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I am not a book posted:So basically, Sanders campaign doesn't have access to any voter data except the paper copies that their field managers have scattered around their offices. Yea and most importantly they have no way to pool data other than calling Bill The Dude Who's Probably Already Overworked In The Next City and hoping his poo poo is up to date (Spoiler it probably isn't) It's not that huge of a thing, this is gonna be A Thing but the DNC has been very clear this isn't a criminal thing so they just have to endure the audit. It's gonna be a big hit but not much more than, ya know, being massively behind in basically every poll but NH I think?
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He's only down 11 points in Iowa! He's catching on!!!
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Dec 18, 2015 06:49
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The Bernout thread is already in unskewed polls territory anyway, this is just going to pull forward some of the inevitable meltdowns
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Basically yea, the fact that he's down is why this is a fairly bad thing even if the audit goes smoothly. When you're already behind and need to focus on gaining ground, suddenly having the big tool you use to compile data and pool together all your spread apart workers' stuff taken away means gaining ground becomes nearly impossible versus someone who still has access to it. His best case scenario is a triage that ends up with only a couple points shifted. The article was a bit too doom and gloom to act like Bernie might as well pack it in now, but this is something that is a very bad thing to happen to a campaign even in the best situations.
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Dec 18, 2015 06:54
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I am not a book posted:So basically, Sanders campaign doesn't have access to any voter data except the paper copies that their field managers have scattered around their offices. Or finance. And yeah, pretty much. This is loving amazing.
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Dec 18, 2015 06:55
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Luigi Thirty posted:Yes. That is in Good Ol' Michele Bachmans old district. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota%27s_6th_congressional_district People need to read the fuckin' comments on the WCCO webpage. They are amazing.
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Dec 18, 2015 06:56
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I am fully expecting people to pin this campaign data lockout on Clinton's tricky lying ways after Sanders loses. She was feeling the Bern and she used underhanded tricks to stop us!  
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Dec 18, 2015 06:56
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The Bernstoßlegende you might say
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Dec 18, 2015 06:57
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Gail Wynand posted:The Bernout thread is already in unskewed polls territory anyway, this is just going to pull forward some of the inevitable meltdowns It's kinda depressing that people are acting like the campaign saying they didn't use it means the audit will be over fast. Like, it's either some crazy cult of personality posting or people genuinely thinking that an audit works on an honor system.
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Dec 18, 2015 06:58
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Tatum Girlparts posted:It's kinda depressing that people are acting like the campaign saying they didn't use it means the audit will be over fast.
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Dec 18, 2015 07:03
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Gail Wynand posted:Not really all that surprising that people don't understand what an audit is, especially Bernie supporters who lets just say aren't known for their business expertise and acumen An audit is the time where you sweat your rear end off hoping to god that nobody finds anything. It is a long, arduous process, made worse by all the red flags which have a tendancy to repeatedly pop up.
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Dec 18, 2015 07:06
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Dec 18, 2015 07:08
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McDowell posted:Never trust the party. Always trust the party to never pass up a good opportunity to ratfuck another Democrat.
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Not to rain on the Bernie haters parade but the version from a non lovely news org mentions nothing about an 'audit' (and neither does the buzzfeed article tbf)wapo posted:The DNC has told the Sanders campaign that it will not be allowed access to the data again until it provides an explanation as well as assurances that all Clinton data has been destroyed. So at some point in the morning someone will call the DNC, formally blame the dumb subcontractor and pinky promise they deleted everything.
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Dec 18, 2015 07:12
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If this entire thing is solved by someone calling the DNC and saying 'nah it's gone' then no one can ever pretend Bernie wasn't secretly somehow the party favorite because that's not how that works for anyone.
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Dec 18, 2015 07:14
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Tatum Girlparts posted:If this entire thing is solved by someone calling the DNC and saying 'nah it's gone' then no one can ever pretend Bernie wasn't secretly somehow the party favorite because that's not how that works for anyone. Mind sharing your source of how the DNC handles something like this then? E:vvv I dunno if you'll catch it here but I kinda responded to your point in the rsf Bernie thread since we're having the same discussion across 2 threads lol Raskolnikov38 fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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Dec 18, 2015 07:19
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Mind sharing your source of how the DNC handles something like this then? I mean, the entire purpose of an audit is to check the records and files and poo poo to be sure everything's kosher. Wouldn't it be pretty rear end backwards to remove punishment on a pure 'nah, we're good' honor code and THEN do the audit? What would they be auditing, then, if the ethical issue has already been cleared?
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Dec 18, 2015 07:21
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Tatum Girlparts posted:If this entire thing is solved by someone calling the DNC and saying 'nah it's gone' then no one can ever pretend Bernie wasn't secretly somehow the party favorite because that's not how that works for anyone. You get it; I get it; Raskolnikov has never had to deal with the DNC before. gently caress the DNC because gently caress DWS. If you think DWS is going to pass up an opportunity to make herself look good to Hillary, think again. How can the Sanders' campaign prove it deleted the data and made no local backups? It can't, really, so keep that access cut off until the audit is completed just to be safe.
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Dec 18, 2015 07:28
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This stinks of DNC fuckery to me, not that it's really necessary since Bernmentum tanked months ago
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JT Jag posted:This stinks of DNC fuckery to me, not that it's really necessary since Bernmentum tanked months ago Bingo! You can always trust the DNC to never pass up an opportunity to ratfuck another Democrat. It's magical, it feels like christmas came early. And the best part? Sanders' campaign brought this upon themselves.
