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Blows my mind that everyone just naturally gravitated towards Alex Normal spam as how they're all going to get their relics. I mean, the gently caress? So that will get you a relic a couple weeks faster? Has everyone just forgotten what Alex normal is like? Because you'll remember pretty loving fast trying to do it like that, you know. It was a total loving nonstarter for me the second I looked at the guide. My reaction was not "oh no I have to do all this Alex" it was "oh hey I guess I'll be doing roulettes again for awhile". I bet hunts will come back into play on some servers as well. poo poo, I will PvP spam for my law there's a decent entertaining source of it.
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Daniel posted:it's not 800 alex nms for the full thing. It's 620 split 200 on a1 200 on a2 200 on a3 and 20 on a4. That gets you 62 unid items. You then spend all 12400 law tomes you made in the process on 18.2 unidentified seeds because a4 is by far the worst of the alex floors to pug. Have fun! Or, if you do a single Alexander per day (the Casual Schedule), you'll only need nearly two years to finish it.
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Dec 16, 2015 21:35
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Looks like I'll at least have several i190 gear for alts from this!
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Alexander pugs should be better now a bunch of people are working on their relic and by about the 100th time should know what they're doing, whereas before it was otherwise a shitshow of fresh 60s who had no idea what they were doing or how to push the damage button. Still a lot of Alexander though.
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Daniel posted:it's not 800 alex nms for the full thing. It's 620 split 200 on a1 200 on a2 200 on a3 and 20 on a4. That gets you 62 unid items. You then spend all 12400 law tomes you made in the process on 18.2 unidentified seeds because a4 is by far the worst of the alex floors to pug. Have fun! Then you just need to buy $60 worth of Gill from RMTs to pay for all that crafting.
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I foresee a lot of unsynched AK Hard speedruns for poetics in my future.
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Thundarr posted:I foresee a lot of unsynched AK Hard speedruns for poetics in my future. I'm pretty sure you don't get poetics for unsynced runs.
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Having finally read a guide I'll probably still do the first two steps depending on atma drop rate. Being able to level alt classes while fate training doesn't seem so bad. 6 of the dungeons you can just unsync and power through in an hour with a party (only having to equip the relic when you exit is nice), and the last 4 ain't so bad. Then for the last step I'll just chip at it with law/poetics/beasties since I wasn't doing much with them anyways. Maybe by 3.3 I'll be able to afford one for glamors! 
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quote:So as I said, you're part of the problem. Payment is an entry fee, nothing more than that. What you do once you enter is up to you, and your rewards should be based on that, nothing more. quote:There's no point in looking into those "arguments", because they're mostly a load of angst. quote:They're crying about having to grind (in an MMO, the humanity), about doing old content, about not having new content, about how they'd rather new trials, about how SE is recycling content, about SE being lazy, and about not having fun. No new content - a meaningless argument according to king hardcore of the world's easiest mmo.
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Scrublord Prime posted:Having finally read a guide I'll probably still do the first two steps depending on atma drop rate. Being able to level alt classes while fate training doesn't seem so bad. 6 of the dungeons you can just unsync and power through in an hour with a party (only having to equip the relic when you exit is nice), and the last 4 ain't so bad. Then for the last step I'll just chip at it with law/poetics/beasties since I wasn't doing much with them anyways. Maybe by 3.3 I'll be able to afford one for glamors! So how do you get the HQ stuff if you don't have a high-level crafter? Blow a shitload of money on it?
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vOv posted:So how do you get the HQ stuff if you don't have a high-level crafter? Blow a shitload of money on it? Yep, it's like they took all the lovely parts of the entire first relic quest chain and put them all into the first step!
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Burger McAngus posted:I'm pretty sure you don't get poetics for unsynced runs. Well crap, shows how long it's been since I last ran some of that stuff.
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kharaa posted:of course they loving don't Philonius posted:What does your heart tell you? sword_man.gif posted:is this some pretending to be retarded so you can go "ah hah i was only pretending to be retarded" poo poo I was praying for some glimmer of hope with regard to alt relic grinds.
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Dec 16, 2015 22:28
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lmao at that 210 quest. Wonder how the OF Diadem lovers crowd is handling the fact that Diadem gathering is a requirement and not the actual boring part of Diadem.
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Mordiceius posted:I was praying for some glimmer of hope with regard to alt relic grinds. And I was praying that was a quote from the OF. Seriously. *very* readily apparent.
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vOv posted:So how do you get the HQ stuff if you don't have a high-level crafter? Blow a shitload of money on it? Not just high level crafter, high level specialist crafter.
