight, and sometimes you get to navigate. Also the music link there is a pro click. Heh...sporalysis.
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Ragnar Homsar posted:
Messed up code. And you left a few stray brackets lying around in the update. Ragnar Homsar posted:
Well having control over game save files would be a useful ability. Maybe.  Hobgoblin2099 posted:You know what's a dick move? The game immediately throws you into battle when you open the door. It varies from game to game. Hilariously enough, in EO3, there's a boss that lets you leave the room anytime if you're taking one path. But if you're on the other path, said boss engages you immediately. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Dec 16, 2015 |
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Dec 16, 2015 03:44
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Dr. Fetus posted:Well having control over game save files would be a useful ability. Maybe. I'm tempted to leave that typo in. Also I found two instances of stray brackets, and edited them out. Are there any others?
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:You know what's a dick move? The game immediately throws you into battle when you open the door. It warns you before you can open the door anyway...
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Supremezero posted:It warns you before you can open the door anyway... Yeah, but all the other games did, too, and what you got was "Behind this door is the dreaded Fenrir, blah blah blah. Go back to town and prepare." -open the door- "Before you lies the dreaded Fenrir. Feel free to go back to town and prepare or face it if you're ready!"
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But why would you go through the door in the first place? Why risk it? While it is inconsistent, the best case scenario is a puzzle that gets reset when you leave the Labyrinth.
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Fetus has a good point, you shouldn't count on Atlus of all groups being merciful to you. (I'm wryly amused that I'm engaging in victim blaming here, thankfully it's just for a video game so eh.)
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Rawkking posted:Fetus has a good point, you shouldn't count on Atlus of all groups being merciful to you. It's Atlus, they're built for Victim Blaming. "Duh, you shouldn't have gone around weak to instant death!"
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Supremezero posted:It's Atlus, they're built for Victim Blaming. Atlus' unfairness is somewhat "fair", though. By that, I mean that the cheapshots they use can be countered. The unfairness is static and can be played around, although you need Contrast from that horror story about that rear end in a top hat GM in a superhero game, who decided to kill a superhero with unconditional immunity to diseases by having the supervillain deploy a disease that bypassed said immunity and had catching the common flu as a cure, thus the hero was immune to the cure, and my mind is breaking from the Klein bottle-shaped reasoning employed there. The latter is abusive, the former is an rear end in a top hat making rigged rules but then sticking to them. Atlus' worst sin is probably the superbosses (digital devil saga, Persona 3 and 4) that kill you no questions asked if you break a "rule" without explaining said rules. It makes thematic for DDS, but Elizabeth and Margaret could have spent 5 minutes describing the rules for their fight.
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Dr. Fetus posted:But why would you go through the door in the first place? Why risk it? While it is inconsistent, the best case scenario is a puzzle that gets reset when you leave the Labyrinth. Because as Hobgoblin pointed out right above your post: Hobgoblin2099 posted:Yeah, but all the other games did, too, and what you got was So why would you think that this one time was radically different from every other time you got close to a boss room? Any other time you'd be able to walk into the room, map it out a bit, look at the boss and moonwalk outta there and back to town if you wanted to.
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RareAcumen posted:Because as Hobgoblin pointed out right above your post: Because it's Atlus.
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Supremezero posted:It's Atlus, they're built for Victim Blaming. To be fair that should be pretty apparent.
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RareAcumen posted:Because as Hobgoblin pointed out right above your post: I mean it's annoying that it's inconsistent, but I'm saying there's not really any benefit for going through early in most cases. Other than maybe getting a slight bit of mapping done. If there's a puzzle for the boss, you have to do the puzzle and boss in one go since the puzzle resets after leaving.
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A one-eyed gunner you say?
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RareAcumen posted:Because as Hobgoblin pointed out right above your post: There are no entries in the series where you have walk time in the boss room for every single boss in the game. If you've played any game in the series before, you'd know this. The only boss that lets you walk around and do stuff consistently in the series, usually for a gimmick, is the first stratum boss. It varies for bosses later on depending on the game but it's not like Basilisk is some rando bullshit outlier. It's a common thing for the series to engage the boss fight right upon entry.
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I mean, just going from the more recent games: EO3: Narmer is the only one where opening the door doesn't lead into the fight. EO4: Berserker King, Boiling Lizard, and Cursed Prince all let you move, while the Hollow Queen and Cradle Guardian engage upon opening. EOU: Fenrir and Iwaoropenelep allow moving, but Cernnunos, Corotrangul, and Etreant engage immediately. EOU2 has a similar mix of instant fight vs time to move around (without spoiling anything, it's five to five). It's notable that those bosses that let you still move are generally the ones with environment gimmicks, while regular boss fights just stick you right into them.
