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theblackw0lf posted:Man I do not like Jeff Weaver. Sanders needs to surround himself with better people. I'm wondering how much autonomy Weaver has in the Sanders campaign and in a situation like this if Sanders made the call on some of these things. Weaver hosed up badly before the previous debate too.
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Mitt Romney posted:I'm wondering how much autonomy Weaver has in the Sanders campaign and in a situation like this if Sanders made the call on some of these things. There is no way he's saying poo poo like 'we're gonna sue the DNC' on his own.
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Dec 18, 2015 19:33
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Logikv9 posted:Did one of the big hot-air radio sources call his beard Islamic, or was it just the Brietbart comment section? Well Michael Savage was freaking out last night calling Ryan "Obama's Beard!" which got a big guffaw out of me but probably not for the reason Savage called him that.
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Trabisnikof posted:Remember, it isn't what you actually do for minorities, it is how ideologically pure your coalition is! Does anyone else want to whitesplain how anti-racism was a core tenet* to the Democrat's ideology and how it was white people who liberated the black communities of America? I'm still waiting for that ridiculous answer. And Wilson was also a huge racist and a sexist. The black community fought and won the Civil Rights Movement. It wasn't "white people suddenly having a change of heart." e: phoneposting Dead Cosmonaut fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Does anyone else want to whitesplain how anti-racism was a core tenant to the Democrat's ideology and how it was white people who liberated the black communities of America? I'm still waiting for that ridiculous answer. it's "tenet" not "tenant" in that context. not taking a side in the discussion, but that mistake drives me nuts
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Dec 18, 2015 19:35
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This is actually a good ideaquote:@ZekeJMiller Would have been a better approach than the press conference they just had.
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Dec 18, 2015 19:36
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Johnson was a huge racist. The Democrats never owned the Civil Rights Movement. They only reacted to it. And therefore laws that prevented white mobs from lynching black politicians didn't matter.
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theblackw0lf posted:This is actually a good idea Yeah but then what's the course of action when everyone else involved goes 'lol no'?
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Does anyone else want to whitesplain how anti-racism was a core tenet* to the Democrat's ideology and how it was white people who liberated the black communities of America? I'm still waiting for that ridiculous answer. "does anyone want to adopt this strawman I'm desperately tilting against? anyone?"
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Oh, today, the day that the school district is closed due to threats about Arabic calligraphy, is the UN's Arabic Language Day. Here's the Pledge of Allegiance in the form of Arabic calligraphy.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Does anyone else want to whitesplain how anti-racism was a core tenet* to the Democrat's ideology and how it was white people who liberated the black communities of America? I'm still waiting for that ridiculous answer. Hell, I heard that Republicans freed the slaves.
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Dec 18, 2015 19:39
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Johnson was a huge racist. The Democrats never owned the Civil Rights Movement. They only reacted to it. Right, wow. Johnson: Huge racist, but instrumental in passing the most racially progressive legislation in American history which has been used as a foundation of minority rights for the last fifty years = terrible person, should not be listened to You: Not at all racist, but completely okay with minorities getting a little bit of a shaft if it gets you the economic justice you want = awesome person, everyone should listen to Sure. Seems fair.
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No one is going to argue that because it's an obviously retarded straw man. However, building coalitions with people neutral on race issues (but very possibly racist in their personal habits) by identifying areas of concerted interests and by engaging potential allies without idiot racial determinism allowed black activists, leaders, and groups to bring the national-level Democrats on board with the seminal Civil Rights legislation. And seriously? *karate chops chest* WILSON WAS RACIST is something I'd expect to see in a Fox Nation comment section.
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Dec 18, 2015 19:41
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zoux posted:Hell, I heard that Republicans freed the slaves. Party of Lincoln!
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theblackw0lf posted:This is actually a good idea DNC suspended access to the campaign that was building lists off insider data. Either Sanders can piss off every other Democrat, or he can give up. Unfortunately, Sanders has never had to experience a true ratfuck up in them hills of Vermont. Well, now he will. No more NGP/VAN nor DNC voter files for Sanders, ever.