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Speaking of which, does anyone know the difficulty of the new recipes? I've got a few crafters at 60, but haven't gone full hog on gear yet. Given the population of Excaligoons, I'm sure I'll be able to find someone to craft stuff by the time I really need it, but I'd like to be able to help out with others if it's not a giant investment.
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Having thought about this over work, the worst part to me is that they didn't try and mitigate the grind by tying it to poo poo you'd want to do anyway. For example, what if instead of 3 hours a loving day of running Alex, it was 2 months of EX? That'd still suck, but you probably want to do EX roulette anyway, so it'd be a thing you did a long the way. Or if they released this with the Vanu quests, so while leveling your Vanu rep you got credit for this hellgrind. I mean in an ideal world it'd have been actual new, interesting content, but gently caress tying it to things like EX or weekly VA would've been so much better. By putting daily/weekly caps on this poo poo, and tying it into things that are intrinsically good, it doesn't promote as much self inflicted suffering, because all MMO players are masochistic as gently caress.
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Do you have to be the right class/have the relic equipped to get stuff from alex? Because if not, I just got an excuse to get a panther.
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Nipponophile posted:Speaking of which, does anyone know the difficulty of the new recipes? I've got a few crafters at 60, but haven't gone full hog on gear yet. Given the population of Excaligoons, I'm sure I'll be able to find someone to craft stuff by the time I really need it, but I'd like to be able to help out with others if it's not a giant investment. They're just 1 star specialist recipes, so having the basic crafted level 60 crafting set with some melds should suffice for HQing. Edit: This is assuming you're using some HQ ingredients too, it'll be really rough with NQs. Skaw fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Dec 16, 2015 |
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vOv posted:So how do you get the HQ stuff if you don't have a high-level crafter? Blow a shitload of money on it? Each unidentifiable token is at least a week at the speed I play so I have plenty of time to save up a shitload of money to blow on this!  (also hopefully crafters will undercut each other in the weeks/months it'll take to get the base 80 tokens)
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Dec 16, 2015 22:53
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Yes, this is what people will enjoy after 3.0. Alex normal spam. A lot more Alex normal spam. Alex normal is a fun dungeon that people have good memories of, and they will fondly welcome it into their lives again like a long lost friend or family member.
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To be honest, the grind needed to be like 3-4x harder than this.
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Adventure Pigeon posted:Alex normal is a fun dungeon that people have good memories of Yeah, this but unironically. I mean, I don't want to run it eight loving hundred loving times, but it is a fun dungeon.
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I don't understand why they couldn't have broken these 3 steps up, instead of patching them in all late into the 3.0 cycle. 3.05: Atma for i180, or trade Zeta for it 3.1: Thordan EX weapons, i180 relic -> i200 relic 3.15: i200 relic -> i210 relic Something like that would have been a million times better than piling three lovely steps on top of each other.
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the obvious answer is that they were done but had to put finishing touches on pause since they suddenly had to make lord of verminion
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ilifinicus posted:the obvious answer is that they were done but had to put finishing touches on pause since they suddenly had to make lord of verminion Got to love months of dev work going into (admittedly good) mini-games that become a ghost town within a month of release.
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I guess at least there's a multitude of ways to get those tokens for relic. Everyone keeps talking about spamming Alex but you can punctuate that with maps, beast tribes, and currency spending at least. It's still way too goddamn much grind and I'll have no part of it anytime soon. But hey, they gave us a variety of flavors of dogshit to choose from this time!
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People seem to think their hellgrind is far too long to get a weapon equivalent (or better for some) than the weapon that comes from he hardest content in the game. What's an acceptable number? I doubt anyone agrees.
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The ~60-100 hours it'll take someone to grind out their anima weapon is less than or equal to the time it takes or has taken groups to learn and get their first clears of A3S and A4S.
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nuru posted:People seem to think their hellgrind is far too long to get a weapon equivalent (or better for some) than the weapon that comes from he hardest content in the game. Niton posted:I don't understand why they couldn't have broken these 3 steps up, instead of patching them in all late into the 3.0 cycle. If they did this they could have removed the eso weapons all together really.
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nuru posted:People seem to think their hellgrind is far too long to get a weapon equivalent (or better for some) than the weapon that comes from he hardest content in the game. That's why you make it lag slightly behind the best weapons in the game, and you put on some sort of gating mechanism so it'll still take a few weeks before people complete it, but not actual loving weeks in hours played. Sure, you *could* grind fates till your eyes bled to get alexandrites, or you could do an expert a day an occasionally trade in some tomestones. That would have been the proper way of doing it.