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EO2 is kind of an exception in that there's only one boss (two if you count the post-game) that you engage immediately upon going in. EO2U changed things up though, as EO2 did not have Ginnungagap or the environment puzzles at all. All it really had were those Bell items you could use to move FOEs around, and those got taken out in this game. EO3 had more. There was Gatekeeper (Only on the Armoroad path. If you were on the Deep City path, you engaged it immediately.) And then there was Kirin and Shin. Granted you don't actually get to see them in the room until its time to fight.
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Dr. Fetus posted:EO2 is kind of an exception in that there's only one boss (two if you count the post-game) that you engage immediately upon going in. EO2U changed things up though, as EO2 did not have Ginnungagap or the environment puzzles at all. All it really had were those Bell items you could use to move FOEs around, and those got taken out in this game.  Dr. Fetus posted:EO3 had more. There was Gatekeeper (Only on the Armoroad path. If you were on the Deep City path, you engaged it immediately.) And then there was Kirin and Shin. Granted you don't actually get to see them in the room until its time to fight.
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Dr. Fetus here, I got permission from Ragnar Homsar to do a little thing. I have no idea how far I'm going to get with this since I don't really have the tools Ragnar has to capture screenshots easily. But without any further ado, let's begin. Update 1: The Start of an Untold Tale Video: Opening  I'm gonna be doing a special little playthrough here. There are two kinds of playthroughs you can do. A Classic Mode playthrough, where you can create your own party. But it has less plot. Story mode comes with an expanded story line, but it sticks you with a set party. I'll be covering Story Mode. And of course, I'll be doing it on the one true difficulty. Let's begin. Oh hey, there's Dr. Hoffman! There are usually Trauma Center cameos in most EO games. Dr. Hoffman made a cameo in EO1, but he got taken out of the remake. Good to see that they didn't all get taken out of the remakes. Well? What will our protagonist's name be?
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Archibald.
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I mean, it says right in the title we're the Fafnir, Knight.
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I'll toss in the name I used in the EO2U demo: Guy
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alcharagia posted:I mean, it says right in the title we're the Fafnir, Knight. This makes perfect sense. Besides, the other Fafnir is Ranger, we might as well stick to basic job classes.
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Cookie. And I vote we name our next party member... Flavio? Nah. That's a terrible name. Monster.
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Make it ...Matt? so it seems like no one really bothered to learn your name. It's a shame you can't really do videos of this, since transcribing's gonna be a bitch no matter what.
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Crosspeice posted:It's a shame you can't really do videos of this, since transcribing's gonna be a bitch no matter what. Transcribing stuff, even with raw footage I can skip around in, is already a pain (especially because OCR software reacts badly to EO2U's translucent UI). I can't imagine what it's like with just Miiverse photos.
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Crosspeice posted:Make it ...Matt? so it seems like no one really bothered to learn your name. I'm not doing a full LP of this, or getting much into the gameplay aspects. I'll leave that to Ragnar. I'll just mainly be showing off stuff that's different in Story rather than everything. Like if I don't cover a particular quest or something, just assume it plays out the same way it did in Classic. I'm also only showing off town dialogue and events that are different in Story to save myself effort. I'll do videos of boss fights but uh, don't expect them to be high quality. I'm not doing hybrid because that's getting to be way too herculean, so there are unfortunately gonna be some updates that are maybe pure video or something like that. Yeah, transcribing is gonna be tough. I'm gonna miss having a text dump for this like I did with EO3. That made things so much more convenient.
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Crosspeice posted:Make it ...Matt? so it seems like no one really bothered to learn your name. This.
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BearDrivingTruck posted:Archibald. Seconded. 
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Oh and before I forget, what kind of person do you think our protagonist is? A serious and upstanding person? Or the complete opposite of that?
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Dr. Fetus posted:Oh and before I forget, what kind of person do you think our protagonist is? A serious and upstanding person? Or the complete opposite of that?
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Serious? Pfft. Serious is for losers.
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theshim posted:Knight is an absolute troll who lives to screw with everything up to and including Yggdrasil itself. This
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...Matt? seriously
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Knight is definitely not a serious person because I keep thinking of Knight from Half-Minute Hero (although he's almost comically earnest).
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