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Yeah I'm pretty sure Johnson did that out of the good of his heart and was in no way pressured by an increasingly agitated black community and organizers such as MLK Jr. The Democrats never owned anti-racism and never will. See also: Bill Clinton incarcerating a few million minorities but he totally wasn't a racist because he was a Democrat.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Does anyone else want to whitesplain how anti-racism was a core tenet* to the Democrat's ideology and how it was white people who liberated the black communities of America? I'm still waiting for that ridiculous answer. How ignorant are you? How far back do you want to go? Reconstruction? The Civil Rights Cases? JFK writing to MLK while he was in jail? Black people bought protection from violent white mobs by their blood, and thier sacrificies swaying powerbrokers to have that protection set into the law. Don't ask me, ask John Lewis. Which makes the SupCt recent evisceration of the VRA even more shameful. Dead Cosmonaut posted:Yeah I'm pretty sure Johnson did that out of the good of his heart and was in no way pressured by an increasingly agitated black community and organizers such as MLK Jr.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:The Democrats never owned anti-racism and never will. And you do? You're the guy saying we shouldn't listen to minority activists, we should listen to you instead.
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My Imaginary GF posted:DNC suspended access to the campaign that was building lists off insider data. Either Sanders can piss off every other Democrat, or he can give up. Nah dude I bet they get access restored by eod. No need to ratfuck here
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Yeah I'm pretty sure Johnson did that out of the good of his heart and was in no way pressured by an increasingly agitated black community and organizers such as MLK Jr. I love how the people (leftists) who profess to be about structural analysis and material, social forces in fact just want to see whether or not persons, as individuals, are Good Hearted Moral Folk.
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This guy did the right thing for the wrong reasons. I humbly propose that, instead, we do the wrong things for the right reasons. Also gently caress THAT GUY.
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Logikv9 posted:Hoping that further fallout between Sanders and the DNC doesn't lead to more Sanders supporters not voting straight ticket Dem in the general. Ha, are you kidding? The petulance of Clinton supporters displayed in this thread isn't exactly isolated—with so little effort being made to bridge the gap between the two camps, there's going to be a drat good number of Bernie backers who will refuse to hold their nose. Don't blame us, blame the party establishment for setting up such an incredibly divisive candidate to take the nomination. Queue torrent of contempt for the naive fantasist, because that'll sure make Bernie supporters vote Dem on November 8th.
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Shageletic posted:How ignorant are you? How far back do you want to go? Reconstruction? The Civil Rights Cases? JFK writing to MLK while he was in jail? I wasn't referring to JFK. I was referring to Johnson. He definitely said some bad things about black people (As did Truman and Wilson), but they shouldn't take credit for doing anything beyond being just pragmatic. If anything, what Eisenhower did was more unprecedented since the Civil Rights Movement had yet to kick off. Shageletic posted:Black people bought protection from violent white mobs by their blood, and thier sacrificies swaying powerbrokers to have that protection set into the law. Don't ask me, ask John Lewis. Which makes the SupCt recent evisceration of the VRA even more shameful. Go on. Keep downplaying what the black community fought for and say that it was white people who liberated them. Keep on telling them how you freed them from their shackles. This further reinforces the idea that maybe white people shouldn't be telling black people what to do or how they should feel about racism.
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Anyone who professed to believe that a Bernie victory would be good who fails to show up and vote Democratic in local and state elections is flat out moron to whom I wish eternal ill.
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GalacticAcid posted:Anyone who professed to believe that a Bernie victory would be good who fails to show up and vote Democratic in local and state elections is flat out moron to whom I wish eternal ill. Well you only have yourself to blame, cruelly sneering at their infantile grasp of American politics.
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GalacticAcid posted:I love how the people (leftists) who profess to be about structural analysis and material, social forces in fact just want to see whether or not persons, as individuals, are Good Hearted Moral Folk. I think you are making excellent points but it's a bit disingenuous to paint LBJ as nothing but a racist.