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It's probably more that the relic stuff is practically a complete copy of the worst parts of the 2.x relic line, without any sort of chimera or hydra equivalent, and that it was held back two patches for whatever reason despite being a rehash of previous "content" instead of coming out with the expansion. THat, and it's a really uninspired blatent grind coming straight after another bad patch with an already-dead minigame and a terrible excuse for open world content.
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Niton posted:I don't understand why they couldn't have broken these 3 steps up, instead of patching them in all late into the 3.0 cycle. I agree that this would have been nicer pacing. That said, I believe our time machines are all broken so the most the dev team can take away from it is being mindful of pacing issues for future. vOv posted:So how do you get the HQ stuff if you don't have a high-level crafter? Blow a shitload of money on it? You talk to a crafter friend and give them the mats they ask for (HQ where possible), and maybe a tip if they're not that close a friend. While plenty of crafters live in their little omnicrafting silos, and some of them take that to the extent of having crafter alts to personally cover all specializations, plenty of others know other crafters in free companies or linkshells. Because of the whole specialist system, small teams of crafter friends/acquaintances can pretty easily arrange to have all the specialization bases covered. So, for example, a nice general-purpose WVR specialist can hit up their nobly self-sacrificing CUL specialist for whatever almost-never-useful thing CUL specialization is useful for, and said CUL specialist can hit them up in return for sky pirate gear. So, with a bit of legwork chatting with people, you can either find a person with the specialization you need, or find a person who knows a person with that specialization. And for all the words I just wrote about this, it'll probably actually be really easy to find people, so even I am making it sound harder than it'll probably be. The actual cost of mats is, disregarding current market volatility because the recipes just came out, quite reasonable. A dawnborne aethersand (okay, this involves the social networking to extend to gatherers too, but the crafter friends may turn out to double as gatherer friends), a few Diadem gathering mats, and a bunch of common stuff. Desynthesis is not involved and most of us are very thankful for that. I'm sure someone somewhere is grousing though. The recipe difficulty is level 60 1-star, so it requires decent but not bank-breaking gear on the part of the crafters. They don't need to be remotely pimped out. Also bear in mind that you don't need to worry about any of the crafted stuff until you're getting near the end of the main grind. This gives plenty of time for the market to settle down.
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megalodong posted:It's probably more that the relic stuff is practically a complete copy of the worst parts of the 2.x relic line, without any sort of chimera or hydra equivalent, and that it was held back two patches for whatever reason despite being a rehash of previous "content" instead of coming out with the expansion. THat, and it's a really uninspired blatent grind coming straight after another bad patch with an already-dead minigame and a terrible excuse for open world content. It's really the thing that opened my eyes that this is not the ARR I fell in love with. There has been nothing new or interesting since HW came out, everything is just a rehash of older content. That makes sense for a game like Wow, but FFXIV isn't that old, you'd think they could still innovate a bit. I unsubbed today, hopefully they'll fix things and I'll be back eventually.
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The new Hildibrand quests suck because they do not have Hildibrand & are not funny. Hope you like serious anime drama
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SerCypher posted:It's really the thing that opened my eyes that this is not the ARR I fell in love with. There has been nothing new or interesting since HW came out, everything is just a rehash of older content. That makes sense for a game like Wow, but FFXIV isn't that old, you'd think they could still innovate a bit. The fact that you have nostalgia for the original game that is not even a year gone is incredible. If the new stuff is a 'rehash' of older content then it should be exactly the ARR you fell in love with. New relic grind sucks, but I expected a huge time sink so I was sadly not all that surprised. Hopefully they'll nerf it sooner rather than later and make the third step hellquest a bit more sane.
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HiKaizer posted:The fact that you have nostalgia for the original game that is not even a year gone is incredible. If the new stuff is a 'rehash' of older content then it should be exactly the ARR you fell in love with. The problem is they basically just copied everything from 2.1-2.5 and just hosed it up. Relics - Worse Raiding - Worse Dungeons - Less Variety and Worse Trials - Less If they had rehashed everything competently that would be one thing, but they haven't. It's not even the fact that it's a timesink, it's that it's a pointless time-sink. In 2.0 the relic grind was lame, but at each step it was relevant. You could work on a relic and then use it on that cycle of content. By the time most people get this relic, it will be obsolete. What is the point? It's like they completely missed the point of having the relic in the first place (to be used) and just threw it out the door now. Guess it's not worth complaining about now though, I made my choice. Hopefully they'll turn things around and I'll be back.
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