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Dec 18, 2015 07:30
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I'm not happy agreeing with MIGF but aside from the kinda weird glee he's having to basically tell people there's no Santa he's not wrong that dealing with any political party on the national level is a slow, cumbersome, process that even when you're getting something good takes forever and is constantly shifted off to less and less helpful people. Like, no poo poo Intern Gary isn't gonna be the head of the Sanders Probe but this is a way bigger process than 'yea get me DWS, hey Deb, we're cool. Ok great thanks.'
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Dec 18, 2015 07:31
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JT Jag posted:This stinks of DNC fuckery to me, not that it's really necessary since Bernmentum tanked months ago Eh, NGP VAN is all about merging data so I'd lean incompetence over malice until some better evidence shows up.
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Dec 18, 2015 07:34
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Maybe if Bernie had done anything with his time in congress other than piss off his colleagues he would have gotten this fixed with a phone call before it hit the media Just sayin
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Trabisnikof posted:Eh, NGP VAN is all about merging data so I'd lean incompetence over malice until some better evidence shows up. Oh, don't get me wrong, I fully trust that it was the incompetence of NGP/VAN which allowed this data breech by the Sanders' campaign. Now that its occured, why should DNC drop everything to restore access tomorrow? The party would be meaningless without processes to cover your rear end by going very, very slowly on things.
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Dec 18, 2015 07:40
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Gail Wynand posted:Maybe if Bernie had done anything with his time in congress other than piss off his colleagues he would have gotten this fixed with a phone call before it hit the media So much of a maverick he can't even make an investigation on himself go smoothly! This is good for Berncoin!
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Tatum Girlparts posted:So much of a maverick he can't even make an investigation on himself go smoothly! This is good for Berncoin! It would be really funny if the NGP/VAN audit turns up any previous incidents of data access, especially as the Sanders campaign has admitted to having previous access to other campaigns' data.
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Dec 18, 2015 07:49
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Luigi Thirty posted:Augusta County, VA had to close all its schools tomorrow because of the volume of complaints and threats received after some right-wing rag posted that there was going to be a FORCED CONVERSION TO ISLAM (using the shahada as an example of Arabic calligraphy) at schools there. Saw this earlier, forgot to reply. I know the reaction is over the top, but the way the teacher went about this was really stupid. It wasn't simple calligraphy, it was calligraphy of the Shahada, which by its very definition is testimony, a statement of faith. I'd be upset with that as much as the teacher asking students draw pictures of the stations of the cross while reciting Matthew 6:9. How hard is it to loving just teach the historical context of the world's religions?
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Mr Hootington posted:I just realized that Martin Shkreli could be the next Jordan Belfort. Zero chance. Belfort took advantage of rich people (mostly). Shrekeli took advantage of sick poor people.
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Muscle Tracer posted:apparently glenn beck denounced trump What, did you never imagine Glenn Beck becoming the most handsome man on television?
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Saw this earlier, forgot to reply. It was a geography class, and part of the curriculum required teaching the language and religion of each country that they covered. The teacher wanted to show that Islamic calligraphy was a complicated and important form of art. The overwhelming majority of Islamic calligraphy is religious, just as the overwhelming majority of European Renaissance paintings are religious. This should be about as controversial as discussing the stations of the cross when teaching about the Via Crucis festival in Rome.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:It wasn't simple calligraphy Well, you can't really divorce Arabic calligraphy from Islam any more than you can divorce Gregorian chant from Catholicism. Beyond that, teaching about calligraphy is perfectly sensible in a unit that is trying to teach the art and language associated with a religion, and it also makes plenty of sense to present something as fundamental as the Islamic creed. To be fair, I don't really get why students were asked to reproduce it, because yeah, it's not all that different from making kids recite the Lord's Prayer in a lesson on Christianity. It's not like anyone is going to do a particularly good job, and I'm not sure it gets the point across as well as just showing several ways to represent the same verse.
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If drawing a picture of calligraphy, because seriously they can't loving write it or know what it says, can convert you to Islam in the eyes of those people then they think Islam is basically magic and symbols can control people's minds. That's telling and somehow makes perfect sense.
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:To be fair, I don't really get why students were asked to reproduce it, because yeah, it's not all that different from making kids recite the Lord's Prayer in a lesson on Christianity. It's not like anyone is going to do a particularly good job, and I'm not sure it gets the point across as well as just showing several ways to represent the same verse. Or, just throwing this out there, maybe the teacher thought having the kids do something more fun and involved than just staring at scribbles while being lectured to was better. What I don't understand is did the teacher create this worksheet or just snag it from some workbook?
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Martin Shkreli made other rich people mad. That is why he will be given to us as a sacrificial lamb.
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Trabisnikof posted:Eh, NGP VAN is all about merging data so I'd lean incompetence over malice until some better evidence shows up. It's certainly not the first time they've pushed a bad patch live. Not even this year.
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the_paradigm_shift posted:Or, just throwing this out there, maybe the teacher thought having the kids do something more fun and involved than just staring at scribbles while being lectured to was better. I did the same thing in a religion class in high school. Could have been a different message in Arabic but still come the gently caress on America.
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Xae posted:That is in Good Ol' Michele Bachmans old district. I read the comments. And amazing is not the word I would use. 
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Slaan posted:I read the comments. And amazing is not the word I would use. Then again, there is this gem: Mr. Truth posted:
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Obama's SOTU address is going to be the declaring of the war on vague unease from the piece belowquote:12:05 PM eastern standard time, the Muslims have vanished. Check for yourself if you don’t believe me. Where have they gone to?
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