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I don't even know what Dead Cosmonaunt is arguing here, other than venting incoherently like a teenager having dinner with his parents. National political organizations are not unselfish actors? Shocker. They're entities that respond to force and pressure. Which makes the whole last page of arguing about focusing on class issues versus issues important to the minority community entirely silly. Blacks (and to a lesser extent, Hispanics) are the foundation of the modern Democractic Party, to the extent elections can be easily forecast by how many of them live in a particular district. The party will not do anything to lose their edge with that demographic, to the other extent of desperately courting its (imagined or not) influential personalities. Bernie lost a year ago when Clinton sowed up her support with African Americans, after cultivating them for decades.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Ha, are you kidding? The petulance of Clinton supporters displayed in this thread isn't exactly isolated—with so little effort being made to bridge the gap between the two camps, there's going to be a drat good number of Bernie backers who will refuse to hold their nose. Don't blame us, blame the party establishment for setting up such an incredibly divisive candidate to take the nomination. No, I will actually blame you if you choose not to vote Clinton over Cruz/Trump/Bush/etc just because some dumbass Clinton supporters didn't reach out to you enough. If you really care about the issues Sanders supports, the magnitude of difference between an R and D president outweighs any amount of hurt feelings.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:The DNC's handling of the data breach situation has been awful. You can't violate agreements with the DNC and your database vendor and not expect to get a response. Stupidity all around. Like the data director that didn't get the potential risk of telling employees to dive in. And likewise the DNC's flashback to CREEP response. The whole thing is stupid and a great reminder of how little people in politics get tech. At least the Democrats can get their machine working on Election Day.
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GalacticAcid posted:Yeah exactly, as if feminism and class struggle can't mutually reinforce one another.
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Eschers Basement posted:Long story short, poor whites have a long long history in this country of only wanting economic justice if you can prove you're willing to gently caress over minorities, and walking in here saying, "Maybe minorities should be a little more hosed, have we thought of that?" is not going to go well No one here is saying that, don't be lovely. I don't really understand why supporting better economic conditions means not supporting other issues, that's loving stupid.
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Uhquote:@frankthorpNBC
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GalacticAcid posted:Anyone who professed to believe that a Bernie victory would be good who fails to show up and vote Democratic in local and state elections is flat out moron to whom I wish eternal ill. So stop berating them and show them the error of their ways? Not going to get anywhere by putting them on the defensive. I was going to say that I plan to vote D locally, though my governor is a whore for an NFL franchise owner and my senators are milquetoast liberals who've done fuckall throughout their terms. Definitely will come out for my local Congressman, though.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:The DNC's handling of the data breach situation has been awful. Nvm, not chat thread
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Trabisnikof posted:You can't violate agreements with the DNC and your database vendor and not expect to get a response. Stupidity all around. Like the data director that didn't get the potential risk of telling employees to dive in. And likewise the DNC's flashback to CREEP response. If the data breach had been Clinton staffers peering into Sanders lists, do you actually think the Clinton campaign would be locked out? This seems more of a reminder of how little people in tech get politics. Voter lists are absolutely critical to GOTV efforts. It's literally the worst possible thing they could have done. quote:No, I will actually blame you if you choose not to vote Clinton over Cruz/Trump/Bush/etc just because some dumbass Clinton supporters didn't reach out to you enough. If you really care about the issues Sanders supports, the magnitude of difference between an R and D president outweighs any amount of hurt feelings.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:I wasn't referring to JFK. I was referring to Johnson. He definitely said some bad things about black people (As did Truman and Wilson), but they shouldn't take credit for doing anything beyond being just pragmatic. If anything, what Eisenhower did was more unprecedented since the Civil Rights Movement had yet to kick off. So Truman de-segregating the armed forces was nothing and ignorable and was pragmatic (even though you've just said the Civil Rights Movement had yet to kick off). The 1948 civil rights plank of the Democratic National Convention, which caused the Mississippi and Alabama delegates to walk out, was just a calculated reaction to a Civil Rights Movement (which you say had yet to kick off). The fact that Truman emphasized Civil Rights in his campaign so much it caused a party break which everyone assumed would doom his candidacy, well, that was a calculated reaction to a Civil Rights Movement (which you say had yet to kick off). But Truman used the N-word and had been a Klan member when he was young, so off to the guillotine.
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Shageletic posted:I don't even know what Dead Cosmonaunt is arguing here, other than venting incoherently like a teenager having dinner with his parents. I am just begging the question about the anti-racist credentials of the Democratic Party when they seem keen electing an individual from the most protected class of people this country has ever produced. It's great to have minorities in your party. Now vote with them- not for them.
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